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Post by Ross on Sept 25, 2015 6:45:40 GMT
TVNZ website has reported that a lot of people hate the current version of the song and 1500 people have signed a petition for ITV to change the singer. Some want the original version sung by Dame Kiri TeKanawa.
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Post by comet on Sept 25, 2015 8:35:02 GMT
Agreed. Laura is no Hayley, but at least she can sing in tune. I'm sure she wouldn't make me cringe the way Paloma does. This version is so bad it is a national embarrassment. Probably takes after her dad (or is it granddad) Adam.  He couldn't sing either. Martin D Martin, Hayley and Laura are now entirely different singers. Laura is now a very competent mezzo soprano and Hayley's voice would not be suited to much of Laura's repertoire. Hayley on the contrary sings in a lower register than she did as a teenager and therefore chooses songs that suits this situation, mostly to great effect. One could therefore argue that Hayley is no Laura!  Martin We should be grateful these singers are not alike, life would be very boring if all singers were more or less the same. The "Music Industry" would like us to think one is better or more popular than another. that one is currently more fashionable, that a certain style is "Out of date". to create competition where none is needed, there is room for all styles, you don't have to be a fan of all styles, but each has as much right to exist. |
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Post by martindn on Sept 25, 2015 20:50:26 GMT
Well, to be honest I've never understood or liked jazz, where it seems it is fashionable to sing out of tune. Deliberate it might be, but one can't help suspecting that that is a device to disguise a singers inability to sing in tune. Even the fabulous Eva Cassidy annoys me sometimes by deliberately I assume singing out of tune. It just grates on my ear.
World in Union needs to be sung in tune and this time it wasn't. So we might never know whether or not Paloma is capable of singing in tune. And Comet, you are right, jazz is a style I'm not really a fan of, although occasionally the genre comes up with something I enjoy, so you can never ever be sure from what it says on the tin. For example I enjoyed Hayley's jazzy exploit with the Gypsy Queens.
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Post by Simba on Sept 25, 2015 21:57:36 GMT
Well martin beyond not having understood or liked jazz I suspect you don't know or have never heard proper jazz. Jazz is one of the most difficult genres to sing as well as for any of the instrumentalists in the ensemble to play. It's definitely not simple and not everyone can sing Jazz. Have you listened to Frank Sinatra? That's jazz for you www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9ZGKALMMuc My apologies if you're already aware of this, but I don't think you would stereotype 'jazz singing' as singing out of tune otherwise. If you're talking about the glides they do where they tend to slide from one note to another, well that's not off-tune, the thereby becomes the tune of the song, each performance is unique in that manner, there's no particular 'melody', Jazz is not that simplistic. I don't see Hayley taking on a difficult jazz song and do justice, because you need a different kind of soul and a lot of experience to sing jazz. I can guarantee that a good jazz singer, has amazing vocal talent beyond jazz. However that's not to say Paloma is a great Jazz vocalist, I often restrain calling 'contemporary' jazz singers really true jazz singers....but that applies for any other genre too, look at Pop back then and now, haha. And Eva cassidy most certainly sings in tune, I'm not even sure what you mean by singing in tune now. Are you talking about improvisation? |
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Post by martindn on Sept 25, 2015 23:13:10 GMT
Yes, improvisation is part of it that's true. I'm sure that's what Eva does, but basically I'd prefer it if she didn't. It jolts you out of the enjoyment of her voice and makes you cringe a bit. Yes, I like Sinatra that is true, he is a great singer for sure. But he is pretty much in tune, just a bit of syncopation here and there. It is when they deliberately sing a wrong note that I don't like. Maybe they could sing the right note. Or in some cases maybe not. But for me it isn't clever, it is just wrong.
As for Paloma, she comes across as a poor man's Amy Winehouse to me. I'm sure she has her fans, but just as some people don't get Hayley, I don't get her.
Actually, I used to like Acker Bilk, Kenny Ball and "traditional jazz" in general. But that was a fad of the sixties. You don't hear it much now.
I had friends who used to rave about people like Miles Davis and Thelonius Monk, but I could never get my head around that stuff. Although I loved so-called "progressive rock", which had many jazz influences. Pink Floyd, Yes, Led Zep, early Genesis, even Mahavishnu Orchestra, there were jazz influences there for sure. But they were in tune. As soon as they depart from that, whether or not it is intentional, I switch off.
