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Post by sonata58 on May 25, 2012 15:23:28 GMT
Katherine was incredible on DWTS. The judges have constantly praised her and commended her for being one of the technically best dancers ever on DWTS. She has also won a lot of new fans. From reading comments online, it seems that America has fallen in love with her. They find her so warm, gracious, and elegant - a real lady. She definitely conducts herself in a much more classy manner than most celebrities. She has something of that old Hollywood, vintage glamour and style (which was brilliantly captured in her freestyle dance).
I think Katherine's success could be beneficial to Hayley. Many people would be introduced to the classical crossover genre. And discovering one singer often leads to discovering another. That happened with me.
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Post by Libby on May 26, 2012 4:53:25 GMT
Yeah, I never would have discovered Mary Jess or Grace Bawden if I hadn't heard of Hayley, because I saw their names first on these forums and from Hayley friends on Facebook and Twitter. Also, I would probably not have become very much of a fan of Celtic Woman, either, although I had heard of them. It was my dad who bought their first DVD. It was also my dad who first discovered Hayley! In an AARP magazine, of all places!  |
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Post by lordbalfor on May 26, 2012 5:16:41 GMT
Well she didn't win. All that splendid hoofing' for nothing. The public is fickle and her 15 minutes are probably up in America since she doesn't have a CD to promote and runners up are instantly forgettable. Hi, there, DEFINITELY not "for nothing". Consider these facts: 1) Last time Katherine did a US tour (her only one) the venues were TINY - some of them only seating 300 or so (dinner club sized) in a tour that received NO media attention whatsoever. This for someone who's concerts overseas draw THOUSANDS. The fact is NO ONE knew who she was - nor did they care. 2) Since her first appearance on DWTS, she's ALREADY scheduled now to appear with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir in July for 2 shows in a 22,000 seat arena (that WILL be completely full) - this was a DIRECT result of her DWTS appearance (the person with the MTC who arranged it had never even heard of her until he saw her on DWTS). Also, this show will be televised to Mormon locations all around the country and the world (the total audience will be HUGE). 3) Shes also now scheduled to appear with Andrea Bocelli in a half a dozen or so major US cities in Nov & Dec in halls seating between 12,000 and 19,000. Tickets for these show are apparently selling briskly (one article mentioned that the NYC show was the "hottest ticket in town"). Admittedly Bocelli IS the major draw but Katherine will gain new fans with each performance - and total number of viewers of this series of shows is likely to be around 100,000 or so. 4) It's just been announced she's appearing in Tampa Florida in March of next year in a concert of her own that seats 2,600 And this is just what's been announced in the last couple of weeks - with no doubt more to come (I doubt the Tampa appearance is single deal - more likely it's just the 1st appearance in a 2013 US tour), 5) Her album sales - while still modest (CC is just not a big seller here in the US at the moment) - DID see very significant jumps. 6) There are "rumors" - so far JUST rumors admittedly (but I DO think that "something along these lines IS in the works) - that she may be offered either a movie role and/or a Broadway role - neither of which would surprise me. Katherine has neither confirmed nor denied these rumors but has merely stated generically that "good things have come from" her appearance on the show but that she "wasn't going to talk about them yet". Keep in mind that she made that statement AFTER the MTC concert and the Andrea Bocelli tour was announced so CLEARLY she's refering to "something else" (maybe SEVERAL "something elses") that is/are likely still "in negotiation". The fact is DWTS has given Katherine a MASSIVE kick start for her career here. She began the show an unknown and left it a star. This is no small thing when you consider things such as the fact that when her NEXT album is released in December (she' just tweeted today that she was in a meeting to work out some of the song choices) she WILL likely be able to secure appearances on US morning talk shows etc to promote the album - something she couldn't really manage to secure previously. The fact is, that from here on out she's no longer an unknown and won't be ignored by the media as she was in the past. NOW when she shows up she will get ATTENTION. America has REALLY embraced Katherine and from here on out things will never be the same for her here. Her appearance on DWTS wasn't about "winning the contest", it was about gaining