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Post by tiger09 on Oct 20, 2016 10:38:11 GMT
Well I really enjoyed it Simba so thanks for taking the time to do it  |
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Post by Simba on Oct 20, 2016 13:48:12 GMT
Thanks for the honest response Libby!, Did you listen to it using good earphones? The difference will be more apparent, there, to be specific, some noise cancellation, removal of unwanted low and high frequencies, and boosting some mid frequencies where hayley's vocals sound rounder and not screechy like some fan recordings make it seem. And on top of that layering of the high quality instrumental would have given more clarity to the bgm. Listen to the Bridge of both versions for most obvious difference in sound quality. "If there comes a time when you have...." portion And thank you so much Tiger09! |
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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Oct 20, 2016 14:56:28 GMT
Frank Lin has uploaded his recording of Edelweiss  |
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Post by martindn on Oct 20, 2016 20:52:23 GMT
Thanks to 許志誼's amazing High quality video (sideways) of Yuki No Hana, I've now put together a video for y'all to enjoy EDIT: Reuploaded the video with much better audio quality For those who've already listened, please do relisten. Thanks Simba, I have added it to the video page at hayley-westenra-international.com/content/hayley-concert-taiwan-videos You've sneaked some sneaky audio in at the start!  Was the audio sync out on your first version?  Cheers, Dave Yes, I noticed that. Sorry for the late reply, my campsite wifi had been dead for the last two days. |
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Post by martindn on Oct 20, 2016 21:10:35 GMT
Wow! Thank you so much comet for such an amazing response! That's exactly what I was going for with the twin view thing haha! And absolutely, I really enjoyed doing it, and I was thinking why I didn't do more for Hayley and her fans, should keep doing more of these I guess. Thank you, thank you so much for that, it gave me goosebumps just reading it and thinking about that! But when I am finally at a Hayley concert I don't think I'll have the strength to hold a camera! Believe me you do. You know you are doing something unique. This is a unique performance, you are in a unique seat, and what you and your camera see will never be repeated. You just have to do the best job you can, whilst battling against camera shake, people moving about in front of you, sometimes very poor lighting for photography, and of course in some cases the camera police. If you can get a decent video out of all that, you have done a magnificent job. Martin D |
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Post by Libby on Oct 21, 2016 1:47:57 GMT
Thanks for the honest response Libby!, Did you listen to it using good earphones? The difference will be more apparent, there, to be specific, some noise cancellation, removal of unwanted low and high frequencies, and boosting some mid frequencies where hayley's vocals sound rounder and not screechy like some fan recordings make it seem. And on top of that layering of the high quality instrumental would have given more clarity to the bgm. Listen to the Bridge of both versions for most obvious difference in sound quality. "If there comes a time when you have...." portion And thank you so much Tiger09! I just used the headphones that I have. I'm not saying the quality isn't good. It is very good, it's just good in a different way. I don't how to explain it very well, but I prefer the first one because it sounded like a live recording, and a rather good one considering it was amateur, but the other one sounded separated. Possibly the way Hayley feels when she's using her earpieces (as described in her book, In Her Voice". It doesn't sound like a live recording, which may be your intent. But personally, I like the live sound where you can hear the person's voice carry, echoing just enough, but not too much. You can hear the voice in the far reaches of the venue, and it blows you away. I prefer it to sound like I'm there, not like I'm listening to a recording. I guess I want my listening experience to be more "real", rather than supposedly perfect. The sound heard in the video is more like what I heard when I heard Hayley live, with that live echo; a live setting is better than a boxed recording. Some people might think it sounds more tinny, but in some cases, I find slight tinniness to better than too much bass, or whatever. It honestly felt like I could hear the better qualities of her voice. Maybe I'm not used to hearing "rounder" tones, whatever that means, exactly. It just sounded more CLEAR, especially when nowadays when she does more "belting", which is what I heard in Madison. I think I'm also used to the sound of music playing in a stadium, at skating events, where it can be a little echo-y. I guess I've just experienced live concerts/skating/dance events enough that I almost prefer that sound. When you see Hayley live someday, I think you'll understand what I mean, because as others more experienced than I will tell you, hearing her live is the best way to hear her. |
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Post by Simba on Oct 21, 2016 2:42:28 GMT
No I get what you mean, I've experienced live concerts of other singers too, if you have a good seat and the sound system and acoustics are great, the singer shouldn't feel too distant, which is the problem with fan recordings, the audio recording abilities of a camera or phone is just not good enough to capture what we hear live, the 3Dness of the sound that you mention, is flattened. And For some reasons most of these cameras and phones cut out a lot on the bass to improve speech quality and is more treble/higher frequencies. For example if you all of Frank's videos recent videos are sharp on the ears, like too much high frequency makes her voice sound screechy. So by rounder I meant, where the girth of the voice is, Hayley's tone that we're familiar with in higher quality recordings. From my experience, these cam videos and phone videos are far from the live sound. Not exactly, all those professionally shot and recorded videos, have a great mix that have a rounder sound that's not too treblee. The sound I was going for was more like that, like let's say they hopefully release professional videos of this concert, you'd see how that sound would be closer my video (ofcourse much better quality, since the audio is directly from the mixer), than the cam one. There! I managed to find a cam recording and professional recording of the same live performance, CAM recording: www.youtube.com/watch?v=U47kZDKnf7AProfessional recording: youtu.be/DfGsp09L1hk?t=2m34sSee the difference in the tone of her voice? The first one might seem 'sharper' but that's not essentially what the audience is hearing live as well. In the professional recording you can see how her tone becomes 'rounded' or 'thicker', this is closer to Hayley's actual tone when heard live during that performance. It's a common effect on not just Hayley's vocals but anyone's in general, the bass of the voice is lacking and vocals sound thinner than they actually are or sounded live. Not only that because of the nice cancellation in many cameras and phones, the vocal frequencies are generally boosted and the background is subdued, which is why I had to layer another separate backing track. But in any case that's not to say what you enjoy and don't, I can totally understand someone can prefer the raw cam recording also There's some level of authenticity in that rawness that I too enjoy sometimes. So I'm in now way trying to tell you that, my edited one is what you should like, haha! Anyway thanks for elaborating it |
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Post by Richard on Oct 21, 2016 7:35:32 GMT
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Post by Libby on Oct 22, 2016 2:08:38 GMT
I do agree somewhat about Frank's videos, as well as some others, but the one who recorded the Yuki No Hana sideways was better than that. Of course not perfect. Anyway, it doesn't matter, I still liked the sound better. Back during her Taiwan tour in 2013, there was a concert outdoors, and one indoors. I preferred the outdoor recording of BOTW, while everyone else seemed to prefer the indoor one. So, obviously I don't go for what the majority likes, I go for what I like. |
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Post by martindn on Oct 22, 2016 10:48:59 GMT
I often find I get better results taking videos at outdoor concerts. To start with, you don't get the acoustics of the building interfering with the sound, and secondly in daylight, tou are less likely to have problems with the stage lighting, that can sometimes make things very difficult. Two tricky ones that come to mind are Hayley's Christmas concert at Peterborough Cathedral, which was by candlelight, and the Union Chapel, where for some songs a footlight shone directly into the lens of my camera, and it was also very dark.
