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Post by fusilier23 on Sept 24, 2006 14:41:35 GMT
So if I insulted you would you punch me, Nicola? Please. There's never any excuse for that. And since when is this the larger issue of men trying to push women around? If that's the woman of the future, I'm glad I'm not married. And I am not the least bit scared by women who use foul language and try to bully, I deal with a lot tougher women than Charl is pretending to be in the law field. So let's not pretend this is anything more than it is, but hey, if watching her try to abuse her guests is your thing, that's fine.
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Post by jons on Sept 24, 2006 16:11:46 GMT
To been honest I couldn't give a damn anymore. This whole thing is spiraling out of control.
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Post by nicola on Sept 25, 2006 11:23:37 GMT
After reading this disgusting post I realised you are not worth answering. I'm deleting my above posts as I am sorry I ever replied to you. I don't know how old you are but you are acting like a seventeen year old.
I apologise to the moderators for any hostility caused in this futile debate.
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Post by roger on Sept 25, 2006 12:13:32 GMT
Thank you, Nicola - apology accepted.
To those whom it may concern,
I have been concerned over the direction that this thread has been taking for some time. I would remind you that this particular board is called "Other Music". It is NOT, and will never be, a platform for members to hold a personal slanging match over the rights and wrongs of Charlotte's behaviour on a television series. If you don't like it, don't watch it. If you deem it necessary to discuss these matters in such candid detail, I would respectfully suggest you do it on a forum dedicated to Charlotte and not here at HWI.
In view of the aabove, certain posts in this thread have been deleted.
If you wish to discuss Charlotte's music, please do so. You do not have to do so favourably, but you will be respectful. The alternative is that no further coverage of Charlotte will be permitted anywhere on this forum.
Thank you.
Roger
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Post by Dave on Sept 25, 2006 13:37:38 GMT
I've just caught up on this (before the deletions) and was about to deal with it myself... but that's already been done - thanks Roger - I would have done and said much the same as you.
For the record, I cannot stand certain aspects of the CC show and I've said why, on more than one occasion!
However, there are people (young people!) close to me who absolutely love it! I don't get it at all... but this is TV entertainment - for those who like it - and everyone is entitled to express their opinion if it's done politely... without being hacked to pieces and/or personally insulted by members who disagree... however strong may be their personal views about it.
Dave
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Post by Richard on Sept 25, 2006 14:11:22 GMT
Hello everybody and thank you Roger.
I've been watching the Charlotte Church Show too, and I find some parts quite entertaining and other parts rather embarrassing. She seems to be trying her hand at being a comedienne now, possibly with some success, and I must say I've seen and heard far worse. I see no reason why we shouldn't discuss Charlotte and her TV show, but let's do it in a civilised manner, please.
Richard
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Post by fusilier23 on Sept 26, 2006 2:01:45 GMT
I apologize to the moderators for stepping out of line, but I stand by what I said. I'm done posting on this subject, but I won't forget the insults here.
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Post by jons on Sept 27, 2006 13:52:13 GMT
The reason why I mentioned Hayley before was just to say that you don't have to swear or be rude to show the person you are.
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Post by fusilier23 on Sept 28, 2006 10:33:01 GMT
BTW, Michelle Malkin, American conservative pundit, has just published an article on CC that's making the rounds. I won't post it, but let's just say some folks will be hopping mad when they read it. Try townhall.com
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Post by jons on Sept 28, 2006 13:20:57 GMT
I read the article. I will say this in response to something Charlotte said: I think the New York firefighters have the right to do what ever they want; become celebrities, present tv shows, they have have earned it time and time again with their heroism.
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Post by nicola on Sept 28, 2006 13:45:04 GMT
Hey Jon,
I still don't really understand what you mean. Hayley doesn't swear because that isn't what she does; that says something about her. Charlotte swears because that is what she does; and that says something about Charlotte. Therefore both show a bit of themselves by not doing so or doing so.
If you meant you don't need to swear or to be rude in order to gain fame, publicity, gain attention etc. then yes, you are right.
