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Post by Andrew on Aug 13, 2006 12:41:35 GMT
Maybe not but it was Hayley who made it world famous. Are you saying that singers in general should not sing anything that has been recorded by anybody else? Surely that would end the careers of 90 per cent of the singers of the world.  Roger No. I was simply saying that if I were to appreciate another version of Pokarekare Ana, it would not be like how I appreciate the original version of Wuthering Heights because Hayley did not write it. Hello portia, To my knowledge 'Pokarekare Ana' is a traditional Maori song. If that's the case there's no way it can be compared to 'Wuthering Heights' since the latter is a contemporary song. Like Roger says, Hayley has really made 'Pokarekare Ana' world famous. Whether Hayley had written the song or not, I doubt whether any other artist would be able to follow this up!  Andrew |
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Post by jons on Aug 13, 2006 13:30:35 GMT
The problem with the Wuthering Heights video was the only way to watch it was a low res video on the Internet. But this morning, I switched on to ClassicFm TV and the video was on!! They have put it back on the playlist. It reminded me how hauntingly beautiful Hayley was in that video. I have to say that Hayley's version is better. If you prefer Kate's then thats fine, but I know which one I prefer.  |
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Post by Steve H on Aug 13, 2006 13:51:09 GMT
I wonder how you would react to a cover version of Pokarekare Ana? do you think anybody could better Hayley's signature tune? Steve But Pokarekare Ana is not Hayley's original creation. Hi Portia, I was aware that Pokarekare Ana was not Hayley's creation that is why I said "her signature" . I guess we all have our own opinions on Wuthering Heights, i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif the general consensus here seems to be that Hayley's version is better than Kate's, but that is what I would expect on a board dedicated to the following, furtherance and support of Hayley. Best Wishes Portia, take care  Steve H |
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Post by Dave on Aug 13, 2006 18:04:17 GMT
Maybe not but it was Hayley who made it world famous. Are you saying that singers in general should not sing anything that has been recorded by anybody else? Surely that would end the careers of 90 per cent of the singers of the world. Roger No. I was simply saying that if I were to appreciate another version of Pokarekare Ana, it would not be like how I appreciate the original version of Wuthering Heights because Hayley did not write it. Hi Portia and everyone, The definitive version of a song is very often not recorded by the composer. For a start, many composers cannot sing! Are you suggesting that you cannot fully appreciate such songs because the composer does not sing it? And there plenty of examples where the generally accepted definitive version of a singer-songwriter song was recorded by someone else. Both Sides Now for example, written by Joni Mitchell - but many people will cite Judy Collins' version as their "definitive" version. Another example that few people dispute is "Fields of Gold" written and performed by Sting. The later arrangement and performance by Eva Cassidy is generally thought to be the definitive version and this includes, I think, Sting himself. For me and, I feel, most people who know the song, Hayley's version of Pokarekare Ana is the definitive version - but obviously, not everyone will agree. However, in the case of Wuthering Heights, much as I like Hayley's version (though I have always felt it's a bit out of place on Pure) I do think that most people still see Kate Bush's original version as the definitive version. But I think Hayley's video of it beats Kate's video. Cheers, Dave |
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Post by jons on Aug 13, 2006 19:41:31 GMT
Hayley's version is certainly my favorite. However I don't mind at all if anyone prefers the original. We shouldn't force people into loving one version more over the original (Love it! (waves fist) LOVE IT!! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif). But I'm going to say something now and I know people are going to hate me for it...... I don't like 'Pokarekare Ana'! I think its boring (Billy Connelly sung it on his New Zealand tour programme, by the way). I like just about everything else Hayley has sung, but not the song that made her famous. I would sooner listen to Hine e Hine which I think is much better. I'm sorry about that but I can't bring myself to like it.  |
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Post by roger on Aug 13, 2006 19:53:41 GMT
Hi Jon, Nobody is going to hate you for not liking 'Pokarekare Ana'. Admittedly I am surprised but I accept that we all favour different songs. It is actually good for a forum such as this that your opinion differs from that of others. If we all agreed on everything, we would have very little to talk about. Roger |
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Post by Andrew on Aug 13, 2006 19:55:10 GMT
Hayley's version is certainly my favorite. However I don't mind at all if anyone prefers the original. We shouldn't force people into loving one version more over the original (Love it! (grasps fist) LOVE IT!! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif). But I'm going to say something now and I know people are going to hate me for it...... I don't like 'Pokarekare Ana'! I think its boring (Billy Connelly sung it on his New Zealand tour programme, by the way). I like just about everything else Hayley has sung, but not the song that made her famous. I would sooner listen to Hine e Hine which I think is much better. I'm sorry about that but I can't bring myself to like it. Hi jons! You've probably offended just about everybody in New Zealand... Be it on your own head! You had better watch out! I love 'Pokarekare Ana'... although I'm very glad I missed Billy Connolly's rendition of the song! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif'Hine e Hine' puts me to sleep... but that song is SUPPOSED to!  Regards, Andrew |
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Post by roger on Aug 13, 2006 20:10:22 GMT
Kate Bush used to like flying kites,
In the rain on dark stormy nights.
She got struck by lightning;
That must have been frightening.
And that's how she got Wuthering Heights!
