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Post by dazza on Jun 30, 2010 21:09:53 GMT
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Post by grant on Jun 30, 2010 21:58:11 GMT
Hi Dazza I thought a few people may be interested in this, an excellent article on the state of the England team - Basically - NO!  I'm too busy watching my grass grow!  Best wishes Grant |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 30, 2010 22:06:27 GMT
That's rather excellent. Thanks, Dazza  Can't say I agree with all of it, but it's certainly a lot better than most English newspapers have produced. I like that they're looking at what went wrong rather than just throwing blame around. |
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Post by Joe on Jun 30, 2010 23:19:44 GMT
Me too, mate, and no football tomorrow as well! I expect another nl-nil draw and penalty shootout, great teams in the quarterfinals. Cheers, Joe |
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Post by Richard on Jul 1, 2010 7:40:58 GMT
We should replace the England team with a single octopus. Eight good legs must be better than twenty two bad ones!  Richard  |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 1, 2010 11:45:18 GMT
We could just replace the England team with a lot of dead wood. Much cheaper, and would there be any difference?  |
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Post by I-H-F on Jul 1, 2010 15:10:49 GMT
It is amazing to see so much coverage of the aftermath of England's disappointing World Cup. Some blame the manager, others blame the players, the FA, the youth setup, the fact that there is not enough homegrown talent in the Premier League, the pressure on the players... the list goes on.
Yes, England didn't play well. On paper, they probably should have beaten teams like the USA and Algeria. The big players such as Gerrard, Lampard and Rooney didn't have good tournaments.
In all honesty, only one team can win the World Cup. The other 31 teams who don't win it, well, I guess they have ultimately failed.
But, I would like to know where England fans draw the line between success and failure? Would you have been satisfied had England played poorly, yet reached the semi-final or final? Would there have been as much talk about failure if England had played brilliantly against Germany, only to lose to a flukey goal?
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jul 1, 2010 16:16:25 GMT
I think I can put it best by comparing this sorry shower with England in Euro 96. We destroyed the Dutch 4-1 after everyone had hailed them as the future of football, then lost to Germany in the semis on penalties after one of the best matches I've ever seen - end to end the whole match and through extra time.
The English people were disappointed that we lost, of course - but no-one blamed players or manager for it. It was a terrific game, could have gone either way, and no-one could possibly doubt that the team had put everything they had into it.
We were proud of those guys. Win or lose, they'd done their very best. And no-one could ask for more than that.
Flash forward to now, and look at the games just past. Could anyone possibly think that the current England team tried their best? Even remotely? That they put heart and soul into trying? No!
There is no disgrace in losing to a great team like Germany and there never will be. But to not bother turning up for the match is unforgivable.
The line is not between success and failure; the line is between doing your best and just not bothering. Rightly or wrongly, the English feel their national team did not even bother to turn up. That's what makes them a national disgrace.
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Post by dazza on Jul 1, 2010 17:55:55 GMT
I think I can put it best by comparing this sorry shower with England in Euro 96. We destroyed the Dutch 4-1 after everyone had hailed them as the future of football, then lost to Germany in the semis on penalties after one of the best matches I've ever seen - end to end the whole match and through extra time. The English people were disappointed that we lost, of course - but no-one blamed players or manager for it. It was a terrific game, could have gone either way, and no-one could possibly doubt that the team had put everything they had into it. We were proud of those guys. Win or lose, they'd done their very best. And no-one could ask for more than that. Flash forward to now, and look at the games just past. Could anyone possibly think that the current England team tried their best? Even remotely? That they put heart and soul into trying? No! There is no disgrace in losing to a great team like Germany and there never will be. But to not bother turning up for the match is unforgivable. The line is not between success and failure; the line is between doing your best and just not bothering. Rightly or wrongly, the English feel their national team did not even bother to turn up. That's what makes them a national disgrace. Have to agree with this... although Euro 96 came just before my interest grew in football so I can't compare, France 98 is the first tournament I can remember - perhaps I am a bad omen! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifI have already said in this thread that I often come away from a Stoke game after a defeat and while being dissapointed I have not been too down because I know that every player has given 100%, unfortunaly I have never had that feeling with England. I see it week in week out at Stoke so I know when players are not giving their all. Poor performances can happen to the best of players and teams, but players giving 100%, you can't ask for much more than that. Dazza |
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Post by martindn on Jul 1, 2010 21:38:47 GMT
Well, I have to say I expected better from England. Although to be honest, Rooney has never impressed me as much as some people. Micheal Owen, when fit, was far better, so was Sheaer, so was Lineker (our local hero). We have a problem with strikers for sure. Then the defence. Way too slow to push forward against a team with pace at the front like Germany.
