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Post by martindn on Mar 30, 2016 10:48:02 GMT
That makes me suspect Pokarekare Ana was one of the missing songs.
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Post by Bamafan on Mar 30, 2016 21:01:22 GMT
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Post by Joe on Mar 31, 2016 1:24:03 GMT
Hello Taylor!
Seems those links are not recognizable image links to the forum. Thank you for the link to the fan page!
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Post by Bamafan on Mar 31, 2016 2:53:01 GMT
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Post by Libby on Mar 31, 2016 5:56:42 GMT
Well, I'm not clueless, Simba, just hard to hear, apparently since nobody else caught it. i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifShe sang The Moon... and the Flowers in the Rainy Night because she was performing for a company from Taiwan, so she really doesn't need to get requests in order to sing those. ATUOT, maybe, but then, she didn't sing My Heart Belongs to You for a long time (or did she even ever sing it live during the Odyssey tour?), and yet she has been singing that one in concert for the last 2 years or more. I just think it has to do with the direction of music she's trying to gear towards - the crossover side of classical crossover more than classical. Since she sang Let Me Lie in Taiwan last year, I would guess that before I'd guess Summer Rain. Didn't she tell someone in Madison that song was one she hadn't done because it was hard to reproduce live, or something? That and Dark Waltz, I think. |
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Post by Richard on Mar 31, 2016 7:07:24 GMT
Thanks for the photos, Taylor!  I've added a link to your post on our Facebook page.  Richard  |
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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Mar 31, 2016 11:33:49 GMT
ATUOT, maybe, but then, she didn't sing My Heart Belongs to You for a long time (or did she even ever sing it live during the Odyssey tour?), and yet she has been singing that one in concert for the last 2 years or more. I just think it has to do with the direction of music she's trying to gear towards - the crossover side of classical crossover more than classical. Since she sang Let Me Lie in Taiwan last year, I would guess that before I'd guess Summer Rain. Didn't she tell someone in Madison that song was one she hadn't done because it was hard to reproduce live, or something? That and Dark Waltz, I think. I don't think she ever performed MHBTY during her Odyssey tour. Has she ever performed Never Say Goodbye live (one of my 1st ever favorites)? I feel like that might be a hard one to reproduce live as well. |
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Post by Simba on Mar 31, 2016 14:46:25 GMT
Well let me tell you, 'NONE' of Hayley's songs are hard to produce live. All of her songs are fairly straightforward that has little studio magic and production drama (which is a great thing in a generation where everything is overproduced), No complex overlays of vocals, mixing or instruments. At the most Hayley would have had some harmonies which she'd have sung by herself in the recording, but cannot do so live, because you can sing only one layer at a time, but that's probably the only thing that can be produced live, but definitely not challenging to perform, as you can either have that track being played, or have someone else do backing vocals. But regardless of all that, Live songs can always be arranged to better work in a live set up. That said, if she's saying it's hard to "perform" or "sing" it live....which can be the only valid excuse, I don't buy that either, because she has sung more complex songs. XD....Waiting for the day when she sings Dark Waltz (with just a piano), Summer Rain and Listen to the wind.... And devotedfan, since you asked 'Has she ever?" I assume you'd have missed this, and if you have, you're in for a real treat  www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU2UN2Sbmr8, there you go, none of her songs are difficult to reproduce live. |
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Post by martindn on Mar 31, 2016 17:51:08 GMT
Of course it is hard to reproduce ATUOT without Sophie!
