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Post by Simba on Jul 26, 2013 20:17:53 GMT
Wait what? O.o Why would Camilla Kerslake record sleep on? That makes no sense XD
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Post by martindn on Jul 26, 2013 20:48:07 GMT
It was a joke Simba. Because her record company can promote it better than Hayley's!
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Post by Libby on Jul 27, 2013 4:23:54 GMT
Simba, nobody is saying the chart positions are Hayley's fault. And nobody mentioned her needing to belt out songs... not that it's a bad thing, since she's quite capable of it these days. We also have no problem with intimate songs. Love songs can be quite intimate, can they not? She made I Knew I Loved You quite intimate in her concerts, remember? They're much more popular than lullabies, however. Dream a Little Dream is a love song, though, so there's one on Hushabye, anyway. I do agree that Hayley singing lullabies isn't quite the same thing as Pavorotti singing rap, though. LOL Lullabies suit her voice, but they don't suit all her listeners. That's the problem. I apologize if this is too off-topic, but the post I'm replying to is in this thread.
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Post by tireman on Jul 27, 2013 5:07:50 GMT
What a pity, that some people ' think hitting belted out notes and long runs and complex riffs is what is use of talent ' there's more to singing than just that. Not a surprise. I'm sorry to say Hushabye is a bust. I am not surprised. It would be like Pavarotti making a rapp album. What a waste of talent... ...those posts were directly offending hayley's work, talent and dedication that she was proud of. Yeah yeah, saying hayley's capable of so much more doesn't make it a 'nice' post. It's just as offensive as it is to tell an artist who actually produced quality work, saying that it's a waste and that he could do more. Saying you don't like it is different. Sorry for backseat moding, but there's something called the "modify" button. Nobody wishes to read 3 posts of same content, just saying. Oh please and chart & sales are not hayley's fault, it's the lack of promotion and the fact that it wasn't placed in the classical chart. And finally, I enjoyed reading your much 'relevant' analogy of Pavarotti making a rap album, well if you listen closely to Hushabye, she's not really singing something out of her circle, it's just a little more intimate than her usual singing, which is still classical crossover/easy listening. First I take exception to the reference to my post as being SOME PEOPLE. I thought the forum was to express opinions not to be chastised for a disagreement. I've seen Hayley perform in person many times and I have most of her albums. I don't micro fixate on every thing Hayley sings or does. On my previous Forum participation I had well over 1000 posts. I'm most concerned with Hayley's worldwide success. The gist of my post was that Hushabye was not an album that I thought would help her career. But that's her and her management's decision. So like it or not I was not impressed by Hushabye. Larry
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Post by Jillian on Jul 27, 2013 5:56:21 GMT
I do agree that Hayley singing lullabies isn't quite the same thing as Pavorotti singing rap, though. LOL Lullabies suit her voice, but they don't suit all her listeners. That's the problem. lol Yes, not quite An example that comes to mind is using expensive triple cream truffled brie cheese to make a toasted sandwich with tomato sauce and luncheon meat. (Always food with me) I also can't help but think that there's something a bit 'Stepford Wives' about the whole lullaby album thing. Working mid to late twenties women will know what I mean about that...
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Post by Libby on Jul 27, 2013 5:59:05 GMT
First I take exception to the reference to my post as being SOME PEOPLE. I thought the forum was to express opinions not to be chastised for a disagreement. I've seen Hayley perform in person many times and I have most of her albums. I don't micro fixate on every thing Hayley sings or does. On my previous Forum participation I had well over 1000 posts. I'm most concerned with Hayley's worldwide success. The gist of my post was that Hushabye was not an album that I thought would help her career. But that's her and her management's decision. So like it or not I was not impressed by Hushabye. Larry Exactly, I'm with you on most everything you said there. Especially the first part. "Some people" will tell how they love honest opinions here, but it's pretty hard to tell.
