Odyssey UK Tracklisting

[Joe]

I'm very happy w/ the UK tracklist. I'm interested in seeing if it is eligible to be in the classical charts.

Looking forward to ordering my copy in a few weeks' time !

Joe

[portia]

I think it's a major mistake putting O Mio Babbino Caro, but I suppose the charts matter.

Any preview clips?

[1littlegirl]

The UK tracklisting looks really great! It has a bunch of new songs!

[Dave]

This is why I think they have had to drop My Heart Belongs To You.

Of the original 9 pop songs, Prayer and Never Say Blue are among the best - so they stay. The Dell' Amore duet is with Bocelli and may have cost big money to acquire; also politically it wouldn't be good to drop it; also Hayley is a big fan of Bocelli. It had to stay.

Both Sides Now - we know Hayley loves this; it's probably her Odyssey "Wuthering Heights". She also co-arranged it and wasn't going to give up this one. What You Never Know is "Hayley's song", the one she co-wrote and co-arranged; it's not bad either. This one had to stay.

May It Be is one of the best tracks on the album - it also has some potential to be re-arranged classically (because of the film score version). She Moves Though The Fair seems to have been a favourite of Hayley too - she certainly co-arranged it so it had to stay if possible.

Which leaves two of the original 'pop' songs to be dropped: I Say Grace and unfortunately one of the best (commercially) on the album, My Heart Belongs.To You. The next (third) candidate to be dropped would have been She Moves Through the Fair - Steve thought they would have to drop three tracks. But they seem to have solved that problem by adding three extra classical tracks to make the UK version 16 instead of the 13 it would have been. I think another reason for their choice of 'She Moves' over 'My Heart Belongs' may have been the overall balance of the album

Of course, none of the above makes any sense unless the UK version qualifies for the Classical Chart - this was their objective (but I'm not saying I necessarily agree with their objective!). Therefore, I assume they *did* qualify it for the classical chart, with 10 so-called 'classical' tracks - by hook or by crook, rightly or wrongly. Further evidence for this is that adding one more pop track (My Heart...) would then disallow it - so they couldn't add it (10/16 is 62%, 10/17 is 59%). If they didn't have to worry about the 60%, there was no reason to drop "My Heart", or to do the extra recording sessions in July, or to add things like Bridal Ballad (previously released in the UK).

So, I am convinced that Decca got a couple of extra tracks that we don't think are classical, accepted as 'classical' (as happened with Pure) but I don't know which tracks. Otherwise, the UK tracklisting doesn't make sense - but I have to admit to being very uneasy about this approach.

[portia]

I thought What You Never Know was originally sung by Sarah Brightman? How could Hayley have co wrote that?

[Raymond]

I think it is because Hayley's version is different from the version of Sarah Brightman.
'I am falling for you
I am falling for you
I first come in June
I am falling for you'
I think this is the part Hayley wrote.

[Richard]

Hello everybody!

I really like the UK tracklisting. I'm not too worried about two tracks being dropped from the NZ/Australian version, because I've already got a copy. If this album qualifies for the classical charts it's going to be a massive hit, and hopefully it will do well in the pop charts as well! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

kcuteus1 said:

I think the oder of the cd could of been put better. But that is me.

Kimberly, if you've got a "Random" or "Shuffle" mode on your CD player, you could listen to the songs in a different order every time. 16 tracks gives you a possible 16x15x14x13x12x11x10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2 different ways of playing the CD. Don't try to work it out on your fingers because it comes to many millions!

Best Wishes from London,

Richard

[Raymond]

It is a good idea to listen to the CD randomly. I will try this tomorrow.

[Oksana]

I'm not overly happy with the UK tracklist. On the "Review of Odyssey" thread, we talked about "hooks" -- songs that appeal to people and make them want to buy the album. With the removal of 'My Heart' and a flood of classical tracks, there are even less "hooks" on the UK version of Odyssey.

I agree that the order of the songs wasn't good. They should have interspersed some the classical tracks in between the pop ones to add some balance, so that fans of Hayley's pop side won't feel the album goes downhill after song 8. Also, it's a disappointment that there's no dramatic ending such as "Wuthering Heights" or "My Heart.." to round off the album.

