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Post by spiderman on Oct 29, 2010 19:30:21 GMT
rogers work is impressive...
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Post by milewalker on Oct 29, 2010 19:43:42 GMT
Hi Jon I decided to put this post here, since expanding Hayley's audience is what I am trying to do  A while back, Roger put together a spreadsheet which showed nearly all of the Hayley CD's released to that point with information about which ones contained which songs. Is this still buried in the catacombs here?
Thanks Yes, it' still HEREBest wishes Grant Thanks Grant! That was fast! Jon |
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Post by mihizawi on Apr 8, 2011 9:56:09 GMT
Hi everyone,
I noticed that between the newest videos uploaded on Youtube that mention Hayley, there are 2 amateur videos from Spain that use Hayley's music. Of course, it's copyright violation, but I am happy to see that, it seems as Hayley's popularity here is increasing (surprisingly, one of the songs used is "A thousand winds", which points that the person knows Hayley enough to be aware of her Japanese songs).
Michal
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Post by rickky on Jul 2, 2011 12:29:30 GMT
This post and the next have been moved from the Jackie Evancho thread by Richard.
Martin D
Has Hayley ever sang in the USA, I never even heard of her until I did a search of Jackie. I bought Hayley CD's (River of Dreams) and liked it but I don't remember ever seeing her before. Susan Boyle promoted in the USA (I am not her fan either) and sold 1,850,000 CDs here. Compared to 600,000 in the UK. Maybe they need to promote her better. Jackie showed that this type of music not only can sell here but can compete with Pop, Rap, Country and the rest. With a population of 307 million you only need to sell a small percent. So many in the US think of Classical and Opera as the same thing and is sung by huge women, Hayley could sure blow that image out of the water.
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Post by tireman on Jul 2, 2011 21:46:17 GMT
Martin D Has Hayley ever sang in the USA, I never even heard of her until I did a search of Jackie. I bought Hayley CD's (River of Dreams) and liked it but I don't remember ever seeing her before. Susan Boyle promoted in the USA (I am not her fan either) and sold 1,850,000 CDs here. Compared to 600,000 in the UK. Maybe they need to promote her better. Jackie showed that this type of music not only can sell here but can compete with Pop, Rap, Country and the rest. With a population of 307 million you only need to sell a small percent. So many in the US think of Classical and Opera as the same thing and is sung by huge women, Hayley could sure blow that image out of the water. Hi Ricky Discussing what Hayley could do in the U S is like beating a dead horse. Tireman |
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Post by Simba on Jul 3, 2011 10:38:38 GMT
Tireman: I'm sure none of us here would like to see such discouraging and demotivating posts here, despite being told so many times that it is only you who think that way. And this particular post simply puts all discussion about hayley's influence in the US down.
And also, I suggest you to reread what rickky said, which I agree with completely. The US as we well discovered is not interested in Hayley, not because of her genre of music, but the mere fact that she's not popular, or promoted well there. When Jackie Evancho, a more operatic and less original singer can be this popular when projected well by the media, miracles can happen with Hayley, so I'm pretty sure Hayley will make it to that point sooner or later, but she will, I know this will happening!
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Post by tireman on Jul 3, 2011 18:18:03 GMT
Tireman: I'm sure none of us here would like to see such discouraging and demotivating posts here, despite being told so many times that it is only you who think that way. And this particular post simply puts all discussion about hayley's influence in the US down. And also, I suggest you to reread what rickky said, which I agree with completely. The US as we well discovered is not interested in Hayley, not because of her genre of music, but the mere fact that she's not popular, or promoted well there. When Jackie Evancho, a more operatic and less original singer can be this popular when projected well by the media, miracles can happen with Hayley, so I'm pretty sure Hayley will make it to that point sooner or later, but she will, I know this will happening! Simba, firstly if you don't like my posts don't read them. Secondly if you think I'm the only one with this opinion I suggest you check the thread that address why Hayley doesn't seem to be able to succeed in the U S. The promotion issue has been widely discussed for years. I can't demotivate anyone. You can only demotivate yourself. Hayley has sang many times in the U S. The latest time was just last Memorial Day in Washington D C. Tireman |
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Post by Libby on Jul 3, 2011 18:51:31 GMT
Funny how you're so negative, even though you know that Hayley was just here!
Tireman, I don't suppose you read my response to your other depressing post in the other thread? You really should read it.
You are entitled to your negative point of view, and it's not entirely unfounded, but it is mostly. Why don't you wait and see what happens with Paradiso? Her new management seems to be trying hard for her. She's probably going to come here to promote the album, just as she has everywhere else so far. She even implied this in a recent interview.
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Post by tireman on Jul 3, 2011 21:43:07 GMT
Funny how you're so negative, even though you know that Hayley was just here! Tireman, I don't suppose you read my response to your other depressing post in the other thread? You really should read it. You are entitled to your negative point of view, and it's not entirely unfounded, but it is mostly. Why don't you wait and see what happens with Paradiso? Her new management seems to be trying hard for her. She's probably going to come here to promote the album, just as she has everywhere else so far. She even implied this in a recent interview. Hi Libby This thing is being completely misunderstood by you guys. What I said was that to discuss Hayley in America was like beating a dead horse. What that meant if you're not familiar withwhat that metaphor meant was it has already been talked about at great lengths. Perhaps its an old metaphor that young people don't understand. All I meant was it was kinda fruitless to discuss it. Listen Libby no one wants Hayley here more than me. I've traveled to the U K and Ireland seven times at considerable expense and I'd be thrilled to see her here. Actually I did travel to Nashville some years ago to see her with the C W girls. I'm not negative about it just realistic. Larry |
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Post by Joe on Jul 4, 2011 0:05:36 GMT
Hi Larry,
When someone posts a negative and unpopular message such as yours, one should be prepared for the back lash.