I haven't read the article, but I did hear of Charlotte saying something about the Fire Fighters of 9/11 were overhyped. As in, what they did isn't as much as a big deal as the media made out. It was a naive and ignorant thing to say, not to mention disrespectful.
A question, though, has Charlotte given up on her music career? She failed to make an impact anywhere else in the world other than the UK with her pop album and they have told her she is not to be taken to the US with it unless she scores a number one. With her singles have reached #2, #8, #17 and #14 that possibility doesn't look great for her. Has she given up.
Having listened to her album I think she released the wrong songs. 'Even God' (the single she released last Christmas) was the weakest on the album. The chart position reflected that (#17). She had a terrific song on that album called 'East Way Out' co-penned by Gary Barlow. A more catchy number to release was probably 'Let's Be Alone' but she released 'Moodswings' instead. I just didn't understand the single choices. The latin/operatic style 'Casualty of Love' would have done well too, since it was written to Steve Johnson and everyone knew it. Has anyone else heard the album and think some wrong decisions were made?
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Post by jons on Sept 28, 2006 14:10:09 GMT
'Even God Can't...' was released as a single and I actually liked that song. But I'm not a fan of Charlotte's voice as it is stands now.
However, quite a few years ago, Charlotte made her acting debut in 'Heartbeat' and seemed to be a natural. But she has said recently she would be a rubbish actor. Could acting be her next thing? Despite what she said.
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Post by nicola on Sept 28, 2006 14:27:32 GMT
No, no, no. Charlotte is no actress. Judging from her film 'I'll Be There' she was far from natural. Lol! She may have improved since then. But in that film she was embarrassing to watch and awkward. Having said that it was a very amusing film. She was even offered the role of Christine in the film adaption of 'The Phantom of the Opera' which she turned down because they told her she had to lose weight. I'm glad she said no to that to be honest. Emmy Rossum was perfect for the role. I can't quite imagine Charlotte in that role and I don't think her voice is anywhere near good enough.
I think she makes quite a good presenter actually. She belongs in television, that's for sure. I do like her voice in pop. I thought she was a mediocre classical singer. Her pop album was way better than her classical ones in terms of performance/enthusiasm.
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Post by jons on Sept 28, 2006 14:44:11 GMT
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Post by fusilier23 on Sept 29, 2006 0:02:23 GMT
Let's try this again, hopefully without ripping into each other. Actually she was not "offered" the role in POTO, she was told she'd have to take off some weight before she'd even be allowed to try out, so she said forget it. And that's fine, Emmy Rossum is both a better actress and a better singer now, although Hayley probably would have been just as good, and believable, since Christine is supposed to be a ballet dancer and Hayley is in fact trained in ballet. She also floated the story that she was considered for the role of Hermione Granger in the Harry Potter series, but she was far too old when they were casting, and Emma Watson is a better actress, I think. Charlotte did do a one-off appearance in the series "Touched by An Angel" here, as a rude, bitter orphan with a lovely singing voice, but her acting was middle-drawer at best, she was obviously reading from cue cards, or at least that was my interpretation.
I do think she deserved to get chewed out for her comment about the firemen, although the Charlaholics say that what she really meant was that they hadn't received enough respect prior to 9/11. I don't think it really matters, she had to know something like that could and did have a negative interpretation. I say this now as someone who almost perished on 9/11, it was a very big deal, and I say this now as a municipal employee, the firemen are my co-workers, and definitely don't deserve dismissive comments like that. However, it was now five years ago, so it is water under the bridge and MM probably shouldn't have dredged it up again.
As for her musical career, I think it's going to die a quiet death pretty soon, she'll still do the occasional song on tv, but I think her album and touring days are over. She can't go back to classical even if she wanted to, her credibility as that kind of artist is gone now, and she apparently lacks the drive to do what it takes to make it as a pop star, like long tours or repeated appearances. Oh, she did a ton of appearances to plug "Crazy Chick," but with each single that followed, she did less and less. By her own admission she's too lazy to do 15-city tours and transatlantic hops, and I think she has "cement feet" when it comes to leaving Cardiff for more than a few days. Eh, it is what it is.
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