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Post by petertong on May 10, 2009 0:48:28 GMT
Just saw this... I did Hayley's pedigree about 2 years back... and have kept on working on it on and off during spare time. The Captain Westenra that originally came from Ireland to New Zealand was from Kinsale in Ireland.
As far as the original Westenra's that came from Holland. There were 3 Westenra's that were naturalized citizens in 1662...
The act of naturalization states:
"An Act for the naturalizing of Derricke Westenra, Merchant, Peter Westenra, Son to said Derricke, Warner Westenra, Merchant...."
Best I know they came from the Amsterdam area... (i derive this from a court case I found against one of the original Westenras) and then prior to that from an area close to the German/Dutch border...
Hayley is also of lots of English ancestry.
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Post by stevemacdonald on May 10, 2009 12:22:07 GMT
Don't forget she has Maori ancestors, too.
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Post by petertong on May 10, 2009 19:05:53 GMT
I'd love to find out more about Hayley's Maori ancestors, what they did, the challenges they faced, etc... but I pretty much only researched Hayley's paternal side... Hayley's paternal side can easily be taken back to William the Conquerer and much further back on so many lines its not funny - mostly because it goes into nobility rather quickly... ie good records... Hayley does look a bit like the first Westenra's that came to NZ though... same nose  They owned rather vast tracts "runs" of land in the Canterbury area... which was named Camla... after some of the Westenra property in Ireland which was also named Camla... Yeah, the Maori side would be very interesting. It would be interesting to see if she and Elizabeth Marvelly are related somehow on the Maori side.... |
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Post by martindn on May 10, 2009 22:27:58 GMT
Nobility? I always knew she was a princess!
Martin
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Post by stevemacdonald on Jun 1, 2009 6:02:20 GMT
...Hayley does look a bit like the first Westenra's that came to NZ though... same nose They owned rather vast tracts "runs" of land in the Canterbury area... And here's a cool link that mentions these Westenras from way back: canterburyheritage.blogspot.com/2008_11_01_archive.html |
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Post by Richard on Jun 1, 2009 7:38:19 GMT
Hello Steve!  I'm pleased to see that Hayley had an ancestor named Richard. It's also interesting to note how the name Gerald runs in the family. Richard  |
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Post by petertong on Jun 4, 2009 6:37:50 GMT
haha... yes Captain Richard Westenra... is Hayley's 4th great grandfather He served with the 7th regiment of fusiliers... and was also a member of the provincial council of the town of ChristChurch... Died in February 2nd, 1880 in Camla, NZ... As best as I can tell he was originally from County Cork, Ireland... There was also another Richard Westenra, born around the same time... but died an early death... he was the son of the 2nd Baron Rossmore and his wife Mary Ann Walsh... There are some Geralds/Fitzgeralds but lots of Warners and Derricks A daughter of the original Warner Westenra, Elizabeth, married Simon Digby the Bishop of Elphin... and some of their descendants I actually traced to Arkansas, USA interestingly enough... |
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Post by stevemacdonald on Jun 24, 2009 18:32:49 GMT
Here's some more of that Irish geneology:
Families covered: Westenra of Monaghan, Westenra Lords Rossmore
The following family is a branch of the family of Van Wassenaer of Wassenburgh, Holland. 3 brothers settled in Ireland temp Charles II (who r. 1649-1685).
?? Westenra
1. Warner Westenra of Dublin, later of Clonleagh, Breekennagh & Lyagh, King's County (d 1676)
m. Elizabeth Wybrantz
A. Henry Westenra
m. (1700) Eleanor Allen (dau of Sir Joshua Allen, sister of John, 1st Viscount)
i. Warner Westenra
m. (13.12.1738) Hester Lambart (dau of Richard, 4th Earl of Cavan)
a. Henry Westenra of Monaghan (b 12.01.1742)
m. (01.12.1764) Harriet Murray (dau of Col. John Murray by Mary, dau/coheir of Sir Alexander Cairnes, 1st Bart)
(1) Warner William Westenra, 2nd Lord Rossmore of Monaghan (b 14.10.1765, d 10.08.1842)
Warner inherited the Barony from a maternal uncle, Robert Cuninghame, by special remainder.
