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Post by Jillian on Jun 24, 2013 22:07:47 GMT
Oh gosh, I'd forgotten about Winter Magics charting.
Although, quite interestingly, for Christmas 2012, Christmas Magic was placed and featured quite prominently with heaps of copies in the Australian general store Big W. So it probably sold more copies in Australia years after the release, as originally it was very hard to find.
It shows that a much better effort was put in for Hushabye.
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Post by Libby on Jun 25, 2013 3:38:11 GMT
I don't think Decca do have a "master plan". They put products out, spend two days promoting them, then abandon them. They expect the relevance of their product to do all the work. It's actually up to Decca to pitch Hayley's album to the supermarkets on week of release. They have failed to do that like they always nearly do. I'm not sure they even try. Sorry to be negative, but it's not a good product and can only possibly appeal to a very niche market. As I've said before, I think Decca already knew this going in and they are unlikely to be surprised by how the album has performed so far. I'm a fan of Hayley and I have no interest in this album. The promo videos they made actually turned me off. :/ Hi Nicola, This is one time when I totally and completely agree with you. And sorry, comet, but an album titled Hushabye, and which has quite a few songs that are considered to be lullabies, which in turn are considered by most people to be songs for babies, is going to be used in the same sentence as lullabies and babies. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but a huge amount of tweets to Hayley regarding the album are about how the album is helping their child/children sleep. There are a few from the tweeters themselves saying that about themselves, but most about their babies. Even Hayley's interviews include the subject of babies. And sorry again, but you don't need to look at the back of an album titled Hushabye to guess (rightly) that it's a lullaby album. Where else does anyone here hushabye than in a lullaby?? Nowhere! I am all for calming and soothing music, but as for me, I just do not have the patience for baby lyrics. I already like lots of beautiful, calming and soothing songs, and none are lullabies. You don't need a song to be a lullaby to calm and soothe. One of Hayley's most calming pieces is Once Upon a Time in the West. Also Let Me Lie is extremely peaceful and soothing. See, I don't need a lullaby to relax me, Hayley's own beautiful songs are doing that just fine for me.
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Post by Libby on Jun 25, 2013 3:51:09 GMT
I would classify Miracele as being a bit like Josh Groban's 'Noel' album - technically a niche album that came in and sold like crazy. Also, if I remember right, Celine said her own baby didn't even like it when she sang to him! Too much of a powerhouse for lullabies, maybe? I'm sure she sang as softly as she could, though. Anyway, as for Noel, fans had been clamoring for a Christmas album by Josh for some time, and so it was a little more than just a niche. Christmas songs are a niche, but they are a hugely popular niche! And Josh fans desperately wanted to hear Josh sing Christmas songs, and that's exactly what they got. Josh didn't do it becausee he loved Christmas music so much (I remember reading somewhere that he wasn't that crazy about them), but he did it all for his fans. Not to mention he is always promoted very well, on all the most-watched talk shows, and even gets his Christmas songs played on the radio.
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Post by Bamafan on Jun 25, 2013 5:06:01 GMT
Yes, Josh gets lots of good promotion. Sadly, we can't really say the same for Hayley. Anyway, my father has grown to despise "O Holy Night" due to it's being overplayed around here during Christmas (i.e. early November). I've grown not too keen of it myself. :je -Taylor i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif
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Post by Jillian on Jun 25, 2013 8:33:07 GMT
I had a look at the Itunes Charts.
UK Itunes all genres chart: number 186. New Zealand all genres chart: not in top 200. New Zealand classical chart: number 3 Australian Itunes classical chart: number 6
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Post by afaninchicago on Jun 25, 2013 15:44:04 GMT
This is off topic, I know, but speaking of Let Me Lie, I played it for a 16-month-old I was babysitting and he fell asleep by the time the song was over, soo that one, I agree with Libby, is definitely soothing.
