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Post by Libby on Apr 17, 2012 20:25:21 GMT
Wow, you sure our a pessimist, Steve. I can't believe that Hayley hated being in the US last year. Do you think she hated singing in honor of Michelle Baugh and her father? Is that why she asked Michelle to take her to visit the Vietnam War memorial wall? Is that why she got very emotional singing Pie Jesu for them? When Hayley is in the US, is she suddenly not happy to see her fans? I have a hard time believing that if Hayley does miraculously get to do a concert or 2 here, and I go, she will suddenly turn into a diva and not want anything to do with her fans.  THAT is not the Hayley we know at all. Steve, you are going by just one thing. She probably was jetlagged and wanted to get back to her hotel because she had to catch a plane the next morning (or possibly even that night?). It irks me that you take that one incident to mean that Hayley dislikes being here. Hayley is normally gracious to all her fans, but if she's being bombarded, and she's in a hurry, or just tired, then it's understandable. I can't believe that the mere fact that she's in the United States has some magic effect on her that makes her turn into someone so unlike herself. I just don't buy it, Steve. You have seen Hayley sing, even met her, and you're still unhappy? I can't believe that. You don't know how thrilled I would have been to hear her sing one song in person. That's one thing I may never get to do. I'm thankful she had that one appearance here, even if I didn't get to go. She was on national TV, for goodness' sake! That hadn't happened in nearly 3 years! And then she was on again just a few months later for the Rugby World Cup! How lucky can we get, seriously? Oh, and by the way, when Michelle and Hayley discovered each other on Twitter, Hayley had only nice things to say about her time there, and meeting her and her family, and her father's friend. Unfortunately, it would take forever to find those tweets again, but I remember it distinctly. Partly because I was the one who found Michelle's twitter and tweeted it to Hayley! So just try to tell me Hayley disliked the whole experience! You too, Martin!  |
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Post by Libby on Apr 17, 2012 20:38:46 GMT
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Post by martindn on Apr 17, 2012 21:17:36 GMT
I don't think her "disgruntlement" if such it was had anything to do with the occasion, her support for the troops, or her fans. She was clearly very interested and supportive when it came the the actual Memorial Day.
I think it DID have something to do with the music, the artistic side of things. Would she have preferred a different song, or perhaps she felt under rehearsed (like on the previous trip, where she performed Shanandoah with a choir who were singing different words to Hayley), and to be honest when I listen to that Pie Jesu performance, I'm not too impressed with the sound either. I'm sure it was something like that, and being jetlagged won't have helped either.
I don't think either of those performances were anywhere near showing Hayley at her best.
Martin D
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Post by chungchunglee on Apr 18, 2012 3:08:13 GMT
Hi ! Guys !!!  Well , Regadring THIS "American" thing , I just wanna add in some of my personal obervation . "The American Audience" , from my personal POV , loves to "Look at a performer, esp. a performer from another country , through the Perspective of Stereo-Types & Pre-Assumed Labelings" . The General Rule is , if you dun fit into those stereotypes , THEY basically just "Deduct your Marks" . e.g. when they look at a performer from China , all THEY see is Chinese Ku Fung . when they look at a performer from Russia , all THEY see is The Circus . when they look at a performer from Argentina , all THEY see is "Tango Dance" . when they look at a performer from France , all THEY see is "Chanson" or "Edith Piaf" . when they look at a performer from Cuba / Brazil , all they see is "Bossa Nova" or "Samba" ........... when they look at a performer from New Zealand , all THEY see ......... or all THEY want to see , probably would be a "Whale Rider" or a "Dolphin Whisperer singing the Oceanic Songs for the Dolphins" ............... THEY only want to look at "The Performance" in the "WAY" THEY wanna see it . I remembered that , even in the Old Days , THEY only see Vivien Leigh as "Lady Scarlet O'Hara" ............ & Nothing else , or Almost Nothing Else . THIS type of "Treatment" is ESPECIALLY evident in the way they look at a FEMALE artist . In this way , our Princess of Light might have , in their All-American Eyes , "Walked on the Wrong Step" & "Not fitting into their pre-Assumed perspective" of a Kiwi SHOULD be , or SHOULD appear to be in front of them . & therefore , Hayley failed to gain their affection . Kind of "Sad" , right  But then , At the End of the Day , WE all know that THE REST of the World LOVE her & WE are all Crazily in love with her  .......... & SHE is very happy & satisfied about all that . It really DOES NOT matter , at least to me , imho , that she has NOT been able to conquer the American Market . Beyond the National Boundary of the USA , there live many , many people with Good Taste too . & after all , THE WORLD is so much Bigger than THAT . & Our Girl is so MUCH Bigger than THAT . & even if , at THIS moment , she is NOT big in the States , so WHAT ?She is still very young , or relatively YOUNG . Things change , guys ! & therefore , all I just wanna conclude is , no need to fuss & no need to be "DIS-heartened" . Just keep it "Positive" . Her TIME will come . and All'd be Safe . All'd be Sound . |