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Post by Libby on Mar 31, 2016 23:16:47 GMT
Of course it is hard to reproduce ATUOT without Sophie! Martin D True, but that didn't matter, Sophie wasn't on the album, either! As for Summer Rain, I was looking at the album recently, and I just looked at it again, to be sure I hadn't imagined anything, but in the paragraph which lists who played what instrument, it also lists someone for backing vocals on track #7, which is Summer Rain on US Celtic Treasure. Her name was something like Karen Krykant. LOL yes I did just look at it a few minutes ago, and while I'm not 100% sure about the Karen, I am 100% sure about the Krkant! So, anyway, I've seen it twice in the last couple weeks, so I didn't imagine it. i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif I do find it a bit odd that they would hire a backing vocalist just to sing the words "...for you to show" with Hayley. That's the only part of the song where I've ever noticed another vocal, and I always assumed it was Hayley, too. But, apparently not. Just remember how many vocalists Hayley had on Odyssey, including in MHBTY (and also I Say Grace, possibly Mists of Islay?). Now, this proves Simba's point: if she can manage to sing MHBTY without backing vocals at all, then there is no reason why Summer Rain couldn't be performed without a backing vocal, either. Could it be the unusual instrument instrument used? I find it hard to believe another instrument could be used instead. Couldn't a keyboard with the right sound put on it work just as well? Backing tracks are not something I've ever heard of Hayley using, and somehow I doubt she ever would, so we can probably rule that out. As for Dark Waltz... do you honestly believe she can hit those notes, at least comfortably, anymore? If she felt the need to stop singing the highest note in Amazing Grace not long after Pure, then how can we expect her to sing Dark Waltz? I'd love to hear it, of course, but I don't want her to strain her voice. But then there's Enya, who, it was long said, never toured partly because her songs were too difficult to do live. Now, that's not what she's saying now, not to mention the rare, but very memorable times she performed on live TV in the US. So, I think that's what people said as a theory, or, perhaps back then, it was just an excuse. Is Hayley beyond making excuses for not performing certain songs?  |
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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Apr 1, 2016 3:03:41 GMT
Libby, I read multiple times that Enya doesn't tour much, if at all, because of (severe) stage fright. She's a relatively reserved individual. The only way Summer Rain would sound good live is if she had a orchestra. The pizzicato makes the song (other than Hayley's vocals). Without an orchestra, I feel the song would fall short of flat. Also, while I don't know Hayley's full vocal ability, I'm pretty sure she can still hit those notes. Young girls voices aren't like boys, they don't go through a drastic change around puberty. As I've gotten older my range has increased, I can now comfortably hit a high A#. I know everyone's different but with her extensive care and training of her voice I'd be surprised if she still couldn't hit those high notes. Plus it's all about preference too. Simba, I don't really count the Live from New Zealand version only because it's on DVD so it's like having a recorded CD of it. I guess I was mainly thinking of other concerts like at smaller venues. P.S.. The highest note in her Amazing Grace isn't that high. As a soprano, that note is well within her general range |
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Post by Richard on Apr 1, 2016 7:29:00 GMT
Of course it is hard to reproduce ATUOT without Sophie! Hayley found a way in this performance with James Last back in 2004: Richard |
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Post by martindn on Apr 1, 2016 16:16:14 GMT
Thanks Richard! I'd forgotten about that one. I couldn't recall her singing that, but I do remember the interview that follows so I must have seen it before.
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Post by Simba on Apr 1, 2016 20:05:42 GMT
Devotedfan, " Has she ever performed Never Say Goodbye live (one of my 1st ever favorites)? I feel like that might be a hard one to reproduce live as well." How is that relevant when you know she performed it live in that Live from Newzealand concert? o.o What do you mean it might be a hard one to reproduce live when she already did....XD *Confused* "Simba, I don't really count the Live from New Zealand version only because it's on DVD so it's like having a recorded CD of it. " No really, one's recorded in the studio and the other's purely live. The only difference from her usual concerts and that is that, it was professionally shot XD.... Martin D, You don't always need harmonies to perform a song, they only support the performance, can be always done without...or somebody else can sing it, or simple, use a backing track just for the vocal harmony, like she does here youtu.be/nATbSmfZVS0?t=2m2s at 2:02 and a few other times. And Libby.... It saddens me to read that, especially her being a soprano, high notes should come easiest. But let's look at it objectively, the Highest notes in Amazing grace are an A5 which slides into B5. Though I think she doesn't sing that anymore because it doesn't sound particularly great, atleast not fitting in this song, personally, so she maybe avoiding it for artistic reasons. But then the high note in Ave Maria? I've always wondered why she dodged that one, because this one actually sounds bad without the high note. It's an F5...but the funny thing is, she already hits and sustains an F5 before hitting the seemingly big note, which is also only an F5....so that confuses me...clearly she can sing it, then why XD Now for Dark Waltz the highest note is a G#5...... But to put things to perspective, in recent times the highest notes she's hitting live are.... Moon represents my heart(2016), the vocalese part goes up to a really resonating F5 (love that bit) Naturaleza Muerta (2012), G5 And Amazing Grace (2013), When she hit the A5...during that Japanese competition with May J...lol Anyway I'm glad we're still getting F5s, close enough, but I still think if she sang the G5 for Naturaleza which is relatively recent...She could pull off Dark Waltz...One of her more famous songs, and she hasn't performed it live ever! XD |
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Post by Libby on Apr 2, 2016 2:36:28 GMT
Simba, don't be sad about what I said, since you are aware it may not be true, so instead be sad about Hayley not singing it live, for whatever reason. i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif And, which Ave Maria do you mean? Caccini or Bach/Gounod? Paige, yeah I've heard that about Enya, too. Honestly, I've heard several different possible reasons. But not too long ago, another fan of Enya said that thing about the music being hard to do live (but as I said, she's proved that it really isn't). Most of it in the past is likely speculation, because until her recent album, I've read/heard very few interviews with Enya herself. Her reason most recently was that she spends so much time at home making her music. However, since her last album was years ago, I have a hard time believing that completely. I actually believe Enya's reasons are mostly excuses, but Hayley, I don't truly see her as the type to make up excuses. |
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