You are entitled to your opinion of course. As Libby said, let's see how 'Paradiso' will be promoted.
Respectfully,
Joe
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Post by Simba on Jul 4, 2011 7:57:53 GMT
On a funny note...
I think it's Libby, she wants Hayley in the US more than anyone XD (based on the looong posts I have been reading for a while, haha good job Libby XD)
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Post by tireman on Jul 4, 2011 13:58:42 GMT
Hi Larry, When someone posts a negative and unpopular message such as yours, one should be prepared for the back lash. You are entitled to your opinion of course. As Libby said, let's see how 'Paradiso' will be promoted. Respectfully, Joe Hi Joe I don't think the message was negative at all. I was simply stating the fact that that subject has been covered so thoroughly in the past that it was just redundant to bring it up again. Larry |
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Post by Libby on Jul 5, 2011 5:32:24 GMT
Well, I'm sorry, but you're realism is quite negative. Realistic or not, what you say, and the way you say it is very negative and depressing. Why do we have to stop discussing something just because we've talked about it a lot? As long as there is still possibility for Hayley to come here and be promoted here, we can talk about it if we want to. You don't have to participate if you don't want to. I still have plenty to say about it. And, to borrow a line from you, if you don't like our redundant posts, then don't read them. And why do people always equate pessimism with realism? Are you saying positive, good, or wonderful things aren't real? Hayley's music is good and positive. It makes people feel good and positive. That's real, isn't it? And there are some possibilities for Hayley in America in the near future. The Mormon Tabernacle choir staff told me that Hayley is "definitely in their future plans", for their annual Christmas productions, which is aired on PBS every year. Hayley has hinted recently at doing promotions in the US. Which would seem to indicate that there might be a few concerts in the US as well. If they think it's worth it to come to promote the album, they might also think it's worthwhile to come back for a few concerts. Also, Peter Jackson will be considering Hayley for the soundtrack(s) to the upcoming blockbuster movies, The Hobbit, when it comes time to do so. He said as much in his reply to my letter.  Nobody wants Hayley to come more than you? Then do something to help make it happen, like some of the rest of us do. Giving up and moping about it isn't going to bring her here any faster. I'd love to travel to see Hayley, but it's just not feasible for me to be doing very often. I hope I can someday, but it would be easier if she came here, which is why I'm trying to get her here.  |
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Post by martindn on Jul 9, 2011 22:12:17 GMT
Hi Guys,
No need to be negative. Hayley will always appeal to a minority of people wherever they are. She will never be huge like Gaga or Madonna - we shouldn't expect that and should not be disappointed when she doesn't sell like those artists.
The thing is that music appeals to people on different levels. Music can have physical appeal, make you want to dance or be sexy. It can have emotional appeal, or intellectual appeal. Or spiriual appeal, and for me Hayley'sappeal is primarily spiritual, with emotion as a secondary string to her bow.
Now there are a lot of people out there that do not even recognise their own spiritual identity, let alone see it in someone else. Spirituality is derided and educated out of people in most societies in the world. So how can they be expected to understand a performer who is as mindblowingly spiritual as Hayley? All they are left with is the emotional content. And in that respect, there are pleny of others that do it better.
OK there is the technical aspect too, and in that Hayley is second to none. But very few people know how to recognise technical excellence in a musician. Just look at the voting on any TV talent show and you will see what I mean.
But there are still plenty of spiritually aware people in the world, in all contries and despite all that popular culture can do to hide that part of us from ourselves. And those people will understand, and love Hayley. That is the best she can hope for, but it is enough!
To me Hayley is an inspiration, she lifts my spirits and makes me realise that God really does love me. That is a huge blessing, and something I am very grateful to Hayley for showing me. I know I am not the only one. And although we may be a minority, it is a significant enough minority to give Hayley a worthwhile following in pretty much any country she chooses to promote herself in.
She is popular in Japan, Taiwan, mainland China even. If she can do it there, she can do it anywhere, even the USA!
Martin D
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Post by grant on Jul 9, 2011 23:16:36 GMT
Hi Martin
I agree with pretty much everything you say and yes, Hayley has and continues to affect me in very much the same way as you say she affects you - but there is something I keep coming back to with all this talk of Hayley's popularity ..... and it's this:
When ever there is a difficult job to be done musically, who do they call? - Hayley! Some of the things she's called upon to do must leave her feeling an emotional wreck - yet she does them with grace; with humility and with compassion.
She's in great demand as a duet partner by some of the greatest musical talent on the planet; people who would not risk duetting with someone who may let them down - Hayley never does.
So why is someone, who would appear to be in great demand worldwide like Hayley clearly is, not, after 10 years, be not as popular as the likes of Lady Gaga (for want of a better example!)
The only answer I can come up with is that Hayley herself does not want it. She's content with what she has. She wants to sing; to be close to her fans and to support her charities and then be able to disappear in a crowd and be herself without the press chasing her everywhere she goes - she clearly didn't like "the paparazzi" attention in Malta although she brushed it off.
Having said that, Hayley is aware that she has fans in many countries she hasn't performed in or hasn't performed for a while - I'm also sure that she will visit as many of those countries (including you guys in the US) as she can eventually because ALL her fans are important to her. Isn't that why we love her the way we do??
Best wishes
Grant
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A while back, Roger put together a spreadsheet which showed nearly all of the Hayley CD's released to that point with information about which ones contained which songs. Is this still buried in the catacombs here?