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Post by comet on Apr 18, 2012 3:26:48 GMT
Hi ! Guys !!! & even if , at THIS moment , she is NOT big in the States , so WHAT ?She is still very young , or relatively YOUNG . Things change , guys ! & therefore , all I just wanna conclude is , no need to fuss & no need to be "https://i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifIS-heartened" . Just keep it "Positive" . Her TIME will come . and All'd be Safe . All'd be Sound . Hear, Hear. People with a taste for our kind of music will come across Hayley eventually. Computers have made the world market of music accessible for almost everyone. |
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Post by tireman on Apr 18, 2012 3:47:27 GMT
Hi ! Guys !!! & even if , at THIS moment , she is NOT big in the States , so WHAT ?She is still very young , or relatively YOUNG . Things change , guys ! & therefore , all I just wanna conclude is , no need to fuss & no need to be "https://i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifIS-heartened" . Just keep it "Positive" . Her TIME will come . and All'd be Safe . All'd be Sound . Hear, Hear. People with a taste for our kind of music will come across Hayley eventually. Computers have made the world market of music accessible for almost everyone. I think some of us are putting an unnecessary amount of pressure on Hayley (if she reads this website) to make it in the states. As much as I'd like to see it happen I will remain a fan regardless. Except for the money I'm not so sure that the states would be good for Hayley. Larry |
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Post by tireman on Apr 18, 2012 4:06:39 GMT
Hi ! Guys !!! Well , Regadring THIS "American" thing , I just wanna add in some of my personal obervation . "The American Audience" , from my personal POV , loves to "Look at a performer, esp. a performer from another country , through the Perspective of Stereo-Types & Pre-Assumed Labelings" . The General Rule is , if you dun fit into those stereotypes , THEY basically just "https://i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifeduct your Marks" . e.g. when they look at a performer from China , all THEY see is Chinese Ku Fung . when they look at a performer from Russia , all THEY see is The Circus . when they look at a performer from Argentina , all THEY see is "Tango Dance" . when they look at a performer from France , all THEY see is "Chanson" or "Edith Piaf" . when they look at a performer from Cuba / Brazil , all they see is "Bossa Nova" or "Samba" ........... when they look at a performer from New Zealand , all THEY see ......... or all THEY want to see , probably would be a "Whale Rider" or a "https://i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifolphin Whisperer singing the Oceanic Songs for the Dolphins" ............... THEY only want to look at "The Performance" in the "WAY" THEY wanna see it . I remembered that , even in the Old Days , THEY only see Vivien Leigh as "Lady Scarlet O'Hara" ............ & Nothing else , or Almost Nothing Else . THIS type of "Treatment" is ESPECIALLY evident in the way they look at a FEMALE artist . In this way , our Princess of Light might have , in their All-American Eyes , "Walked on the Wrong Step" & "Not fitting into their pre-Assumed perspective" of a Kiwi SHOULD be , or SHOULD appear to be in front of them . & therefore , Hayley failed to gain their affection . Kind of "Sad" , right But then , At the End of the Day , WE all know that THE REST of the World LOVE her & WE are all Crazily in love with her .......... & SHE is very happy & satisfied about all that . It really DOES NOT matter , at least to me , imho , that she has NOT been able to conquer the American Market . Beyond the National Boundary of the USA , there live many , many people with Good Taste too . & after all , THE WORLD is so much Bigger than THAT . & Our Girl is so MUCH Bigger than THAT . & even if , at THIS moment , she is NOT big in the States , so WHAT ?She is still very young , or relatively YOUNG . Things change , guys ! & therefore , all I just wanna conclude is , no need to fuss & no need to be "https://i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifIS-heartened" . Just keep it "Positive" . Her TIME will come . and All'd be Safe . All'd be Sound . I must take issue with your remarks. I assume your opinions are due to the fact that you haven't spent any, or much time in the states. But I assure you that we are not that way. Larry |