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Post by Libby on Sept 26, 2015 4:35:45 GMT
By improvisation, you mean when a singer sings a song live, and ends up singing certain notes a bit differently than they do on the CD? Well, in that case, Hayley has done that, as well. Prime example: Amazing Grace on her Live DVD. My sister loves her extra high note on the Pure recording, and everytime she hears a performance where Hayley alters it (which is nearly always), she likes to fuss about it. And this is the same sister who once called Hayley's singing "pretty screaming". LOL Despite calling it screaming, she apparently enjoyed the so-called "screaming"!  Another example that bothered me once was when she sang Both Sides Now in concert, I believe in 2012 in particular. She tried to be a little over-expressive. She sang a little too slow and at some parts almost seemed to make a word or 2 sound like talking "tears - and fears - and feeling... proud" The "proud" sounding extra low and flat at this part, like she was just talking. It made a song I already find a bit dull even more so (sorry, but I've just never been crazy about it). But this over-expressiveness could be due to the fact that in the past she was constantly criticized for singing with "no emotion". But she sang everything perfectly in Madison, and achieved that with a cold. And now, for today's tweet (there's at least one everyday): |
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Post by Richard on Sept 26, 2015 6:58:52 GMT
I listened to her other song that you posted, Paige, and there you definitely hear her talent, and now, I'm sure I've heard her voice somewhere before, or one similar. Hello Libby!  To me, Paloma Faith sounds exactly like Amy Winehouse, who died from alcohol poisoning in July 2011. Martin D noticed the similarity too. As far as I am aware, Paloma is not related to Adam Faith. Her real name is Paloma Faith Blomfield, and his was Terence Nelhams-Wright. Richard  |
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Post by Jeff on Sept 26, 2015 11:00:07 GMT
Well tonight sees the biggest match in this country for four years as England take on Wales and needless to say I shall be tuning in 3 minutes late to avoid hearing the introductory song by a singer in whom I have no faith !  |
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Post by martindn on Sept 26, 2015 21:19:37 GMT
n To me, Paloma Faith sounds exactly like Amy Winehouse, who died from alcohol poisoning in July 2011. Martin D noticed the similarity too. As far as I am aware, Paloma is not related to Adam Faith. Her real name is Paloma Faith Blomfield, and his was Terence Nelhams-Wright. Richard Didn't you notice the smiley Richard? I was taking the mick a bit there! Martin D |
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Post by Dave on Sept 27, 2015 0:10:30 GMT
Well tonight sees the biggest match in this country for four years as England take on Wales and needless to say I shall be tuning in 3 minutes late to avoid hearing the introductory song by a singer in whom I have no faith ! Hi Jeff, I bet you wish you hadn't tuned in at all now! Unless you have Welsh blood! Cheers, Dave  |
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Post by Libby on Sept 27, 2015 4:19:45 GMT
I never really heard Amy Winehouse much, at least not that I'm aware of; I've heard bits of the ridiculous Rehab song, but it's been years. So, if I have heard her in other songs, I didn't/don't know about it. Martin, maybe Richard thought other people might be interested know that the 2 "Faiths" aren't related. More tweets: Wow, I'm almost feeling sorry for Paloma.. but great for Hayley! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif |
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Post by Dave on Sept 27, 2015 13:47:50 GMT
The best RWC TV intro ever! I've also given our Youtube channel a bit of a makeover, and a new (optional) link to the channel: www.youtube.com/c/hwivideoCheers, Dave |
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Post by comet on Sept 28, 2015 10:17:24 GMT
I noticed Dave, It had me slightly confused for a few minutes, but that is easy to do these days  |
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Post by Jeff on Sept 28, 2015 17:40:58 GMT
Well tonight sees the biggest match in this country for four years as England take on Wales and needless to say I shall be tuning in 3 minutes late to avoid hearing the introductory song by a singer in whom I have no faith ! Hi Jeff, I bet you wish you hadn't tuned in at all now! Unless you have Welsh blood! Cheers, Dave Yes Dave. It seems the chariot is no longer swinging and the wheels have come off !  Any excuse for a song and it's one Ms Faith has yet to ruin !  We now have to get something out of the Australia game which won't be easy.  Lose that too and Chris Robshaw and Camilla Kerslake will be having an unexpected holiday in October !  |
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Post by Richard on Sept 29, 2015 8:00:53 GMT
Oh ye of little Faith!  Richard |
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He couldn't sing either.
Lose that too and Chris Robshaw and Camilla Kerslake will be having an unexpected holiday in October ! 