EXPOSURE (just as it was for Jackie Evancho when she came in 2nd on AGT - and has since gone on to become a significant star - MUCH more so than the actual winner of AGT) - and for 9 weeks she appeared before 15 million people or so twice a week. So, the fact is - DWTS was a MASSIVE triumph for her - transforming her from an unknown here into a STAR. That's the way it is with all such shows - it's not about winning, it's about the exposure - then taking that exposure and DOING something with it (and in that regard Katherine has "hit the ground running" and is already taking advantage of the exposure in some very big ways that will likely pay long-term dividends for her). Katherine achieved everything she hoped for on DWTS and then some.  While I don't propose that Hayley appear on the show as a CONTESTANT, I DO propose that her agents and fans try hard to get her invited to SING on the show (specifically during the next Classical Week) - just as Katherine did. THAT would be a HUGE step forward for Hayley in regards to "cracking the American market". Ken |
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Post by Libby on May 27, 2012 5:47:18 GMT
Well she didn't win. All that splendid hoofing' for nothing. The public is fickle and her 15 minutes are probably up in America since she doesn't have a CD to promote and runners up are instantly forgettable. While I don't propose that Hayley appear on the show as a CONTESTANT, I DO propose that her agents and fans try hard to get her invited to SING on the show (specifically during the next Classical Week) - just as Katherine did. THAT would be a HUGE step forward for Hayley in regards to "cracking the American market". Ken I've already started! I sent a letter to the DWTS studios! It was the address for getting an autograph, but it was the only method of contact I could find. I did it too late for this season, of course, but I am planning to send another one before the next season. There's a fall season, isn't there? In that case, would it be starting in September? If so, I may send another letter as early as July (or maybe August) to try to make sure they see it in time to invite her on. Of course, Hayley might not be available then, but if they keep getting a letter requesting her, they might think about it. If they keep up with the classical week, they will have to get to Hayley eventually! |
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Post by lordbalfor on May 27, 2012 13:47:09 GMT
While I don't propose that Hayley appear on the show as a CONTESTANT, I DO propose that her agents and fans try hard to get her invited to SING on the show (specifically during the next Classical Week) - just as Katherine did. THAT would be a HUGE step forward for Hayley in regards to "cracking the American market". Ken I've already started! I sent a letter to the DWTS studios! It was the address for getting an autograph, but it was the only method of contact I could find. I did it too late for this season, of course, but I am planning to send another one before the next season. There's a fall season, isn't there? In that case, would it be starting in September? If so, I may send another letter as early as July (or maybe August) to try to make sure they see it in time to invite her on. Of course, Hayley might not be available then, but if they keep getting a letter requesting her, they might think about it. If they keep up with the classical week, they will have to get to Hayley eventually! Yup. In fact, when Katherine said on the the show that "her friends" were going to be on "Classical Week" Hayley was one of the folks I was hoping would be performing (the other was Jackie Evancho - who did indeed turn out to be a guest singer). I'm a fan of Jackie as well, and several of us had contacted the show making known our desire that they invite her to perform (as you are doing). We also tweeted the host (Tom Bergeron - ie twitter.com/#!/tom_bergeron) to ask if Jackie was going to be performing and (if not) ask if she could or would in the future. Tom doesn't control any of that of course but if he keeps getting requests from lots of different people he'll likely mention it to the producers - so just try and drum up enthusiasm among the members here to make a combined & sustained effort to keep bringing up Hayley's name. Be careful not to make a nuisanse of yourselves, but keep the name coming up over and over again every so often over an extended period of time and from multiple people (as many different folks as possible). Trust me, if you can make this happen (Hayley being invited to sing) it would be a great first step for her in regards to cracking the American market. DWTS is an immensely popular show with a huge audience. I know that immediately after Jackie's performance there her album sales got a huge boost (back up to #1 on the Classical chart). Katherine even got a significant bump simply from dancing there week after week (without even really singing) and the night of Katherine's injury on the show she was the #1 Google search item in the USA - and that situation continued into the following day, so appearing on that show gets you noticed. Now, having said that, a single appearance singing on DWTS will NOT serve to crack the American market for Hayley all by itself - but it WOULD be a significant step. I'm a big fan of CC and have been unhappy that CC has been essentially "dead" in the US (note the elimination of both the "Best Classical Album" and "Best CC Album" categories from the Grammies last year) - and I'm of the opinion that folks like Jackie and Katherine - and possibly Hayley - can go a long way towards revitlizing interest in the CC genre here in the US, and that ALL the CC artists are "on the same team" and so what's "good for one" here is "good for all" here. Jackie has already done a lot to revitilize interest in CC, Katherine now joining in can add yet another powerful factor in the fight to bring CC back, but CC fans of ALL the different artists need to really push to help their favorites succeed here. Regarding Classical Week itself - so far there has only been 2 such weeks on DTWS so it's hard to tell if there a pattern to when they have them but it appears like they may have Classical Weeks only during the spring run of the show (it has 2 "seasons" a year - in the spring and in the fall) - but don't wait until a "Classical Week" is announced - keep bringing up Hayley's name whether there's a Classical Week or not in the coming season. And above all, be ACTIVE fans in regards to promoting Hayley. I DO believe it CAN help to "lobby" for her on shows like DWTS - and the more exposure ANY CC artist gets, the better it is for ALL CC artists in regards to getting noticed here. There's a reason the US market is the most desirable one for singers to break into - it's HUGE, it's also notoriously hard to crack (especially for Classical singers - because the other (bigger) genres such as Pop, Rock & C/W so dominate the music industry here). Hope this info helps. Ken |
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Post by martindn on May 27, 2012 19:38:44 GMT
Hi Ken,
Hayley has alread had one crack at the US maket. I gather her backers got burned. So you can understand her reluctance to try it again, when there is another huge market, China and the far east, where Hayley seems to be doing rather better. Her wonderful language skills are perhaps something that will help her there, and wipe out a lot of the competition. That doesn't help her in the US. Not that Hayley has any competiton really, she is quite simply the best there is. But there is perceived competition. And not everybody has heard Hayley, so they latch onto others who are lesser singers.
And in any case, it is a question of how important huge success is to Hayley. I'm not convinced it is important at all, so long as she can make a living. Those who don't know and love her - it is their loss. She is for those who appreciate the best, and that is simply not the majority of people anyway. Most are too obsessed with image.
Martin D
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Post by lordbalfor on May 28, 2012 1:44:13 GMT
Hi Ken, Hayley has alread had one crack at the US maket. I gather her backers got burned. So you can understand her reluctance to try it again, when there is another huge market, China and the far east, where Hayley seems to be doing rather better. Her wonderful language skills are perhaps something that will help her there, and wipe out a lot of the competition. That doesn't help her in the US. Not that Hayley has any competiton really, she is quite simply the best there is. But there is perceived competition. And not everybody has heard Hayley, so they latch onto others who are lesser singers. And in any case, it is a question of how important huge success is to Hayley. I'm not convinced it is important at all, so long as she can make a living. Those who don't know and love her - it is their loss. She is for those who appreciate the best, and that is simply not the majority of people anyway. Most are too obsessed with image. Martin D And that may well be (ie that she's not interested in pursuing success in the US) BUT if she is, singing on DWTS gives you exposure to a HUGE audience. For Classical singers there is NO PLACE with a larger US audience (there are a few shows more popular but they wouldn't likely ever feature a Classical singer). Just something to keep in mind if Hayley ever decides she'd like to try again. Believe me I understand how HARD it is to crack the US market - especially for Classical singers. Personally I'd be thrilled if she did - as I said, I want success for CC in the US, and the more highly skilled and talented CC singers (of which Hayley is CLEARLY one) manage to "make it" in the US, the happier I'll be. Ken |
