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Post by Richard on Aug 22, 2008 13:22:18 GMT
You mustn't blame yourself, Joyce! I've now removed the concerts from Hayley's 2008 Schedule. Richard
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Post by drew on Aug 22, 2008 16:16:30 GMT
I have just received the following statement from Bedlam Management specifically for HWI members which I reproduce in full: Roger It is sad that HWI (and the local newspaper) posted the cancellation before Bedlam were even informed. It is so much nicer when HWI tell Hayley of the concerts that she is going to perform in before she knows.
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Post by stevemacdonald on Aug 22, 2008 16:54:48 GMT
Obviously the tickets were too high-priced or they would have sold many, many more and everyone would be happy. Money is tight everywhere and concert organisers need to take this into account.
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Post by dutchjoyce on Aug 22, 2008 17:16:16 GMT
You mustn't blame yourself, Joyce! Richard Oh no Richard.........i don't do that!! Just thinking about this event, the big Marquee, up to 12.000 seats................why such a big one?? Greetz Joyce. This Marquee looks better........................up to 4000 seats........ The Millenium Marquee.................................................................... Greetz JOYCE
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Post by Dave on Aug 22, 2008 18:04:05 GMT
...Just thinking about this event, the big Marquee, up to 12.000 seats................why such a big one?? Greetz JOYCE hi Joyce, It was to be a 3,000 seater marquee and spread over 5 days, 14,000 tickets were available. I have thought from the start that someone, somewhere, must have been taking a big risk with such an event - Truro is basically out in the middle of nowhere (Cornwall) and the only nearby big city is Plymouth (pop 250,000) which is 50 miles away. I think it would have been dependent on support from holidaymakers, whose numbers were probably lower than usual this year because of the poor summer in England and the economic problems. It seems to have been a "first" which has taken 4 years to plan, so with no established reputation (as a festival) to fall back on, relying on headline singers Hayley and Alfie to fill it up was unwise to say the least. We know Hayley fills halls of up to 1,000 in or near all major towns in the UK, and can attract over twice that number at summer open air events - but I can't think of any in the last few years that have been so far away from major population centres. Truro is of a similar size to Buxton in Derbyshire, where Hayley's concert was well supported and which at first may seem to be similarly "out in the middle of nowhere" but in reality, they have nothing in common as around 4 million people live within 30 miles of Buxton (never mind 50!). I would have thought that achieving 4,000 ticket sales in such a situation is pretty good going and to me, the organisers seem to have taken a bit of a gamble here but sadly, it didn't pay off. I think in hindsight, a one or two day "weekend festival" would have made more sense and then, things may have been different. Dave
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Post by Richard on Aug 23, 2008 14:31:11 GMT
Hello Dave and everybody.
It's very unfair to Hayley and Alfie to blame poor ticket sales for the cancellation. If the organisers had set realistic targets this event would have been a sell-out. To put things in perspective, 4,000 tickets sold for the five nights is roughly equivalent to the sales for Hayley's one-nighter at Cannizaro Park in London SW19, and that show was a huge success. The organisers there had several years experience, so they could predict the size of the audience.
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Post by Dave on Aug 23, 2008 16:57:27 GMT
Hello Dave and everybody. It's very unfair to Hayley and Alfie to blame poor ticket sales for the cancellation. If the organisers had set realistic targets this event would have been a sell-out. Hi Richard, That's what I was trying to say and you expressed it more succinctly than I did! To plan for daily audiences of 3,000, not too far short of the International Eistedfodd Llangollen audience which Hayley performed to last year (with its 60+ years of history and much nearer to main population centres), was not very sensible in my opinion. The organisers were over-ambitious to say the least.. But they must have been very persuasive to get Hayley and Alfie's Managements on board. Dave
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Post by tonyw on Aug 24, 2008 10:00:51 GMT
Hi
This reminds me of the fiasco of the cancelled Celtic Woman UK concerts last year. At least we got a refund. I understand to get a credit card refund under Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 the amount has to between £100.01 to £30,000. Therefore those who paid for the £100 tickets may not get a refund?
Tony
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Post by Mark on Aug 24, 2008 10:25:28 GMT
I have just received the following statement from Bedlam Management specifically for HWI members which I reproduce in full: Roger ...............De Boer(Marquee company) OMG.................that marquee was from the Netherlands....... i just checked their website JOyce Hi everyone I have just caught up on this thread (having been away) and am very disappointed for all concerned that this has been cancelled. By the way Joyce, the marquee company, De Boer, is actually based where I live in Banbury in the UK . I often see their massive trucks around the town, no doubt on there way to and from venues all over the UK. Perhaps I should pay them a visit and tell them to be more reasonable I guess in reality though, 4000 tickets just isnt enough. It makes you wonder, if it has been planned for 4 years, who was responsible for the marketing Best wishes Mark
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Post by Jeff on Aug 26, 2008 9:22:10 GMT
Maybe I'm naive but I'm surprised Hayley and Alfie were paid a fee for what is supposed to be a charity event, and half the fee was in advance ! Perhaps they will pay the money back, especially if disappointed concert-goers can't get a refund ?
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Post by Tin on Aug 26, 2008 9:52:41 GMT
Hi Jeff, I don't think you are. Tin
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Post by dkeeno on Aug 26, 2008 19:52:38 GMT
Its standard practice, lets face it if stars performed for free at charity events theyd never make any money. Usually, in the cases ive worked on with Hayley, the standard fee is reduced as a good will gesture, but ehre will always be a fee. I also think its worth pointing out that this fee includes your backing musicains, so even if hayley performed for free thered still be a fee for them! Its standard music industry practice to pay the artists half the fee when you sign the contract and the other half about 2 weeks before the event, as the artist might have turned down other gigs for you so the half in advance is sort fo a deposit.
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Post by Richard on Aug 27, 2008 7:20:03 GMT
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Post by Richard on Aug 29, 2008 13:18:19 GMT
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Post by stuartj on Aug 31, 2008 14:57:37 GMT
I believe there was a concert featuring Kathy Jenkins and some other big name (I forget who) cancelled not so long ago. It was said then that times where getting harder for concerts. I don't think it is the singers, it is organisers overreaching or having an ill-conceived idea. I believe this concert was to feature some massive amateur choirs. All very nice, but not, it seems, very saleable. Three days in the middle of nowhere listening in the main to amateurs... And I don't blame the tent people. Their costs would have been known in advance too.
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