It looks like Decca didn't have enough time to brush the UK tracklist up.

"Bridal Ballad," "Dell Amore," and "May it Be" could be considered pop or classical, so there are probably going to be some new arrangements. "Mists of Islay" is pop to me, but I don't see a reason for rerecording it unless Decca had considered it classical.

Fingers crossed that it will get into the charts and appeal to the public!

[roger]

Well said, Someone. I absolutely agree 100 per cent with ever word you said with one possible exception. It may *look* like Decca didn't have time to brush the UK tracklist up (to some) but I'm sure they allowed themselves as much time as they considered necessary. However, the result, in some cases, looks rather strange to me and clearly to you too.

Please let me know when I can uncross my fingers!

Roger

[stephch]

To be honest music is very subjutive .To me there are only 8 classical song's on the Uk version.Dell Amore is pop as the writter of the song write's pop song's just like time to say goodbye is pop .

[Dave]

I don't think we'll ever fully resolve the Hayley pop vs Hayley classical debate. Some of us lean towards her pop styles, some towards her classical and the rest love it all! I suspect that a similar split will be evident among the general public. I am in a fourth category... love *nearly all* of it! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

One possible way to solve the problem is the Bocelli method - alternate "pop" and "classical" albums. Hayley and Decca will not be unaware of this and it will be interesting to see if they try it, next time around.

[stephch]

Just for fun both Hayley and Katherine have 16 song's and both have about 8 song's that are classical and a few song's that can be looked at as Classical or pop.

1) Prayer(non classical)
2) Dell' Amore Non Si Sa(non classical)
3) Never Saw Blue(non classical)
4) Ave Maria (Caccini)(classical)
5) What You Never Know (Won't Hurt You)(non classical)
6) Quanta Qualia(classical)
7) Both Sides Now(non classical)
8) May It Be(depends)
9) Bachianas Brasilieras(classical)
10) Bridal Ballad(classical)
11) Mists Of Islay(non classical)
12) O Mio Babbino Caro(classical)
13) Laudate Dominum(classical)
14) Wiegenlied(classical)
15) She Moves Through The Fair(depend's)
16) Dido's Lament (classical)
I am beginning to think that this will make it on to the Uk classical charts because I think they would look at may it be and She moved through the fair as classical.Mists Of Islay not so sure about that one but I really love this song.Now compare this to Katherine's tracklisting.

1. Ti Amero Per Sempre (I Will Always Love You)(non classical)
2. I Vow To Thee My Country(classical)
3. One Fine Day (Un Bel Di)(classical)
4. Canto Della terra(non classical)
5. Music Of The Night(non classical)
6. Nessun Dorma(classical)
7. Cinema Paradiso (Se)(classical)
8. Ebben? Ne Andro Lontana(classical)
9. Amazing Grace(depends)
10. David Of The White Rock(classical)
11. All Things Bright And Beautiful(classical)
12. Mon Coeur s'ouvre A Ta Voix(classical)
13. Over The Rainbow(non classical)
14. Torna A Surriento(classical)
15. Don't Stand At My Grave And Weep(non classical but this one all depend's)
16. We'll Meet Again(non classical)

I think Katherine would also make the classical chart as I think they would include amazing grance as classical.But then you have BRYN TERFEL Cd's simple gift's which has 20 song's on it but to me only about 8 I think of as classical but unlike Hayley and Katherine he is an opera singer.

[roger]

dave said:

.....Which leaves two of the original 'pop' songs to be dropped: I Say Grace and unfortunately one of the best (commercially) on the album, My Heart Belongs To You.

Hi Dave,

While I agree with your assumptions, I cannot believe they have dropped 'My Heart Belongs To You' for the very reason you mentioned - it is probably the most commercial track on the entire album. I think that is a better reason for retaining it than the assumed reasons for retaining most of the others.

I believe Odyssey will do well no matter what, but we will never know how much better it would have done if this track had been included.

Roger

[kcuteus1]

Way would they have dido latmat as the end song. The end song could be something that is more up beat and upliting not some thing that is a downer. I feel that a cd could neverend with a song that is a downer some people mostly buy cd my looking at the tracklist and there are people that look at the frist and last song . I do that sometimes. And why oh why take my heart belongs to you. And that was a great last song.