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Post by Libby on May 28, 2012 5:41:10 GMT
Martin and Ken, I don't believe Hayley is uninterested in pursuing success here. I remember in an article a year or two ago that she actually brought up the prospect of living in the US, saying she likes it here! Shocking, Martin, I know (since you seem to think she hates it here). But she's not kidding herself about it, either. If she had the chance to be a little more well-known here, I think she would like it. But things just haven't worked out for that to happen yet. I'll have to find that article... wait, here it is! It's from an article from Wales Online back in August 2010: There you have it, folks. :wink: She has been here twice since that article. And she's coming again in June. Let's hope there's more in the near future.  |
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Post by comet on May 28, 2012 8:42:55 GMT
Hi Ken and welcome to this forum, I think you are right, and a journey now matter how long, has to start with the first few steps, no matter how small they are. Fans should be active in a positive manner, no matter how small the action, it will have a reaction. Don't worry about the huge things you can't do and concentrate on the small things you CAN DO  Even the Tweets to Tom Bergeron - ie twitter.com/#!/tom_bergeron are being read by others and it may arouse their curiosity sufficiently to find out WHO Hayley is ? if they don't already know. We already have some very active members like Libby, constantly doing the small things, a mention here and there on other forums, a letter here and there to someone who may do something positive for Hayley's career. It all adds up. Any one of these small actions may in fact be the one which could hit "The Jackpot" or "Strike gold" To our active fans, keep at it, do not be disheartened by those with a negative position or temperament . |
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Post by lordbalfor on May 28, 2012 10:09:54 GMT
Hi Ken and welcome to this forum, I think you are right, and a journey now matter how long, has to start with the first few steps, no matter how small they are. Fans should be active in a positive manner, no matter how small the action, it will have a reaction. Don't worry about the huge things you can't do and concentrate on the small things you CAN DO Even the Tweets to Tom Bergeron - ie twitter.com/#!/tom_bergeron are being read by others and it may arouse their curiosity sufficiently to find out WHO Hayley is ? if they don't already know. We already have some very active members like Libby, constantly doing the small things, a mention here and there on other forums, a letter here and there to someone who may do something positive for Hayley's career. It all adds up. Any one of these small actions may in fact be the one which could hit "The Jackpot" or "Strike gold" To our active fans, keep at it, do not be disheartened by those with a negative position or temperament . Hi, Yes, you are exactly right - you never know what little event may lead to something bigger - every star got their break SOMEWHERE (and yes I know Hayley is ALREADY a star - but not yet HERE). Just look at the 2 artists I've already mentioned (ie Jackie Evancho and Katherine Jenkins) - Jackie's career was growing 2 years ago but a simple audition video to AGT (a show which has ALREADY rejected her TWICE) that was "submitted and then forgotten" by her dad turned out to be the charm. Likewise, a later return guest appearance on AGT (after she'd already hit success as a singer) happened to be viewed by Robert Redford - and the next thing you know Jackie is not just a singer, but is filming her 1st movie (playing Redford's daughter no less). Same sort of thing with Katherine. She'd been trying to crack the US market and made what (you would think) was a move that would give her a good chance of success (ie made an album with the the great David Foster - who has a tremendous record of success) but she still couldn't manage to make a name for herself here. Then - on a DANCE show of all things - she made the connection with the American people and BAM! she became a KNOWN figure and is now booking significant sized concert halls. The fact is you hit the nail right on the head - you just never know WHAT could be the spark that ignites mass interest in a star. Ken |
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Post by lordbalfor on May 28, 2012 10:22:54 GMT