Example below.
Also, in an auditorium, sound sound qhaluty can differ from place to place. At Cork for example, where I attended two Hayley concerts on successive nights, it was noticable how much better the sound from the orchestra was in the balcony than in the front row of the stalls. Of course, the opposite is true of the video, being closer means using less zoom and having less problems with camera shake and people moving about in front of you blocking your view. Also, it seems that at outdoor concerts, camera police are less active (but not at Kilworth House).
These days I use a separate sound recorder that gives much better results than the sound from my camera.
Martin D
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Post by Simba on Oct 22, 2016 13:34:57 GMT
Libby, ha! That's cool : D
Martin, that's brilliant! I always wondered why people don't record audio separately, too much work I guess later on to match it up and put it together. But thanks for the effort, I've always loved your videos, and thanks for sharing that performance of La Califfa, in my opinion, the best performance of that song she's ever done (That and Jillian's NZ videos) Lovely video, great singing.
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Post by Dave on Oct 23, 2016 0:59:35 GMT
Hi Libby and Simba, well there's one answer to the Yuki No Hana question - snowball fight!!!  Amazing piece of video editing from you Simba, incidentally! But there's another answer too, especially as the original with 'Libby audio' has now been made private. I did 'acquire' a copy a few days ago, so after reading the discussion about audio preferences, thought I'd try flipping it upright as it should be, leaving the audio alone, and at the same time create my first ever "vertical video" as that's how the original uploader recorded it. So instead of 1920 x 1080 it's now 1080 x 1920, portrait mode, and I removed some video and audio interference just before and after Hayley started singing. I haven't otherwise touched the audio or video so it's all there, wobbles and all. Very high quality of course except for the video wobbles. On mobile phones and tablets you can play it full screen and full HD quality without the wide black bars, holding the device vertically. I can, anyway. So I have uploaded this version to the HWI Taiwan concert web page and now, Libby, you can compare the two versions side by side and play whichever grabs you at the time. In fact, if you are handy with your fingers, you can even listen to the audio on one and watch the video on the other" www.hayley-westenra-international.com/content/hayley-concert-taiwan-videosCheers, Dave |
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Post by Libby on Oct 23, 2016 4:46:57 GMT
LOL Thanks Dave. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with my fingers; I don't currently have a smart phone, so I can only play one video at a time. If I opened another window, I'd be hearing both of them. Dave, how about next you replace the Edelweiss clip with Frank's full-length video? www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9z85nKrh3oI also prefer Frank's Sweet As Honey video(below). Not so much for the audio, though the current one sounds a little muffled to me; but for the visual. The one currently on the site has the camera switching back and forth from Hayley on stage to the big screen, which I find slightly annoying. I much prefer Frank's viewpoint (which of course was better than the other uploader's), because you could better appreciate her interaction with the crowd. The one part where the music kind of pauses and she sings in a lower tone, she smiles at the audience and puts her hand behind her ear, indicating she's encouraging audience participation. I thought one moment in particular was nice, because it looked like she was looking right out at some people in particular, to make the experience more personal and fun, I guess. I thought that was very sweet to see. It may have partly been a front put on due to possible ear piece issues, since we all know she's not fond of those. So, for those reasons, I would replace the current video. But, they are both halfway decent and full length, so not a huge deal if it's not changed. I guess the reason I'm not all that picky about the sound quality in live videos is because I'm not expecting perfect audio in any of them. While I do seek out the one with the best quality (according to me! LOL) available, I am just grateful to have a video at all! It really is amazing to be able to experience so much of a concert that might as well have been in a different world. LOL When I imagine these concerts taking place when I'm asleep, it almost seems like it is a different world, a world where I'm not conscious of anything real. LOL However, for months after the Madison concert, I was very unsatisfied with the videos, especially BOTW (even the album recording still does not suffice). But now, while I still remember the absolute perfection I heard there, I can still be happy with these imperfect (yet still excellent videos). |
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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Oct 23, 2016 21:10:28 GMT
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Post by Simba on Oct 24, 2016 1:57:55 GMT
That is indeed a gorgeous pic! That day was nothing but perfection, great dress, make up, vocals, and most of all HAIR! It's so much better than the short one, I'm glad she's letting it grow, and not to mention, back to blondish hair. (and the flower hairband)
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