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Post by Simba on Jul 27, 2013 9:47:45 GMT
Haha, these last posts best be moved to Hushabye general discussion, as I finish off saying Larry, what you last said, see I wouldn't have even replied if it was that. Because that's totally fine, you made absolute sense this time. And Libby I agree with what you said too. I just don't like the "mocking" and "dissing" of the album. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but not to the extent of putting it down, and destructively criticizing it, because those comments aren't going to help If you still don't get it, it's like the case when you know a lot of us think Hayley is very beautiful, but I've seen so many in real life who think not so much, now to say that is different, but to say "no I don't like how she looks, 'cause she looks ugly, her nose looks bad, this and that" It's even funnier when that person says, I'm entitled to say Hayley is ugly because I'm a big fan of her just wishing her all success. Just doesn't go together Never works that way. (Oh and Dave sorry for continuing, but I only did, hoping they'd be moved to the relevant thread, and won't look off-topic then XD, Thanks!)
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Post by martindn on Jul 27, 2013 22:04:05 GMT
An example that comes to mind is using expensive triple cream truffled brie cheese to make a toasted sandwich with tomato sauce and luncheon meat. (Always food with me) Or a bit like those people who live in places like Guernsey, which has a maximum speed limit of 35mph, and drive around in Ferraris and other expensive 200mph cars. But the point is, Hushbye fell because it was badly marketed. Not because of the quality of the product. Hayley's albums are nearly always badly marketed, Pure was perhaps the only exception in the UK. You can have the best product in the world, but you won't sell it if people don't know it exists. Try asking around people who you have never talked to about Hushbye, and ask them the name of the song that was written for the royal baby. And see what percentage can name the song, let alone the singer. Or even if they can, have ever heard it. So how is that going to change so that future albums perform better. You can't blame the artist for any of that, but someone somewhere isn't doing their job. Martin D
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Post by Libby on Jul 28, 2013 4:37:09 GMT
I don't think saying that Hushabye is a "bust" is dissing or mocking it. And saying that, he didn't say why it was a bust, just that it was. It's merely an observation. Whether it's lack of marketing, lack of classical chart material (and it appears to be both of those), or whether it's what people want to buy is not the doesn't change the fact that the album does not seem to have done all that well, so far. And since promotion has died down in the UK, this is probably as far as it will go.
If there's anything close to "dissing or mocking", it's in the posts in which the author does not agree with the fans who don't care for the album.
What if Hayley did do rap? Would you like it? Would you still have nothing but praise for it? Or would you find something you didn't like about it and speak your mind? If you did, would you like it if others here "chastised" you, as Larry feels you did to him? No, I don't think you would.
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Post by Simba on Jul 28, 2013 10:08:07 GMT
See, saying it's a complete waste of talent, pleasant noise, going into the dustbin, to name a few. And yet you seem to be ignoring all that. Who are we to say what is and what's not a waste of Hayley's talent?
Again Hayley going into rap is not as drastic as a lullaby album, anybody could relate to Hayley singing lullabies, because people have told me that her usual songs are like lullabies. So it makes absolutely no sense to use that example here.
BUT, even in that case, If I'd see if Hayley has done a good job or not, whether or not I like it. But as I know nothing about rap, I'd only be like, I don't like rap and I don't know anything about it, so I'm just going to be ignorant about the whole thing. I'll just make sure I post my opinion once in one or two lines and let that go and let the others who do like it to enjoy it.
To put it in short, Hayley wouldn't mind people saying I don't like the album, but if Hayley were to read certain comments, she'd definitely be offended, upset. If I were the singer I'd be mad, as I woudn't want anyone telling me what I did was right or wrong when I'm already really happy with my work.
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Post by Jillian on Jul 28, 2013 10:50:11 GMT
I think that if there was some heartfelt and personal reason why Hayley herself came up with the idea of Hushabye, I'd be much more understanding of it. But I see it as just a Decca thing.
I mean goodness knows, I wish I liked it. I've been a fan of Hayley's for years and have travelled internationally to see her -- I've tried, but I just can't like it. Which is a bit unsettling when following Hayley's music and loving all of it is a big hobby of mine. It leaves you at a loose end. Believe me, I simply cannot wait until the next album or live concert videos come out so that I can love them...
I think the thing about music is that it is a bit like a canvas that you can project your own emotions and feelings onto. All the different Hayley songs mean different things to me. I imagine it's the same for everyone else. I have my own song meanings to them, I associate them with different aspects and events of my life etc etc.
In a way, the reason why I like Hayley's music (and number of other singers and bands) so much is that I feel it speaks to me and I can relate to it. It's the difference between something sounding fun or pretty and really being favourite music.
