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Post by martindn on Mar 5, 2011 23:08:35 GMT
Hi Michal,
Or perhaps Jackie isn't really a Classical Crossover singer...
As an actual version of that aria it is a long way short of perfect, I've heard it sung much better. But for someone of her age to sing it as well as she did is pretty amazing, although I noticed she used quite a lot of reverb on her voice. A purist would not use a microphone of course.
Martin D
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Post by mihizawi on Mar 5, 2011 23:47:35 GMT
Yes, Marrtin, I thought it too, however, for now she calls herself Classical Crossover, and I think for now it's the best and wisest thing she can do, whatever her plans and wishes are for the future, as her skills really suit the ADULT standards of that genre. If she tried to say she is singing opera, that would certainly meet with many understandable critics, a 10 yearrs old singing opera? As you said it is far from perfect compared to opera singers... But, yeah, I can't help thinking that, at the pace she is improving, she will be able to do whatever she wants... she even could be one of the youngest opera singers in history... But, I think we've had this conversation with Nicola and for now we've been said that's not her plans...
And... you mean the reverb of the microphone? Well, that's a technic thing I don't think Jackie controls too much... But if you mean vibratto, yes, as it is baroque, the most "correct" and true to its time way of singing it is without or with a very light vibratto (Elin Manahan Thomas)... However, I am amazed even more, as she gets a more clear, baroque sound than in the O mio Babbino Caro, and a 10 year old girl getting right those differences is way beyond my understanding...
Michal
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Post by larryhauck on Mar 6, 2011 2:49:42 GMT
Yes, Marrtin, I thought it too, however, for now she calls herself Classical Crossover, and I think for now it's the best and wisest thing she can do, whatever her plans and wishes are for the future, as her skills really suit the ADULT standards of that genre. If she tried to say she is singing opera, that would certainly meet with many understandable critics, a 10 yearrs old singing opera? As you said it is far from perfect compared to opera singers... But, yeah, I can't help thinking that, at the pace she is improving, she will be able to do whatever she wants... she even could be one of the youngest opera singers in history... But, I think we've had this conversation with Nicola and for now we've been said that's not her plans... And... you mean the reverb of the microphone? Well, that's a technic thing I don't think Jackie controls too much... But if you mean vibratto, yes, as it is baroque, the most "correct" and true to its time way of singing it is without or with a very light vibratto (Elin Manahan Thomas)... However, I am amazed even more, as she gets a more clear, baroque sound than in the O mio Babbino Caro, and a 10 year old girl getting right those differences is way beyond my understanding... Michal Hi Michal I live in the states and the most that I hear about Jackie is here on the forum. The U S is quite a different place from your country. Jackie caught the attention of Americans briefly. Whether she can succed here in either of the disiplines you mentioned is very unlikely. Child stars and child singers come and go here like people through revolving doors. Larry |
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Post by Dennis S. on Mar 6, 2011 4:00:17 GMT
Hi Michal I live in the states and the most that I hear about Jackie is here on the forum. The U S is quite a different place from your country. Jackie caught the attention of Americans briefly. Whether she can succed here in either of the disiplines you mentioned is very unlikely. Child stars and child singers come and go here like people through revolving doors. Larry I won't discount her so quickly if I were you. Her EP sold well, if she can keep that up with her future albums she'll have a very successful career. Perhaps not to the degree of say, Taylor Swift, but she doesn't have to be. Besides, it's not even a year yet, we'll know more in 5 or 10 years. |
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Post by mihizawi on Mar 6, 2011 11:17:24 GMT
Well, Larry, let's not forget Jackie has had a deal with a big company, till the deal lasts, I think she will be more or less intensively promoted (at least within the standards of the genre) when she releases her albums, And afterwards, well, who knows, she may have established safely enough to continue to be big or she may not. What I am sure is that this girl was born to sing and she loves music, and with her talent, I am sure she'll get opportunities to sing whenever she wants, either if she is a big star or only a talented local artist, and as long as someone keeps recording it and uploading it on Youtube so the ones that appreciate her talent can enjoy it, it will be enough. She deserves to be big, she has really everything to be a star, but if she doesn't make it, I am sure it will not be the end of her singing carreer. And, of course, if the American market doesn't work, she can always try to focus n the much safer British Market (when she grows up enough to make that decision, of course).
Michal
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Post by martindn on Mar 6, 2011 21:52:02 GMT
Yes, I agree Michal, she has the talent to succeed for sure. But I do ask myself whether all this hype at so young an age is good for her career. Whilst she is young she is a novelty. So there is a lot of interest from folk who don't necessarily listen to that type of music.
The ones who do would I'm sure prefer to listen to a more mature singer.
As she gets older her singing should improve. But also, the novelty of being so young will disappear.
So at the point where her precocious talent turns into the real thing, and she becomes a serious musician, there is a risk that the public will lose interest. Perhaaps at the same time as the serious music lovers start to take notice.
After all, that is almost what has happened with Hayley. She is a much better singer now than she was at 15, put she still hasn't had a better selling album than Pure.