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Post by Libby on Jun 25, 2013 22:47:12 GMT
This is off topic, I know, but speaking of Let Me Lie, I played it for a 16-month-old I was babysitting and he fell asleep by the time the song was over, soo that one, I agree with Libby, is definitely soothing. My sister was using it in her an exercise class she teaches with the adaptive recreation program in our city, for the either the warm-up or cool-down section, I can't remember which. There was at one point a girl in the class who actually had brought in a CD of her own that had Prayer and May it Be on it. Yeah, sorry this is off-topic. I only brought up Let Me Lie to prove my point that a song does not need to be a lullaby to relax and soothe a person.
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Post by martindn on Jun 30, 2013 13:34:42 GMT
Yes, Josh gets lots of good promotion. Sadly, we can't really say the same for Hayley. Anyway, my father has grown to despise "O Holy Night" due to it's being overplayed around here during Christmas (i.e. early November). I've grown not too keen of it myself. -Taylor i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifYou might change your mind if you heard Hayley sing it live! She does an absolutely stunning version. Martin D
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Post by Jillian on Jun 30, 2013 14:01:34 GMT
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Post by Dave on Jun 30, 2013 18:32:00 GMT
Thanks Jillian!
In the UK album chart, it's down from 35 to 81.
It hasn't appeared in the Classic FM chart so it is indeed, Hayley's first non-classical album in the UK.
Having said that, Pure only squeezed into the classical chart because Decca cleverly repeated Hine E Hine so it's always been marginal and sooner or later, Decca would inevitably either misjudge it and come a cropper, or decide that trying for Radio 2 plays was a better bet than relying on Classic FM. I hope they haven't fallen between two stools.
Cheers, Dave
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Post by Libby on Jun 30, 2013 20:44:37 GMT
Dave, didn't In Trutina, Benedictus, or Never Say Goodbye qualify as classical? A little confused how Hine could be the song that made it classical. Yes, Josh gets lots of good promotion. Sadly, we can't really say the same for Hayley. Anyway, my father has grown to despise "O Holy Night" due to it's being overplayed around here during Christmas (i.e. early November). I've grown not too keen of it myself. -Taylor i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifYou might change your mind if you heard Hayley sing it live! She does an absolutely stunning version. Martin D I absolutely love Josh and Hayley's versions of O Holy Night. In fact, Josh's version has only appeared on the CD portion of his first live CD/DVD album. Yet, the radio stations still played it, and they still do at Christmas time!
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Post by Dave on Jun 30, 2013 22:22:11 GMT
Dave, didn't In Trutina, Benedictus, or Never Say Goodbye qualify as classical? A little confused how Hine could be the song that made it classical. Hi Libby, 60% of the album playing time needs to be from tracks that qualify as classical, so if all tracks are the same length, that means 7 tracks. 7 out of the first 12 tracks on Pure count as classical and that's 58% - meaning the album wouldn't qualify as classical unless another classical track was added. Hine is one of the classical tracks so by repeating it on the UK edition under the guise of a "Maori Mix" if I recall correctly, that made 8 classical tracks out of 13, which happens to be 61.5%. Problem solved. That's what I think happened once Decca decided they wanted it to go into the classical charts, because they thought it could beat Charlotte Church's 'fastest selling' record and would make good publicity. And it did, only by about 300 copies but enough to claim the record and get lots of media attention. Cheers, Dave
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Post by Richard on Jul 1, 2013 7:10:50 GMT
Hello Dave and everybody! All Hayley can hope for now is a few extra sales when the royal baby is born in a couple of weeks time. Otherwise Decca have blown it. Richard
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Post by susieverity on Jul 1, 2013 7:36:18 GMT
Hi Dave,
So what is the percentage classical and non classical on Hushabye? It must be a mistake on Decca's part that it doesn't qualify as they are missing out on air play, I can't see radio 2 playing it much.
Susie
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Post by Jillian on Jul 1, 2013 8:02:51 GMT
Hi all,
Well, at least Hushabye is charting MUCH better than Winter Magic did. Which is an achievement, as Winter Magic is probably an album with more widespread appeal. Although I do remember the release of Winter Magic was a right shammozzle, with the release date being changed at the last minute and it being virtually unavailable to purchase anywhere in hard copy. At least that didn't happen this time around.
But then again, as this was meant to be a concept 'cash grab' album, it doesn't really appear to be achieving its purpose....
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