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Post by comet on Jun 24, 2016 6:45:05 GMT
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Post by Richard on Jun 24, 2016 6:46:46 GMT
I blame Boris Johnson. He's screwed up London for the last eight years, and now he's screwing up the whole of Europe!  Richard  |
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Post by comet on Jun 24, 2016 7:26:52 GMT
Maybe we could all cash in our chips and retire to New Zealand and read Janet Frame.
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Post by Martin on Jun 24, 2016 7:35:53 GMT
Maybe we could all cash in our chips and retire to New Zealand and read Janet Frame. Yes, but the value of our chips has just plummeted! |
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Post by Jeff on Jun 24, 2016 9:32:32 GMT
I didn't think political discussion was allowed ! I suppose now the vote has happened it's not a matter of controversy anymore is it ?  |
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Post by martindn on Jun 24, 2016 11:02:56 GMT
Reminds me of a Genesis song..
"Oh No, this I can't believe.
Oh No, they're asking us to leave"
PM has resigned already. Boris will be PM in a few weeks.
Martin D
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Post by Martin on Jun 24, 2016 13:54:02 GMT
I didn't think political discussion was allowed ! I suppose now the vote has happened it's not a matter of controversy anymore is it ? Jeff, I think in this instance the topic is bejond politics as it involves the sovereignty of the UK. My worst nightmare now is seeing both Boris and Donald in charge.  Martin |
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Post by Dave on Jun 24, 2016 15:08:25 GMT
Yes, as long as we don't start making 'personal' remarks at each other, it's OK to discuss, in this Off Topic thread.
I too was in favour of staying in the EU (as the lesser of two evils) but in England and Wales outside London, there was a large majority wanting to leave. The people have spoken and I accept it. Democracy in action, it can be a bit scary sometimes though and this is one such time I think. We must beware the law of unintended consequences!
Cheers, Dave
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Post by martindn on Jun 24, 2016 16:02:04 GMT
The danger now is that the divisions that this has created continue. Now is not the time for crowing, or for being a bad loser. Now is the time for thinking about the future, and how we can use our new situation to make this country a better place. We will all need to work together to do that.
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Post by Richard on Jun 25, 2016 6:54:01 GMT
Yes, before too long the UK will just be the United Kingdom of England and Wales, with Scotland an independent country and Northern Ireland reunited with the Republic.  Richard  |
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Post by grant on Jun 25, 2016 17:46:45 GMT
This is a sad day for The UK. It looks like the Labour vote has turned it.  On the Contrary Martin, it was a great result. We get our country back! Yes, there will be a period of uncertainty but the FTSE is up 2 from Monday and sterling is rallying and will soon regain its strength as it always does. I gather Obama and Germany now want bi-lateral trade agreements (Woopee!) and Korea, India and Canada also want the same. We're the 5th most powerful nation for heavens sake. The EU hasn't been a "Union" for many years and every day becomes more of a dictatorship. had we stayed a member, my worry was that we would loose what little influence we have at the moment. Within a few years the NHS, the £ and everything else that Junker don't like would be just a distant memory. Even now, the EU is trying to bully the UK into signing Article 50 to get the process moving. Oh! And I also hear that the Netherlands are now considering a Referendum - how many more will follow? (that will be another 4 then!) |
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Post by Dave on Jun 25, 2016 23:40:33 GMT
The problem is, Grant, that to quote Martin D above: "The danger now is that the divisions that this has created continue". This is a definite risk because of the way the voting split both geographically and by age. London and Scotland (around 62:38 to remain) versus most of the rest of England. And agewise, the breakpoint is about 45 where it's about 50:50. Below that age, 18-24s voted 73:27 to remain; 25-34 were 62:38 to remain. Whereas the over 45s averaged about 58:42 to leave - a much smaller margin but more of them voted. That's a huge generation gap and I would not be surprised to find resentment persisting among the young; our future. I find that to be a sad state of affairs. Dave |
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Post by Richard on Jun 26, 2016 6:51:45 GMT
The biggest problem now is that Boris Johnson will almost certainly be Prime Minister by the autumn. In the wake of his epic failure as Mayor of London, he's got no chance of getting a grip with the whole country, and it will be his job to sort out our future position in Europe!  Richard  |
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Post by Martin on Jun 26, 2016 9:50:38 GMT
I am not going to comment any further on the referendum result or indeed what lies in the future other than to say that no one knows what is going to happen. To do so would be sheer speculation. However, does it now mean we can pull out of the European Song Contest?  Martin |
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Post by martindn on Jun 26, 2016 12:15:19 GMT
We can do away with all those inferior standards that the EU imposed on us. Back to pounds, shillings and pence, feet and inches, Fahrenheit degrees.  Martin D |
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