Martin D
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Post by nicola on Mar 6, 2011 22:57:25 GMT
Larry, Jackie just sold over a million albums and is making an album with David Foster. She's hardly being quiet, especially when she spends most of her time at school. I will say, again, Jackie has absolutely no intention or desire to turn to opera. Whilst I normally agree with the novelty of child singers and that they quickly disappear, I personally feel Jackie is here to stay. It doesn't matter if she's a child or an adult when she performs like this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tn4cvRINFY - she's an exceptional emotive performer, and I daresay she's going to be a very attractive young lady as she gets older. Jackie is a child but she's NOT a novelty. Sure, it got everyone's attention, but her foot is in the door now. As she gets older she'll have other marketable features to manipulate. Namely her incredible talent (who knows how incredible it will turn out to be) and her beautiful looks. |
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Post by nicola on Mar 6, 2011 23:01:21 GMT
And, huh, that's a well-known aria, but, Nicola, it isn't that much of a Classical Crossover standard, right? Which amazes me even more, for bringing new pieces to the genre. Michl Jackie's "Ombra Mai Fu" is the fifth CC rendition I know of, though the ones that have tackled it are extremely talented singers, such as Natasha Marsh, Yulia and Malena Ernman. |
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Post by mihizawi on Mar 6, 2011 23:51:57 GMT
I agree, Martin D, the novelty plays a big part when it comes to sell...But not only with young artists, for most of the artists the first album is the best-selling one and only the luckiest big stars get a second big-selling album. But both Hayley and Jackie have one advantage: they both have started very young and have all their life in front of them, and both are extremely talented and love music, if they have the patience to wait and go on with their careers (even if it means a little bit in the shadow), they have more chances for a second big moment than anyone else. For Hayley, this Ennio Morricone album seems to be such a chance, but honestly, she is 23, if this time ends up being not as big as we expect, I will not be worried thinking she may never sell that much again, I am pretty sure she'll have much more chances and she is established enough to wait for that moment. Same goes for Jackie, if she is able to establish herself as a solid artist like Hayley has done, I am sure AGT will not be the only thing she will be remembered for.
As for your distinction between the people who are not interested in her music but like her for the novelty and the ones who are more into her type of music, well, I agree on the first ones (although some cases may get an interest in the music through the novelty), on the second group I have to partially disagree with your statement "The ones who do would I'm sure prefer to listen to a more mature singer."... Yes, there are always some people who are not able to look over the imperfections of a young talent who has got much to learn, but there are many (I think even more than the previous ones) who emjpying the reliability of a mature artist, can appreciate a young, imperfect but talented beginner..Me, you, Nicola and many others here are examples, but I do think we are not a minority. And I don't think it's only about thinking of the promise of what she could be in the future, but also it is baout the appreciation in this way: "Hey, that singer may not be perfect, but she is good, loves the music I love and is putting lots of effort into what she is doing... and I appreciate it". At least it's how I think about that. Oh, and with Jackie, as Nicola pointed in her reviews, the point is that there are very few issues that not match adult standards (specially the breathing), but for most of it she is as good as, and in some aspects even better than, most many of the adult Classical Crossover artists, and that's what makes her so special.
Michal
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Post by Ross on Mar 7, 2011 5:58:46 GMT
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Post by Ross on Mar 7, 2011 6:28:22 GMT
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Post by mihizawi on Mar 7, 2011 17:37:58 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3xEDX-PMRY&feature=fvw - Jackie performing Silent Night the past december with the Canadian Tenors (Hayley performed with thhem Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah some months ago)... Very nice video, stunning yet relaxed performance by Jackie and the four men are really humble to allow little Jackie to be the leading voice on most of the song, Jackie seems to like them a lot too. And it kind of connects even more Jackie to Hayley... so, when a duet? Michal
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Post by rjstf on Mar 21, 2011 15:00:03 GMT
Jackie has now sung this year in three venues. First Houston, from which the performance of "Lovers" linked above was performed, followed by Boca Raton and finally, this past Saturday at Muhammed Ali's charity event called Fight Night. Meanwhile, she has been recording songs with David Foster for her new CD.
I witnessed her performance in Boca Raton, Florida. Even though I didn't have the best seat, her voice was loud and clear. She has a gorgeous tone to her voice, which is getting ever stronger. The songs sung there included Lovers, Ombra Mai Fu, Oh Mio Babbino Caro, All I Ask From You from Phantom of the Opera, and Nessun Dorma. All were listed as David Foster arrangments. The Nessun Dorma was very powerful and received a loud standing ovation. This event had an operatic theme, so that is one reason her songs were more in that direction. However, Foster's arrangements make them suitable for a crossover singer, which is where Jackie is determined to be.
On the videos coming from the Muhammed Ali event, David Foster can be heard saying they had recorded 19 songs together, but Jackie's voice is improving so rapidly, he feels like doing the earlier ones over again.
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Post by mihizawi on Mar 21, 2011 17:57:11 GMT
Just heard her. OMG, in All I Ask Of you she sounds almost tenor-like, singing so low and with such a timbre... And then, in O Mio Babbino Caro, she is back to her (rather dramatic) soprano sound... That girl will never stop surprising me!
Michal
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Post by larryhauck on Mar 22, 2011 2:34:20 GMT
Hi Gang
Well I haven't been on much lately so I thought I'd add my two cents in on Jackie..
I've only heard her on you tube and she sounds terrific. But I'm worried about her burning out by over stressing not yet fully developed vocal cords.
As an analogy ,which may or not be comprable to Jackie . I'd like to tell you what happened to me when as a youngster who wanted to pitch on the school baseball team so badly that I worked feverishly developing my curve ball. I was certain a curve ball pitcher at age 9 would be assured a spot on the team roster. My older brother warned me that I could permanently damage my arm since my joints were still developing and easily damage if overstressed. Well I didn't heed his warning and I wrecked my shoulder for life. Three rotator cuff operations the last just two years ago.
I pray that Foster isn't pushing Jackie too fast. He is a successful promoter and they call him The Hitman. I'm happy that Jackie is having so much success. I just hope the price she may have to pay for her early success will not be too high.
Larry
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