The midfied. Well, Gerrard and Lampard are class, but getting on a bit. In fact it would be interesting to compare the average age of the England team with that of Germany. I'm sure the Germans would be younger.
I think a rule that
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Post by martindn on Jul 1, 2010 21:42:12 GMT
Well, I have to say I expected better from England. Although to be honest, Rooney has never impressed me as much as some people. Micheal Owen, when fit, was far better, so was Sheaer, so was Lineker (our local hero). We have a problem with strikers for sure. Then the defence. Way too slow to push forward against a team with pace at the front like Germany.
The midfieLd. Well, Gerrard and Lampard are class, but getting on a bit. In fact it would be interesting to compare the average age of the England team with that of Germany. I'm sure the Germans would be younger.
I think a rule that limited the number foreign players in a premiership team (to say two) would help. But "Foreign" would I'm sure have by law to mean outsode the EU. Which defeats the object unless we enter a single EU team in the World Cup. Remember, I said it first!!!
Martin D
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Post by dazza on Jul 1, 2010 22:19:55 GMT
Hi Martin D,
A new rule is being brought in starting in forthcoming season. They can't limit foriegn players as that would be against EU law but what they are doing is limiting squad sizes.
At the start of the season, and again at the end of the January transfer window clubs will have to register a squad of 25 players, at least 8 of which have to be 'home grown'.
A 'home grown' player is someone who has spent at least 3 years between the ages of 16-21 at a club in England and Wales, there are flaws as under this rule - Cesc Fabregas for example is 'home grown', however this new rule will surely open the door for more English youngsters to come through as clubs will no longer be able to pack large squads with foreign imports.
Although there seems to be few English players coming through at the moment, the U21 team reached the final of the European Championship final in 2009 and the U17 team won the European Championships in 2010. I am excited about a few of the young players which are coming through - Joe Hart is one of the best young goalkeepers we have seen for years, I have been more impressed with Jack Rodwell everytime I have seen him, superb passer, he looks like he has been playing for years, I think he can really establish himself for Everton next season. Jack Wilshire is very exiting, technically gifted, very skilful, good passer with an eye for a goal, while Adam Johnson has the potential to become a star at Man City.
England do have an old team, especially compared with Germany who have a reltively young side. The team which beat England included four or five players from Germany's European Championship winning U21 side. It will be interesting to see how England's line up will change over the next year or so.
Dazza
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Post by gra7890 on Jul 1, 2010 22:32:40 GMT
I'm too busy watching my grass grow! With the lack of rain recently it will be making slow progress Graham |
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Post by gra7890 on Jul 1, 2010 22:53:35 GMT
I certainly expected better from England, I thought when it mattered they would perform .... sadly they didn't    Thanks for the link to the Irish Times article Dazza, I agree with it in the main but also think Capello did not make the right selections/substitutions etc., both before and during the Tournament. He selected on performance in the qualifiers and said he would never just select on reputation if they were not performing; pity he didn't do it for the tournament. In short it was a dismal performance from the whole squad that played ! We must remember that some that should have played never even made it on to the field, and some were left behind to watch it on TV ! Graham |
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Post by Jeff on Jul 2, 2010 11:20:50 GMT
If you watched "Mock the week" last night on BBC2 you will know that Capello played Heskey out of position, approxiamately 6500 miles out of position !! |
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