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Post by Dave on Apr 12, 2012 19:56:49 GMT
Getting back to the original question. Hayley first appeared in the States in 2004, almost 8 years ago. In 2002, at Carnegie Hall (with Russell Watson), so ten years this year. And I'm not 100% certain that Carnegie was her first time there! Cheers, Dave |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 13, 2012 2:44:49 GMT
You are truly indefatigable, Libby!  |
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Post by gordie on Apr 13, 2012 5:36:45 GMT
Libby...I again agree with your notion that Haley should sing on DWTS as should other CC singers. Haley also has the good looks and youth to perform as a contestant just like KJ. I still harbour the notion that the US music industry has atttempted to eliminate the Classical Crossover genre. It is only through established stars like Haley, Sarah B, Andrea B, and many new artists that are on the fringe of CC that stubornly keep this genre alive and kicking.
Newcomers such as Josh Page, Chris Dallo, Jackie Evancho, are slowly attracting a younger group of fans which is sooo very encouraging.
We CC fans must continue to push and promote our genre of choice and make it an option to the world's new listeners.
Over the past few months I have been greatly pleased to hear so many devout fans of one CC artist or another willing to listen and honestly appreciate the talents of other CC artists.
That in itself is very encouraging. I Believe, I Believe, I truly Believe that CC will come back with a vengence.
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Post by fusilier23 on Apr 13, 2012 11:26:03 GMT
I had completely forgotten the Carnegie Hall appearance where she supported RW, probably because she really wasn't well-known at all here then and it was a one-time thing - 2004 was her first series of several US appearances, promoting Pure. She had at least been in the States sometime before then, though I'm not sure it was to perform, since she herself said during a discussion after one of the 2004 shows that she had been to Hawaii sometime before 2010. I think, I say I think, though, that Joe's Pub 2004 was her first public solo appearance in the US (not supporting someone else). My original point still stands, though - she's been coming here for some time, and "breaking" has yet to happen.
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Post by stevemacdonald on Apr 14, 2012 0:36:12 GMT
...Haley.....Haley.....Haley Once again, it's Hayley.  As for her first US appearances, click here: Hailee Wesstonruh. |
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Post by Libby on Apr 14, 2012 1:41:41 GMT
Elliot, I had to look that one up. i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif Who knows if my letter will do much good, though, since the address is for getting autographs. I did ask that they pass my letter on to the appropriate people, if possible, so hopefully it'll do some good. If she's not on this season, and if I don't get a response telling me not to write to them about such matters, then I'll write again in the fall. I wouldn't think they'd bother responding at all, though, in that case. In fact, I don't expect any response at all... Unless... since I mentioned the dancer who did Dark Waltz with Brandy, and Katherine Jenkins, maybe they'll send me an autograph from one of them! Not that I'm very interested in one from either of them. Hayley singing on the show would be a hundred times more exciting to me than that! Besides singing for the Hobbit, I think singing on DWTS is one of the biggest, most plausible things she could do to get noticed here in the US. A lot of people watch that show. The Hobbit would be bigger though, since people all over the world would see that and buy the soundtrack. Except, I think much of the audience for DWTS is probably female, in which case guys like Josh and David Garrett probably have a better chance of success from it than Katherine or Hayley would (if KJ wasn't dancing on the show). But, I think a lot of guys probably watch, too, if only for the skimpy outfits. Hopefully some guys with class watch, too, though.  Steve, LOL.  |
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Post by inga on Apr 14, 2012 6:37:55 GMT
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Post by Elliot Kane on Apr 14, 2012 10:12:53 GMT
Libby,
Just from the trailer it's obvious that The Hobbit is going to be musically epic as well as cinematically epic, I think. Being on that soundtrack would surely be a dream come true for any artist. I hope Hayley can get on it.
As for the letters, who knows? At the very least, though, they cannot hurt.
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Post by Libby on Apr 15, 2012 4:29:05 GMT
Inga, my point was simply that David's appearance on DWTS was a great way to give him more exposure here in the US. Whether he wants the attention or not, things like that will definitely help him. Did he not just do a tour here? I missed it, but I had no one to go with, otherwise, I might've tried to go. I don't have any of his CDs, though. I just respect his talent and his merging of crossover and rock. In addition to the DWTS letter, I had to send another one to Peter Jackson. My initial letter back in 2009 got a positive response. I wrote another letter last fall because, 1. It had been a while since I wrote, and 2. in the last 2 years, I felt that there were more things to be said regarding Hayley being the best choice for the soundtrack, i.e., her work with Ennio Morricone. I used some of his quotes about her voice, in particular the part about her interpretation of the emotion, or whatever he said. I used that quote to make my point about why her vocals would be ideal to be used within the movie, as well as the theme song. I also suggested that Hayley could write lyrics to any songs she might sing, too, because she's a very good songwriter. Enya wrote lyrics and composed the music to both her songs, so that's why I thought of it. However, I received a slightly discouraging reply from his staff almost 6 months later. She said there was "already a composer attached" to the film. At first, I felt very discouraged about it, but then, I decided I had to write back to clarify. Her statement made absolutely no sense. I wasn't asking that Hayley compose the soundtrack, and I even mentioned the composer, Howard Shore, in my letter. I think somebody must have misunderstood. If they had read my whole letter through, they would know that I didn't mean for Hayley to be the composer! If she had meant to say that there was already a singer for the films.. both films!... then you'd think she would say "singer" or "vocalist", not "composer". If you can go by each of the LOTR soundtracks, you wouldn't think there'd be only 1 singer for each film, let alone both! Her response made me wonder if PJ had even seen the letter at all. I'm sure he's extremely busy, of course. I wonder if I'll get a response this time. I just hope it's not another 6 months before they see it this time, otherwise, it'll be too late. At least for the first movie. Oh well, hopefully it was just a misunderstanding, and Hayley will sing for both movies! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif Riiighht...  Some of these things have to happen one of these days, they just have to... |