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Post by tireman on Apr 18, 2012 4:29:09 GMT
I don't think her "https://i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifisgruntlement" if such it was had anything to do with the occasion, her support for the troops, or her fans. She was clearly very interested and supportive when it came the the actual Memorial Day. I think it DID have something to do with the music, the artistic side of things. Would she have preferred a different song, or perhaps she felt under rehearsed (like on the previous trip, where she performed Shanandoah with a choir who were singing different words to Hayley), and to be honest when I listen to that Pie Jesu performance, I'm not too impressed with the sound either. I'm sure it was something like that, and being jetlagged won't have helped either. I don't think either of those performances were anywhere near showing Hayley at her best. Martin D I think Hayley was nevous and emotioninal when she sang Pie Jesu. Well after whom she had to follow I would have been also. Larry |
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Post by chungchunglee on Apr 18, 2012 5:09:38 GMT
"" ..........I must take issue with your remarks. I assume your opinions are due to the fact that you haven't spent any, or much time in the states. But I assure you that we are not that way......... "" Hello ! Larry !  Well , what can I say ............ Maybe I focused too much on that type of "HollyWood Show-Biz" way of interpretation , 'cause after all , HOWEVER gracious , decent & angelical Hayley is , as a person , "Technically" , "technically" , by her occupation , she is INDEED , working in the "Show-Biz" Industry. but ANYWAY , THOSE are just "My personal opinion" , so ........... just feel free to leave it to that "Agree to Disagree" thing . Regards |
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Post by Libby on Apr 19, 2012 2:35:02 GMT
ChungChung, before I was a fan of Hayley, I really had no pre-conceptions about singers from New Zealand at all. I hardly knew anything about the country at all except that it was near Australia. Actually, there was one singer from NZ I was familiar with, a member of the Christian group, the Newsboys, by the name of Phil Joel. He actually was my favorite band member. Loved his accent, and he seemed to be one of the funnier guys. Unfortunately, he's no longer in the group. But anyway, other than Hayley and Phil, I had no idea what a NZ singer should sound like. I actually have never had any of those thoughts about singers from the other countries you mention, either! In fact, I've only become familiar with Edith Piaf recently. And all I know is La Vie en Rose! |
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Post by stevemacdonald on Apr 19, 2012 7:05:01 GMT
...e.g. when they look at a performer from China , all THEY see is Chinese Ku Fung . when they look at a performer from Russia , all THEY see is The Circus . when they look at a performer from Argentina , all THEY see is "Tango Dance" . when they look at a performer from France , all THEY see is "Chanson" or "Edith Piaf" . when they look at a performer from Cuba / Brazil , all they see is "Bossa Nova" or "Samba" ........... when they look at a performer from New Zealand , all THEY see ......... or all THEY want to see , probably would be a "Whale Rider" or a "https://i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifolphin Whisperer singing the Oceanic Songs for the Dolphins" ... I'm sorry, ChungChung, but this perception is about 50 years out-of-date. Right now there are thousands upon thousands of people from China, Russia, Argentina, France, Cuba, Brazil & New Zealand living in America, participating in and redefining our culture. In New York City alone there are over 40 different languages spoken on the streets, including Whale Rider's Maori. Hayley will break the states someday in the form of a great movie song that catapults her to full recognition the way "My Heart Will Go On" made Celine Dion a household name. That day will come when she will be a superstar beyond our wildest imagining. They're making more movies now that can use Hayley's voice in a big way. It's just a matter of time. |
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Post by chungchunglee on Apr 19, 2012 7:41:04 GMT
ChungChung, before I was a fan of Hayley, I really had no pre-conceptions about singers from New Zealand at all. I hardly knew anything about the country at all except that it was near Australia. Actually, there was one singer from NZ I was familiar with, a member of the Christian group, the Newsboys, by the name of Phil Joel. He actually was my favorite band member. Loved his accent, and he seemed to be one of the funnier guys. Unfortunately, he's no longer in the group. But anyway, other than Hayley and Phil, I had no idea what a NZ singer should sound like. I actually have never had any of those thoughts about singers from the other countries you mention, either! In fact, I've only become familiar with Edith Piaf recently. And all I know is La Vie en Rose! Hello ! Libby !!! What U've just said , SOMEHOW , has led me to re-think & re-Read what I've said previously : "" ............. As far as I know , "the States" is a market that .......... BASICALLY does NOT welcome ANYONE who is considered to be "Outside of it" ........ ........... I guess .......... I can only speak for my own personal "Entitled" opinion , maybe if ever Hayley were willing to get herself associated with David Foster , the Hitman , & kind of create some sorts of "Buzz" so as to Get herself BACK onto the "AMERICAN" spotlight in a very "All-American" kind of fashion , e.g. cheesy Charlie's Angels' Style.........."" Well , my personal obervation & my personal opinion are that , regarding the "Music Industry" in itself , American ppl INDEED do seem to consider that , "Their Own Market" , would be "GOOD enough" , or "More than GOOD enough" for them .  "Our Own Market's Products are the BEST." The REST of the World seems to be "Oh-so-negligible" . ( All right Guys ! No Political Sentiments Intended ! ) Just like what U've mentioned , you have NO ideas about "Those Other Singers" that are originating from somewhere "Outside of the USA market" ........... ............ Or maybe , MAYBE , Unless Other-Wise , Under the Circumstance that , "Those Other Singers" have been working for over 30 years on the World Stage or shall we say , those "Veteran Virtuoso Super-Stars of the World , cherished by all of Human-Kind" , such as Nana Mouskouri (Greek) , Sarah Brightman (English) , Julio Iglesias (Spain) , or The Vienna Boys' Choir (Austrian National Treasure) etc. etc. Only then , only then that "They" would be taken seriously by the American Market . & ........... Another point that I wanna mention is that , I have always noticed that, in the States , the Music Industry is usually very much "Inter-Mingled" with the "Holly-Wood Movie" Industry & also that All-American "Teen Pop Culture" thing , which , basically cast a World-Wide Cultural Influence , both Inside & Outside America , affecting how people view the World & how they perceived the products of artistic creations . & that's why I have also , previously mentioned that , Hayley "REFUSING" to "Change herself to a certain degree" so as to "Fit into the Stereo-Type & Adapt to the market Demand of the USA market" might just have hindered her progress & her establishment "As an artist" in the US market . Girl ! The FORMULA & the STRUCTURE are all right there for you ! But you've refused to take it ..............  However, even from my personal POV , I have to say that I myself ADMIRE her for having some guts about that sorts of things . Our Princess of Light basically has , "Refused to be a Sell-out to the American market" . (Taking a look at Katherine Jenkins getting herself associated with David Foster . No Disrespect to Katherine though !  well .......... sorry that I've gotten a bit too much & too long-winded with this "Ranting" . Must stop myself ! Forgive me .......... And please feel free to add in your opinions ! Best Regards ! |
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Post by chungchunglee on Apr 19, 2012 7:53:41 GMT
...e.g. when they look at a performer from China , all THEY see is Chinese Ku Fung . when they look at a performer from Russia , all THEY see is The Circus . when they look at a performer from Argentina , all THEY see is "Tango Dance" . when they look at a performer from France , all THEY see is "Chanson" or "Edith Piaf" . when they look at a performer from Cuba / Brazil , all they see is "Bossa Nova" or "Samba" ........... when they look at a performer from New Zealand , all THEY see ......... or all THEY want to see , probably would be a "Whale Rider" or a "https://i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifolphin Whisperer singing the Oceanic Songs for the Dolphins" ... I'm sorry, ChungChung, but this perception is about 50 years out-of-date. Right now there are thousands upon thousands of people from China, Russia, Argentina, France, Cuba, Brazil & New Zealand living in America, participating in and redefining our culture. In New York City alone there are over 40 different languages spoken on the streets, including Whale Rider's Maori. Hayley will break the states someday in the form of a great movie song that catapults her to full recognition the way "My Heart Will Go On" made Celine Dion a household name. That day will come when she will be a superstar beyond our wildest imagining. They're making more movies now that can use Hayley's voice in a big way. It's just a matter of time. I have to say that I agree with you for the most parts . My only reservations , would be the "Spatial Difference" factor . I have to take into account the FACT that geographically , the East Coast of the USA , particularly the Boston-NYC Metropolitan areas , are actually, the MOST sophisticated & the MOST internationalized areas , not JUST in the US , but probably the Whole World . I just can't speak for the "Interior Mid-West" or the "South" , although . that's all . |
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Post by Libby on Apr 20, 2012 6:01:18 GMT
Chung, Seattle is pretty diverse too, many nationalities.
