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Post by Richard on Jul 4, 2007 13:59:44 GMT
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Post by fusilier23 on Jul 4, 2007 15:56:48 GMT
This only half surprises me. Given that Hayley is the big draw in Europe, or at least in the UK, and that the advertising, if not outright false, appeared to be disingenuous, relying on Hayley's name when it was known she had appearances that conflicted with this tour, I can see why ticket sales would not have risen to the point where going ahead with the tour was feasible. It's never a good idea to annoy your audience or appear to be trying to trick your audience. Just ask the Dixie Chicks, who managed to annoy their core audience to the point where they couldn't GIVE tickets away in their home territory and had to re-route the tour to Canada.
Perhaps the girls should consider coming back here for an Xmas tour. I know the NJPAC has open nights in December, and could probably put them in touch with the right people.
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Post by postscript on Jul 4, 2007 15:59:03 GMT
But if you click on gigsandtours you wil find there are no entries for Celtic Woman scheduled for the near future!  Peter S. ADDENDUM ADDED A FEW MINUTES LATER. For some inexplicable reason I chose to double-check my facts. This time, whereas the search facility showed something like 'no dates planned at the moment', this time it listed some of them. Perhaps a glitch in the web machinery--or did I mistype? Peter S. |
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Post by Dave on Jul 4, 2007 16:13:56 GMT
Roger, ....I know that they've said no refunds, but as the entire tour isn't going ahead, I doubt that they can keep saying that.. they'll have to refund. If they don't, then you can always contact your credit card company and declare the purchase as being fraudulent as they have sold a service that they then failed to provideVery interesting point. However, it also depends upon the small print provided by the promoter... as usual! Peter S. Hi Peter, I am sure you know this but I'm responding for the benefit of anyone who isn't familiar with English Law and who may be concerned about your reply above. The small print is only relevant in that if an event is cancelled, the venue may not have to refund booking fees etc., so they will not be out of pocket for work they have done to date. They must in Law refund the face value of the ticket in such a case, although the small print may entitle them to deduct a small sum to cover reasonable costs but this is less likely if a separate booking fee was charged. The small print cannot (of course!) override the Law of the Land. However, the question of refunds for advance bookings for travel is a lot more tricky because of special offers and discounts and this is why I never book train tickets etc., more than a few days in advance. What I would do about airline tickets, if I ever needed one, I am not so sure!  Cheers, Dave |
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Post by Richard on Jul 4, 2007 16:18:18 GMT
Hello Peter!  I just clicked on the 'Gigs and Tours' link from CW's website, then searched for 'Celtic Woman'. All the concerts were listed except Glasgow.  Richard  |
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Post by postscript on Jul 4, 2007 16:38:02 GMT
And still being recommended for sale on the German promoter's site. Peter S. |
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Post by Stephany on Jul 4, 2007 16:39:32 GMT
There's no reason to doubt what Steve Abbott said. The announcement will probably appear shortly! There is a topic about the European tour cancellation on the CW forum : Bad news. I'm not sure where they got the information (maybe on HWI?) but it is definitely real. I wonder how the CW management is going to explain this.  Thanks again Roger for the precious information! |
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Post by Joe on Jul 4, 2007 17:18:53 GMT
Hi all, I was shocked to hear this news. Although Celtic Woman have a small and faithful audience in Europe, the bright star that is Hayley wasn't enough to endure a successful tour. I trust that another tour might be scheduled somwhere else in the near future... |
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Post by postscript on Jul 4, 2007 19:15:02 GMT
Hi all, I was shocked to hear this news. Although Celtic Woman have a small and faithful audience in Europe, the bright star that is Hayley wasn't enough to endure a successful tour. I trust that another tour might be scheduled somwhere else in the near future... I think we have to be careful not to muddy maybe already muddied waters and of course dependent upon what actually happened will depend upon options for resuscitation. The implication is that CW can't make it on their own in large enough arenas to cover their very high staging costs but can such costs be defrayed with reduced stage razzamatazz and a shared bill with Hayley, such as Hayley and guests CW? That way Hayley could play larger arenas in Europe than Hayley might be able to fill on her own and both would gain but Hayley's prime solo position would not be diminshed. However, may I suggest that at this time least said is soonest mended if that is a possible option and we will learn in due time if anything is retrievable. For the moment, we have played our part in drawing attenion to proper causes for concern and on that score it is right for us to remain vigilant. Beyond that I think we should cool the debate. Roger? Peter S. |
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Post by postscript on Jul 4, 2007 19:31:53 GMT
Thanks for this Stephany. This is the first time I have looked at CW. It is interesting to see the number of people who have scene shots including Hayley and one or two with Hayley prominent. They clearly feel good towards her and see her as part of the collective whole. It is also interesting to find the CW members are aware the girls have a heavy schedule with conflicting interests: solo albums and group performances. Sounds like a recipe for a disaster unless INCREDIBLY WELL MANAGED! We know from the past way back that such 'incredible good management' is NOT CW's management strength. Perhaps the whole comes down to nothing more salacious than over-enthusiasm going 'a bridge (or several) too far'.
Peter S.
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Post by roger on Jul 4, 2007 20:01:50 GMT
I'm not sure where they got the information (maybe on HWI?) Hi Stephany, I don't think they saw it on our forum. If their forum clock is correct, the post was made approximately three hours before mine. Roger |
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Post by roger on Jul 4, 2007 20:04:34 GMT
Beyond that I think we should cool the debate. Roger? Peter S. Agreed. Thank you, Peter. Roger |
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Post by Caitlin on Jul 4, 2007 22:21:18 GMT
I don't think they saw it on our forum. If their forum clock is correct, the post was made approximately three hours before mine. Roger Hi Roger, Flip8 had made a post on CWF because he saw the announcement on HWI, and I told him I thought it might be better for Rich (the forum admin) to post about it. So I got in contact with Rich and he then made the post. So I don't think their forum clock is right, but it doesn't really matter. I'm still bummed it isn't going ahead, but I should be grateful that I got to see them more than once in one year. Off to count my blessings. <3 Caite |
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Post by roger on Jul 4, 2007 22:32:52 GMT
Thanks for the explanation, Caite. I must stop trusting forum clocks!
Very well done for getting in touch with Rich. Certainly, news like that, especially on the CW forum, should come from him.
Roger
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Post by mkc on Jul 5, 2007 1:54:07 GMT
There's no reason to doubt what Steve Abbott said. The announcement will probably appear shortly! There is a topic about the European tour cancellation on the CW forum : Bad news. I'm not sure where they got the information (maybe on HWI?) but it is definitely real. I wonder how the CW management is going to explain this. Thanks again Roger for the precious information! Yes, thanks Roger for keeping us updated  |
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