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Post by inga on Apr 15, 2012 5:49:54 GMT
Inga, my point was simply that David's appearance on DWTS was a great way to give him more exposure here in the US. Whether he wants the attention or not, things like that will definitely help him. Did he not just do a tour here? I missed it, but I had no one to go with, otherwise, I might've tried to go. I don't have any of his CDs, though. I just respect his talent and his merging of crossover and rock. They both started about the same time with Decca. Yes he has toured in the US, but most of the time in Europe. He don't wants to break the States at any price. My point was having success in Europe is good enough, why breaking the States? |
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Post by Libby on Apr 16, 2012 4:37:46 GMT
Well, why not? If he doesn't want to "break the states", why does he bother coming at all? If Europe is good enough, then why does he come here? Is Decca forcing him against his will? Does he not want to be successful, or something? Does he want to be like Enya, and record music, but hide in a castle and never tour? LOL How do you know what he wants, anyway, are you his spokeswoman? One tour can't hurt, and he's hardly "breaking" the states just by one tour. To me, the fact that he was able to tour here at all, even if not a big tour, seems like breaking it to me. He wasn't supporting anybody, was he? That's more than Hayley's ever done. I'd be ecstatic if Hayley could do what David has just been able to do here recently. I think Hayley would like to break the states if she could, but she doesn't kid herself about it either. Which is extremely unfortunate for us. |
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Post by tireman on Apr 16, 2012 15:16:07 GMT
I wish Hayley and other world wide artists could break the States. We need the money.
Larry
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Post by chungchunglee on Apr 16, 2012 19:08:06 GMT
Hi ! Guys !!! I noticed THIS particualr topic & I just somehow felt compelled to "Just say something about IT" . Forgive me if I came across as a bit too "Blunt & Forward" ..........  As far as I know , "the States" is a market that .......... BASICALLY does NOT welcome ANYONE who is considered to be "Outside of it" . & I also remember that , back then , the Music Genre of Classical Crossover was NOT that significant or at least NOT considered to be "A Big Deal" in those days , ie. between 2004 to 2006 . That's probably WHY , back in 2004 , when Decca tried to push "Pure" into the American market , the result had been FAR FROM satisfactory . I guess , after THAT so-called defeat , things seemed to be "Going on the wrong foot" for our Kiwi Nightingale as far as the American market is concerned . But then again , Hayley has , since then , been in HUGE demand & has become a sensation that is very MUCH Admired & sought after EVERYWHERE else on this Planet & therefore , maybe I shall say that ........... it just boiled down to the 2 major factors of "Timing" & "that Annoying INERTIA factor of the American market" . With THIS being said , I guess .......... I can only speak for my own personal "Entitled" opinion , maybe if ever Hayley were willing to get herself associated with David Foster , the Hitman , & kind of create some sorts of "Buzz" so as to Get herself BACK onto the "AMERICAN" spotlight in a very "All-American" kind of fashion , e.g. cheesy Charlie's Angels' Style , or Drama Queen "Tyra Banks Style" , THEN there might just become a "Fix-it-ALL" solution for Hayley . Ummm ........... Thinking about it , THAT does NOT sound very Classy , right  Our Princess of Light has gotten sooooooo much more class than THAT . So ............ anyway , just my 2 cents regarding THIS American "thing" . Thank you !  |
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Post by martindn on Apr 16, 2012 19:41:14 GMT
Yes, you are right, it doesn't sound at all classy or at all Hayley. I'm going to be equally blunt.
Hayley has often said one of her mottos is "Be true to yourself". That is what she does. You either like her that way or you don't. If breaking the states means compromising that principle, I'm sure she would prefer not to do it.
I got the feeling that in her last two appearances in the states, in Washington DC, she was somehow not happy with what she was doing - just a gut feeling - I don't know if anyone else felt that. I felt that she was unhappy about not having more control of what she was doing. But she gave it her best shot anyway.
Hayley does her own thing. It is one of the things we love about her. I don't think she would take kindly about having to do things a different way to please the perceived tastes of an American audience. She wants to be herself, and her real fans I'm sure want her to be herself. If American audiences can't relate to that, then I don't think she would bother putting the effort in to be "a second rate version of somebody else".
Martin D
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Post by fusilier23 on Apr 17, 2012 18:51:00 GMT
I don't consider 2004 to be a failure, since Hayley did finish out that year soloing with the Boston Pops. However, certain forum folks, I won't say who because I have since found myself on the outs with them, said as early as 2005 that it was over for Hayley in the states, and there was no point in continuing to follow her. I refused to believe that until 2007 and the frank failure of her time with Celtic Woman to make much of a difference in her stateside profile. However, when the next four years produced 2 US appearances of one song each, who did we think we were kidding? I'll also be candid - Hayley was NOT happy in DC last year. Although she put on a good smile and spoke pleasantly it was clear she wanted nothing more than to get going after the Memorial Day concert and she snapped her arms in frustration when approached by a Capitol police officer seeking a photograph after she thought she was done with dealing with fans for the evening. The states just aren't a priority for her and probably never will be, especially with her upcoming marriage, after which NOTHING will be a priority.
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