Martin and Ken, I don't believe Hayley is uninterested in pursuing success here. I remember in an article a year or two ago that she actually brought up the prospect of living in the US, saying she likes it here! Shocking, Martin, I know (since you seem to think she hates it here). But she's not kidding herself about it, either. If she had the chance to be a little more well-known here, I think she would like it. But things just haven't worked out for that to happen yet. I'll have to find that article... wait, here it is! It's from an article from Wales Online back in August 2010: There you have it, folks. She has been here twice since that article. And she's coming again in June. Let's hope there's more in the near future. Hey Libby, While I have to admit that really have no idea just how interested Hayley is in pursuing a career here in the US, I think I CAN say that almost all singers what to reach the most people they can. This is just human nature - people generally like to be a success in their career. Aside from that, in show business there's the added factor that performance provides a "rush" for performers - it's one of the joys that performers get from their work. So again, while I can't speak from personal knowledge, I would think that Hayley WOULD like to be a success here in what is generally considered to be the "entertainment center of the world". It's a pretty normal thing for entertainers to want - and I would suspect that - even aside from her statements SAYING she'd like that - that Hayley would want that. It's just human nature to want to be as successful as possible at what you do. Ken |
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Post by martindn on May 28, 2012 18:12:55 GMT
Yes, I'm sure Hayley would like to be successful in the USA - what artist wouldn't. But I always feel that Hayley enjoys singing first of all, and sees that as her priority - becoming a celebrity might eventually come with the territory but I don't think that is a motivation for Hayley.
Katherine on the other hand, is more into celebrity. She is happy to do something other than singing to become known, perhaps hoping that once she is known, people will discover her music.
Hayley actually has a lot of fans in the USA. My YouTube channel Hayley videos get more hits from the USA than from any other country. I'm sure the potential is there, and maybe someday she will have another go - put perhaps to give something to her existing Hayley starved US fans would be the thing that would motivate her.
Martin D
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Post by stevemacdonald on May 28, 2012 22:57:04 GMT
While I happen to DOUBT that Katherine's exposure on American television thus far will prove that big a career boost, I most certainly DO feel her singing is what will make a lasting impression. If she can get booked on Dave Letterman or Jay Leno she will finally get the cannon-shot she deserves. Of course, they're going to have to DOWNPLAY the "opera star" label that was reinforced again and again on DWTS if she wants to be regarded more as a "crossover" singer.
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Post by lordbalfor on May 29, 2012 5:04:19 GMT
While I happen to DOUBT that Katherine's exposure on American television thus far will prove that big a career boost, I most certainly DO feel her singing is what will make a lasting impression. If she can get booked on Dave Letterman or Jay Leno she will finally get the cannon-shot she deserves. Of course, they're going to have to DOWNPLAY the "opera star" label that was reinforced again and again on DWTS if she wants to be regarded more as a "crossover" singer. She DID perform on Jay Leno on (I believe the date was) May 11th. It was just one of a whole slew of appearances she made as a result of her being on DWTS, She also appeared on "Good Morning America" (more than once I believe), on "The Late Show with Craig Ferguson", on "Live with Kelly" and on "Extra" - ALL of which came about because of her success on DWTS. That's my whole point. Prior to her dancing on DWTS she'd been essentially unable to be noticed by such shows. NOW she's KNOWN and she's been invited to the shows and now that she's a true celebrity here, she'll be invited back again. Her appearance on DWTS has changed her status from being an unknown to being a celebrity. NOW she'll be noticed. NOW when she has a new album out she'll be invited to perform on such shows - which in turn will help drive her sales. Am I expecting her to suddenly have "superstar" sales? Of course not - but they WILL be more than just an unnoticed blip now. NOW she should start making the Classical charts when her new albums debut. Show business - as with any business really - is all about exposure to your potential customers - and the more people who know about your "product" or "brand" the more customers you are likely to attract. Ken |
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Post by Libby on May 29, 2012 5:36:21 GMT
She was actually on Live with Kelly TWICE, with Mark Ballas. Once a few weeks before the finale, and then again a few days after the finale, along with the 3rd runners-up. I don't think she sang on the show, but Kelly Ripa did say, the first time, that she has an amazing voice, or something of that sort. So, yeah, this is definitely getting people to at least TRY her music.
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