The reason I had, still don't have, those pre-conceptions about singers from certain countries is because... well, I've never really thought about it before! I absolutely nothing to go by. What am I supposed to imagine? I'm still fairly young, and I wasn't even quite 20 yet when I first heard of Hayley. And, several years younger when I began to like the Newsboys, who had Australian, Kiwi, and American members.
Singers are singers. I'm aware that there are singers all over the world of many different genres, including the genres we see here in the US. So really, what other difference would I imagine other than the language they sing in?
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Post by chungchunglee on Apr 20, 2012 8:04:44 GMT
Chung, Seattle is pretty diverse too, many nationalities. The reason I had, still don't have, those pre-conceptions about singers from certain countries is because... well, I've never really thought about it before! I absolutely nothing to go by. What am I supposed to imagine? I'm still fairly young, and I wasn't even quite 20 yet when I first heard of Hayley. And, several years younger when I began to like the Newsboys, who had Australian, Kiwi, and American members. Singers are singers. I'm aware that there are singers all over the world of many different genres, including the genres we see here in the US. So really, what other difference would I imagine other than the language they sing in? ~~~Singers are singers. I'm aware that there are singers all over the world of many different genres, including the genres we see here in the US. So really, what other difference would I imagine other than the language they sing in? ~~~ Yeah ! "Singers are JUST singers" They are just mere human beings who have the job to "Interpret & Illuminate the Works of the Composers . .............but "Music is **NOT JUST** music." So , WHAT other difference would you imagine other than the language they sing in ? Oh ! God Help me ! I myself dun quite know the answer to that either ............. but maybe you can say THIS , Other than the LANGUAGE , the MUSIC of a certain country DOES reflect its culture , its history , its own "Many Different Facets of THEIR own countrymen , their own Life Experience & their Stories .........." From the "Micro-Perspective of a certain singer" , you basically can get to see or just get a tiny glimpse of that "Macro-Perspective" of Citizens & Countries , Families & Friends , Dislocations & Re-Unions ........... or even War & Peace of a certain region in the World ........... but I guess , THIS "USA market" issue is truly getting a bit Tedious , I suppose ............ & I fancy that , even Hayley herself , our Princess of Light would NOT want to see her loyal & dedicated fans having THIS "Arguing & Bickering" about such things . Ultimately , as long as she is happy with what she's doing & We are happy that SHE is still here producing "The Sound of Heaven" for us , then I guess , in my opinion , we can just all "Save the Trouble." . Best Regards |
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THAT is not the Hayley we know at all. Steve, you are going by just one thing. She probably was jetlagged and wanted to get back to her hotel because she had to catch a plane the next morning (or possibly even that night?). It irks me that you take that one incident to mean that Hayley dislikes being here. Hayley is normally gracious to all her fans, but if she's being bombarded, and she's in a hurry, or just tired, then it's understandable. I can't believe that the mere fact that she's in the United States has some magic effect on her that makes her turn into someone so unlike herself. I just don't buy it, Steve. 
"Our Own Market's Products are the BEST." 