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Post by Paddy on Jul 1, 2009 19:22:33 GMT
Hi All In the spirit of the competition being a bit of fun, the Staff teams have agreed that in drawing up the shortlist with a maximum of eleven people to vote in this round, if the Site Photographers were unable to vote for their own if they genuinely believe it was merited, it would put them at a disadvantage. I have therefore changed the original rule to now allow them to vote for their own photos (as they would be able to do in the open poll anyway). Martin Hi Martin, This was meant to be a 'fun' competition (and I'm not sure who the 'Site Photographers' are) but, just in the interests of being helpful and so that things can seem fair to all, let me make two suggestions: Anybody with a photo entered in the competition should not be on any selection committee and Anybody with a photo entered in the competition should not be be allowed to vote for his/her own photo. Paddy |
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Post by Jono on Jul 2, 2009 0:22:37 GMT
just in the interests of being helpful and so that things can seem fair to all, let me make two suggestions: Anybody with a photo entered in the competition should not be on any selection committee and Anybody with a photo entered in the competition should not be be allowed to vote for his/her own photo. Paddy Hi Paddy, Sorry but I disagree with you. I think to be fair, the judges should be able to vote for their own photos, otherwise photos - which may be very good - would be underrepresented (even if by only one vote). There isn't any prize linked to this competition, so unless the judges are really "pride hungry", there wouldn't really be any motivation to be opportunistic. At the end of the day, this competition is just working out which photos us HWI members favor the most. Jono |
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Post by Paddy on Jul 2, 2009 1:07:30 GMT
just in the interests of being helpful and so that things can seem fair to all, let me make two suggestions: Anybody with a photo entered in the competition should not be on any selection committee and Anybody with a photo entered in the competition should not be be allowed to vote for his/her own photo. Paddy Hi Paddy, Sorry but I disagree with you. I think to be fair, the judges should be able to vote for their own photos, otherwise photos - which may be very good - would be underrepresented (even if by only one vote). There isn't any prize linked to this competition, so unless the judges are really "pride hungry", there wouldn't really be any motivation to be opportunistic. At the end of the day, this competition is just working out which photos us HWI members favor the most. Jono Hi Jono, Perhaps your need to qualify your views supports mine. Possible under-representation of the 'best' photos seems to me much less likely to undermine the 'fun' element of the 'competition' than does the potential lack of credibility. 'Working out which photos we members favour the most' might best be done without any risk of favouritism. Paddy |
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Post by stevemacdonald on Jul 2, 2009 4:42:58 GMT
...At the end of the day, this competition is just working out which photos us HWI members favor the most. ... I would hope that initially the judges are looking beyond popularity and are seeking to judge on the basis of artistic merit. The two considerations overlap, but it might be that a certain photo is deemed especially praiseworthy because it makes an interesting statement on top of being an excellent picture of Hayley. I was awestruck at some of the inclusions. I'd forgotten how amazing they were and it seems that every picture is a winner on some level. As I've said before, the artistry on display in this competition equals or exceeds that of the "official" material that her label has published. At the end of the day, the brilliance of several of the photos is mind blowing. I sure wouldn't want to be on the panel tasked with narrowing the field to the final selection group. |
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Post by Jono on Jul 2, 2009 9:43:48 GMT
Hi Paddy,
I'm not sure how allowing judges to vote for their own photos takes away any of the "fun" element? Maybe you could elaborate on that one.
Steve,
Yes, I do see your point...but ultimately this competition is about popularity and not artistic merit. If it were about artistic merit we would have photography/ art experts judging right to the final stage, but in this case we are having a HWI-wide poll to work out favorites (after the shortlist of course). But I definitely do see your point, all of the photos are brilliant, hence there needs to be some kind of defining factor which determines the "shortlist".
Jono
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Post by Paddy on Jul 2, 2009 10:35:11 GMT
Hi Paddy, I'm not sure how allowing judges to vote for their own photos takes away any of the "fun" element? Maybe you could elaborate on that one. Jono Fairly obvious I think. Seems to me to be taking the voting element far too seriously - even down to the very last vote (as you said yourself). Indeed, in any voting situation, it is normal practice that judges declare potential vested interests ....... in the interests of credibility. And any perceptions (real or imaginary) of lack of credibility would be likely to eliminate whatever fun there was. Paddy |
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Post by Martin on Jul 2, 2009 10:54:33 GMT
Hi Everyone There has been some recent discussion regarding the fairness of the competition and in particular whether or not photographers should be allowed to vote for their own photos. Please be assured the competition is being run as fairly as possible and that there is no bias or favouritism whatsoever operating within the Staff teams. I would ask that all members support the competition as it was originally intended which is to highlight the magnificent contribution that all photographers have made to the Forum over the years. The fact that there will be one eventual winner is really secondary to this objective. In my book you are all winners and I am sure Hayley would agree! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifIt is really too late to start changing the basis for the competition so please support the poll which starts next week and let’s all congratulate not just the winners but also everyone who has taken photos of Hayley and posted them to the Forum. Thanks Martin |
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Post by martindn on Jul 2, 2009 22:25:54 GMT
Hi Martin,
Yes, I agree absolutely. There are some fabulous photos there, and I'm sure everyone will have their favourites, so narrowing it down is not a task I would envy.
But in the end the winner is less important than the competition, which reminds us of some wonderful photos we might not have seen for a while, or ever.
BTW how long will voting be possible. I ask since I might not have much internet access for the next two weeks, and I would like the chance to vote!
Martin
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Post by Martin on Jul 4, 2009 15:03:47 GMT
Hi Martin
The forum poll will be open from Monday evening for two weeks so I hope you will be able to vote at some time.
Best wishes
Martin
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Post by Martin on Jul 4, 2009 15:14:32 GMT
Hi Everyone
Just a quick update on the progress to draw up the shortlist.
120 votes have been independently cast by the staff members and, surprisingly, it has been very straightforward. Eleven photos gained the most votes from the initial member submission of 60 and the final twelfth photo required for the forum poll was selected by adding up the votes by the senior staff members from the next set of highest voted photos.
All results were checked by Roger and I will now be setting up the main forum poll for Monday evening.
Martin
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Post by roger on Jul 6, 2009 20:05:12 GMT
Hi everyone, Now that Martin has set up the poll for the competition, I am locking this thread. To vote, or to continue any discussion, please click here. Thanks, Roger |
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