Anon
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Post by thomas on Aug 13, 2006 21:02:55 GMT
I'm not a big fan of Kate Bush although I like her song "Running up that Hill" very much. But actually cover songs generally can be quite good. Every band or singer that writes their own songs cover other artists. Many times the original is better but there are also many cover songs that are way better than the original. "Wuthering Heights" from Hayley is one example where the cover version is much better. "May it be" is the next example for a better cover version which is again sung by ... guess who ... Hayley of course.  But let's go back to "Running up that Hill". There is a great cover version sung by the Dutch band "Within Temptation". That is a rock version of this song. But I can imagine Hayley can make an even better version of it. Hayley singing "Running up that Hill". That is a cover version I would very much like to hear. Thomas |
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Post by Andrew on Aug 13, 2006 22:09:36 GMT
Kate Bush used to like flying kites, In the rain on dark stormy nights. She got struck by lightning; That must have been frightening. And that's how she got Wuthering Heights! Anon Hi Roger! OK 'There Goes Another Tenner' so who paid you to say that? Whilst you were enjoying your 'Homeground Coffee' Did you receive a letter signed 'Babooshka' telling you 'The Man With The Child in His Eyes' that 'L'Amour Looks Something Like You' ? You had better get 'Moving' and start 'Running Up That Hill' before 'Them Heavy People' catch up with you after the 'Hounds of Love' track you down. The dogs might seem playful at first but they won't be 'Sat in Your Lap' for long. 'James and the Cold Gun' may show up with the 'Army Dreamers' and there could be a 'Hammer Horror'. We'd rather keep you 'Breathing' so you could attend a 'Full House' at some more Christmas concerts. That way you might still be able to say 'Wow' how 'December Will Be Magic Again'...   If anybody is puzzled  I was referring to Kate Bush song titles in bold type above. It wasn't supposed to be a cryptic message for Roger! Back on topic now-There is a link to another thread discussing the 'Wuthering Heights' single hereRegards, Andrew  |
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Post by Andrew on Aug 13, 2006 22:24:13 GMT
I'm not a big fan of Kate Bush although I like her song "Running up that Hill" very much. But actually cover songs generally can be quite good. Every band or singer that writes their own songs cover other artists. Many times the original is better but there are also many cover songs that are way better than the original. "Wuthering Heights" from Hayley is one example where the cover version is much better. "May it be" is the next example for a better cover version which is again sung by ... guess who ... Hayley of course. But let's go back to "Running up that Hill". There is a great cover version sung by the Dutch band "Within Temptation". That is a rock version of this song. But I can imagine Hayley can make an even better version of it. Hayley singing "Running up that Hill". That is a cover version I would very much like to hear. Thomas Hi Thomas, Good to hear from you... I've enjoyed Kate Bush's music for many years- yes she has recorded some great songs. 'Running Up That Hill' is a tune with a great beat, but there are a lot of sexual connotations in the lyrics- a lot more than 'Wuthering Heights'! I don't think this would really be a good choice for Hayley- unless she wants to go out there and SHOCK!!! I hope not!  In my opinion 'The Man With The Child in His Eyes' would be a better choice of song for Hayley to do- IF Hayley were to record another Kate Bush song? I can certainly imagine Hayley singing this song. It's beautiful! In fact you can listen to a small sample of the song for free online here(You will have to create a username and password first - it seems straightforward though! Mine works OK). Regards, Andrew |
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Post by postscript on Aug 14, 2006 10:08:35 GMT
I love 'Pokarekare Ana'... although I'm very glad I missed Billy Connolly's rendition of the song! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif'Hine e Hine' puts me to sleep... but that song is SUPPOSED to! Regards, Andrew Hi Andrew, Jons. 1. I shudder at the idea of Billy Connolly singing anything, never mind Pokarekara Ana! 2. That's where i am at odds with Hayley at the moment I do wish she would find something else with which she can rise to a closing crescendo. Hine Hine IS a lullaby but she will use it as a closing item and wake the baby, albeit perhaps happily giggling but I much preferred her early renditions of it when she did indeed sing it as a lullaby, as in the 'Hayley live in New Zealand' video. Peter |
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Post by stevemacdonald on Aug 14, 2006 17:25:32 GMT
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Post by thomas on Aug 14, 2006 20:21:27 GMT
Hi Andrew !
I took a closer look to the lyrics of "Running up that Hill". They are not too "shocking" there is worse actually.
But you are right. For Hayley there are better songs to sing.
Thomas
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Post by jons on Aug 16, 2006 13:35:38 GMT
Hi Andrew ! I took a closer look to the lyrics of "Running up that Hill". They are not too "shocking" there is worse actually. But you are right. For Hayley there are better songs to sing. Thomas Hi Thomas and Andrew 'Running up that Hill' is my fave Kate Bush song and I'm a fan of Within Temptation and Sharon's voice. I think that Hayley ought to cover that song. Hayley's version of Wuthering Heights entered the pop charts in the UK at No.31 - the only song of Hayley's that was in the pop charts as far as I know - but as you can see it saw some success. If I remember, in the video for 'Running up that Hill' Kate did some 'interpretive' dance. Now I know that Hayley can dance, so the promo could feature Hayley doing something similar. What do you think? I'm not saying Hayley should be the next Kate Bush, but if Hayley covered that song then, it might propel Hayley further into more peoples hearts. I really don't see anything wrong with the lyrics either. Hayley's a mature young woman and I don't know how that song can shock. If she started covering songs like 'In Da Club' by 50 Cent, then I'd start worrying. |
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I was referring to Kate Bush song titles in bold type above. It wasn't supposed to be a cryptic message for Roger! 