m1. (03.10.1791) Mary Anne Walsh (d 12.08.1807, dau of Charles Walsh of Walsh Park by Sarah Simpson)
(A) Henry Robert Westenra, 3rd Lord Rossmore (b 24.08.1792, d 01.12.1860) had issue
m1. (25.01.1820) Anne Douglas-Hamilton (dsp 20.08.1844, natural dau of Douglas Hamilton, 8th Duke of Hamilton)
m2. (19.05.1846) Josephine Julia Helen Lloyd (d 12.09.1912, dau of Henry Lloyd of Farrinrory (by Harriet Amelia, dau of Sir John Craven Carden, Bart), m2. Lt. Col. George William Stacpoole)
(B) Richard Westenra (b 21.02.1796, d 09.06.1838) had issue (3 daus)
m. (08.06.1822) Henrietta Scott (d 1860, dau of Henry Owen Scott of Scotstown, m2. Lt. Col. Arthur G. Lewis)
(C) John Craven Westenra of Sharavogue, Sheriff of King's County (b 31.03.1798, d 05.12.1874) had issue (1 dau)
m1. (31.03.1834, sp) Eleanor Mary Jolliffe (d 17.12.1838, dau of William Jolliffe, widow of Sir Gilbert East, Bart)
m2. (23.07.1842) Anne Daubuz (d 05.07.1882, dau of Louis Charles Daubuz)
(D) Marianne Westenra (d 14.02.1844)
m. (17.07.1824) Samuel Gist Gist of Wormington Grange
(E)+ other issue - Charles (b 23.08.1800, d unm), others (d young)
m2. (03.06.1819) Augusta Charteris (d 28.07.1840, dau of Fancis, Lord Elcho, sister of Francis, 7th Earl of Wemyss)
(2) Henry Westenra (b 01.06.1770, Lt. Colonel)
m. (1829) Anna Corry (dsp 08.01.1831, dau of Isaac Corry of Abbey Yard, Newry)
(3) Mary Frances Westenra
m. (14.02.1788) Sir John Craven Carden, Bart
(4) Harriet Esther Westenra (d 16.12.1858)
m. (17.04.1797) Hon. Edward Wingfield (Colonel)
b. Richard Westenra had issue
m. (05.01.1773) Bridget Warren (dau of Jacob Pepard Warren of Laragh)
c. Joshua Westenra (Lt. Colonel)
m. Amelia Dodd of Swallowfield
d. Castiliana Westenra
m1. _ Dodd (Captain)
m2. Sir Edward Crosbie, Bart
e. Eleanor Westenra
m. Daniel Lewis
f.+ other issue - Joshua (RN), Peter
ii. Peter Westenra (dsp 1788, minister, 3rd son)
m. ?? (Mrs. Bernard)
iii. Elizabeth Westenra
m. William Weldon
iv. Jane Westenra (d 05.1788)
m. (1734) John Monckton, 1st Viscount Galway
v.+ other issue - Henry (d unm, Captain), Penelope
B. Elizabeth Westenra
m. Simon Digby, Bishop of Elphin
2. Derek Westenra
A. Peter Westenra (dsp?)
3. Peter Westenra
Main source(s): BP1934 (Rossmore)
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What this tells me is that the name Lucy Westenra, a character in the book "Dracula", might have been inspired by someone its author knew, since he -- Bram Stoker himself -- hailed from Dublin, Ireland, which certainly had its share of Westenras.
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Post by I-H-F on Jun 24, 2009 19:09:16 GMT
It looks like Hayley does come from nobility. The Westenra's seemed to be powerful people in the Monaghan area of Ireland. The Westenra Arms Hotel in the town centre is an indication of that.
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Post by petertong on Jun 25, 2009 0:17:23 GMT
Hi guys, Hayley does descend from nobility in many many ways... so as such she is distantly related to Winston Churchill, Lady Diana, etc... its a rather fabulous tree actually... I've been researching how exactly the NZ Westenra's (specifically Captain Richard) fit into the Irish Westenra's off and on when I have time... between doing my friends trees and I think I've finally got it figured out... was difficult... but i need to do a bit more research to confirm it I'd normally have no problems posting a link to Hayley's tree since by now she is a public figure... but still have reservations for some reason and I'm not sure if Roger would be too happy with my doing it *here*. If any of you are into genealogy however you will be able to find it reasonably quick since it is "out there" (and has been for about 2 months)... you will have to go looking for it though because I'm not going to post it i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifIts been an aweful lots of fun... the Westenra family is quite interesting to say the least. best regards, Peter T. PS: the Gist's (see above) are an interesting family... one of them, a Samuel Gist - a partner with George Washington, came to North American in the tobacco trade (he had a large Virginia plantation with lots of slaves). After he passed away, in his will he freed all his slaves and that is an interesting story in itself. His heir ended up being a cousin of his, Josiah Sellick (adopted the name Samuel Gist Gist) who married Mary Anne Westenra above... |
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Post by petertong on Jun 25, 2009 0:33:22 GMT
The Westenra family pretty much owned vast swathes of Monaghan... they were very large landowners... them and the Leslie family... as of the mid 1800s I think they owned 14839 acres at least... It looks like Hayley does come from nobility. The Westenra's seemed to be powerful people in the Monaghan area of Ireland. The Westenra Arms Hotel in the town centre is an indication of that. |
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Post by stevemacdonald on Jun 25, 2009 1:13:59 GMT
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Post by Richard on Jun 25, 2009 7:29:01 GMT
Thanks for the link, Steve! I see there are no Geralds in the list, so perhaps we should nominate Hayley's dad for a knighthood.  Richard |
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Post by roger on Jun 25, 2009 9:04:14 GMT
I'd normally have no problems posting a link to Hayley's tree since by now she is a public figure... but still have reservations for some reason and I'm not sure if Roger would be too happy with my doing it *here*. ... Thank you, Peter. Perhaps I should explain my views on that. I know details of Hayley's ancestry can be found online but it requires some fairly significant research. To put those details on a forum that is dedicated to her makes it a little too easy for her fans to see. I haven't discussed this with the family but my guess is that it might be acceptable to post details of anyone from about a hundred years ago or more, or a little more recent if they and at least one previous generation have died. Anything more recent and certainly details of anyone still living should not be posted here. To do so, I feel, would be an invasion of their privacy even if it does appear elsewhere. Thanks, Roger |
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Post by petertong on Dec 29, 2009 9:42:36 GMT
Hi Roger, I finally (after much digging) figured out how Hayley's New Zealand Westenra clan tied into the Irish Westenra clan... the branch that Hayley descends from was in Ireland for 5 generations since coming from Holland... then one of the sons (an army captain) emigrated to New Zealand in 1850 (bought over 20,000 acres there originally) and its been 5 generations of Westenra's since in NZ down to Hayley. We are talking about 409 or so years worth of Westenras here in total wow... this has been a bunch of work i tell you! blessings, Peter |
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