But with Hushabye, there's nothing. I can't relate to it, I can't associate with it. All I can visualise when I play it is someone sitting in the Decca boardroom with a calculator and a well worn songbook. There's no story or meaning behind this project.
Music is such a personal thing and I like to believe (or at least like to be able to imagine) that there's sincerity and significance behind the music I listen to. My imagination latches onto that. For me, the entirely commercial focus of Hushabye has been inescapable.
Music is such a deeply personal thing, that one size doesn't fit all.
It really doesn't have anything to do with Hayley as a person. I don't know her or what she's like. We see only a tiny fraction of her in a professional capacity. I couldn't even guess what she thinks about certain things.
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Post by Libby on Jul 28, 2013 20:15:45 GMT
Simba, I was not comparing lullabies to rap, I was making a point that if she sang something that you didn't like, would you be excited about it? And, good for you if you only felt obligated to say your peace in only 2 lines. But if others want to write a whole paragraph about it, they have the right to do that. If Larry hadn't said anything, and you hadn't attacked him in return, I wouldn't have said anything. I tend to get myself involved anyway, because I take exception for people continually scolding others for their opinions.
I understand that you don't agree with some of us about Hushabye, but there's no need to try to make us feel ashamed about it everytime we express our feelings about it. It's getting extremely aggravating. It also feels like you have a grudge against us for not liking this album, because lately in other, unrelated posts you seem to be pouncing on any little thing I say, and correcting or questioning why I brought up something that you weren't talking about. I don't appreciate this at all, and I find it really frustrating to try to discuss anything with you, Hushabye or not.
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Post by martindn on Jul 28, 2013 20:25:38 GMT
Jillian, I understand a lot of that. I relate to Hayley's music just as you do. And like you, I find Hushabye has very little I can relate to. But that's because I am male perhaps. Yet I find on here Hushbye's most vociferous critics are female. The guys just say, it's a mother and baby thing. We don't need to relate to it like that, can't expect to. But we enjoy the sound of Hayley's voice, the clever arrangements, and it sounds like the sort of soothing thing babies might like. Most of us can't remember our babyhood, and how we might have reacted to Hushabye. But it is better than that! It is well performed, beautiful even. And I enjoy listening to it. With bthe right promotion, it could have done much better. But not qualifying for the classical chart seems to have knocked the stuffing out of Decca's promotional effort. They admitted defeat before they were defeated. With proper promotion, the album, the song Sleep On, should be a household name. Everybody should know about it. The fact they don't is entirely down to the failure to promote it properly.
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Post by Jillian on Jul 28, 2013 22:18:51 GMT
Jillian, I understand a lot of that. I relate to Hayley's music just as you do. And like you, I find Hushabye has very little I can relate to. But that's because I am male perhaps. Yet I find on here Hushbye's most vociferous critics are female. The guys just say, it's a mother and baby thing. We don't need to relate to it like that, can't expect to. Martin D Hi martind, I think that on the other hand, for females, something like Hushabye is quite a loaded product. Perhaps listening to a lullaby album when you're a childless mid twenties female is a bit like being single and spending your weekends sitting at home cutting out pictures of wedding dresses out of bridal magazines. :rollin I mean imagine if I went out on a date and the bloke got into my car and I was playing Twinkle Twinkle? He would run for the hills. He'd probably think I was some weird baby snatcher. Ha ha ha The lullaby album for women like me also conjures up all sorts of thoughts about gender roles and stereotypes. But I won't even get started on that! Cheers, Jillian
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Post by comet on Jul 29, 2013 8:16:01 GMT
Hi martind, I think that on the other hand, for females, something like Hushabye is quite a loaded product. Perhaps listening to a lullaby album when you're a childless mid twenties female is a bit like being single and spending your weekends sitting at home cutting out pictures of wedding dresses out of bridal magazines. I mean imagine if I went out on a date and the bloke got into my car and I was playing Twinkle Twinkle? He would run for the hills. He'd probably think I was some weird baby snatcher. Ha ha haThe lullaby album for women like me also conjures up all sorts of thoughts about gender roles and stereotypes. But I won't even get started on that! Cheers, Jillian Thanks for the laugh Jillian, I have skipped Twinkle once or twice when I have had other people in the car
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