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Post by Eos on Nov 1, 2014 9:22:35 GMT
I just noticed that the deluxe version of Katherine's new album has "The moon represents my heart" on it: www.amazon.com/Home-Sweet-Deluxe-Katherine-Jenkins/dp/B00OEEUDIW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8I don't know how to feel about this... Even though it has been recorded by many artists before I've kind of always seen it as a Hayley song, I LOVE her version of it! But who knows, Katherine's version might be good too - I was just a bit shocked to see that she had recorded it since I don't think she has sung in an Asian language before... |
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Post by Sing on Nov 1, 2014 16:18:27 GMT
I'm not sure how I feel about this either, I think Katherine could do a relatively good job of this song, but I too consider it to be Hayley's song too, especially as that was the first version of the song I'd ever heard. As they share the same record label now, perhaps they suggested Katherine record it before Hayley?
I think I'll have to give Katherine's version a listen to see what it's like but know I will prefer Hayley's.
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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Nov 1, 2014 17:30:25 GMT
Is Katherine competing with Hayley? That's the impression I'm getting...
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Post by martindn on Nov 1, 2014 21:56:38 GMT
It seems so. I think she may have always been a bit jealous of Hayley. I notice that in Katherine's autobiography Hayley is never mentioned although Katherine was Hayley's support act on the Pure tour, to introduce her before her first album was released. Hayley, on the other hand, does mention Katherine in hers.
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Post by Libby on Nov 1, 2014 22:46:55 GMT
I think it's pretty bad that Hayley, who basically launched her fame in Taiwan with this song and sold out a concert in 10 minutes because of it, has never been given the chance to put this on ANY CD, not even a Taiwan version; and yet, Katherine, who has a very dull-sounding, yawning opera voice, would be the one chosen to not only record it, but put it on an album that appears to be available to the US, without even being an import! Oh, well, I will not be listening to it at all. I don't listen to Katherine, anyway, and we all know who the superior voice for this song is, so I have no interest in it at all. Not to mention that I don't want to reward what I feel is a slight towards Hayley by Decca. One of many, that is.  Oh, and I see that Katherine gets collaborations with people like David Garrett. Nothing special like that for Hayley... unless we remember Ennio Morricone, who himself offered the collaboration, not Decca. If he hadn't thought of it first, I doubt Decca would have done anything of the sort for her. |
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Post by grant on Nov 1, 2014 23:35:35 GMT
I think it's pretty bad that Hayley, who basically launched her fame in Taiwan with this song and sold out a concert in 10 minutes because of it, has never been given the chance to put this on ANY CD, not even a Taiwan version; and yet, Katherine, who has a very dull-sounding, yawning opera voice, would be the one chosen to not only record it, but put it on an album that appears to be available to the US, without even being an import! Oh, well, I will not be listening to it at all. I don't listen to Katherine, anyway, and we all know who the superior voice for this song is, so I have no interest in it at all. Not to mention that I don't want to reward what I feel is a slight towards Hayley by Decca. One of many, that is. Oh, and I see that Katherine gets collaborations with people like David Garrett. Nothing special like that for Hayley... unless we remember Ennio Morricone, who himself offered the collaboration, not Decca. If he hadn't thought of it first, I doubt Decca would have done anything of the sort for her. I'm with you Libby! I seem to remember when Hayley performed this that one commentator said that Taiwanese was a very difficult language for a westener to speak, never mind sing, and that Hayley's pronunciation was "outstanding". I'll be interested to hear how this new version will go down in Taiwan although I have never bought, or listened to, anything recorded by KJ and don't intend to start now. Best wishes Grant |
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Post by Jillian on Nov 2, 2014 0:39:10 GMT
I think it's pretty bad that Hayley, who basically launched her fame in Taiwan with this song and sold out a concert in 10 minutes because of it, has never been given the chance to put this on ANY CD, not even a Taiwan version; and yet, Katherine, who has a very dull-sounding, yawning opera voice, would be the one chosen to not only record it, but put it on an album that appears to be available to the US, without even being an import! Oh, well, I will not be listening to it at all. I don't listen to Katherine, anyway, and we all know who the superior voice for this song is, so I have no interest in it at all. Not to mention that I don't want to reward what I feel is a slight towards Hayley by Decca. One of many, that is. Oh, and I see that Katherine gets collaborations with people like David Garrett. Nothing special like that for Hayley... unless we remember Ennio Morricone, who himself offered the collaboration, not Decca. If he hadn't thought of it first, I doubt Decca would have done anything of the sort for her. It's a complete travesty that The Moon Represents My Heart or Flowers in the Rainy Night were never available for sale even in Taiwan. I mean what on earth? The Moon Represents My Heart was probably the most successful song Hayley has had outside of Pokarekare Ana or Amazing Grace. Now Decca have had Katherine Jenkins record it. Someone is not fighting for Hayley's career. I sometimes wonder that Hayley herself perhaps needed to be forceful about this. Back when she was a teenager and energised she fought for Wuthering Heights. I may be proved wrong with Hayley's eventual new release, but I get the impression that over the last year or so she's lost motivation. There may be many reasons for that we don't know -- particularly concerning the inner workings of Decca. But it pains me to see Hayley sitting back and accepting things like Hushabye while other artists stand up and take all the opportunities that she should have had. |
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Post by Libby on Nov 2, 2014 5:12:30 GMT
I don't think Hayley has lost motivation. But at least they did allow that Baobei song as a bonus track on the Itunes version. But that's all they could manage, and that's my least favorite Taiwanese song she's done. The beginning notes are just too low and choppy for her voice.
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Post by Simba on Nov 2, 2014 15:34:30 GMT
Just listened to it on Itunes. Not a bad rendition, but it surprises me how much Decca supports KJ and not Hayley....she gets nice music videos too, and not since Both sides now did Hayley get a decent music video, everything under-produced and nothing of professional quality. Gabriel's oboe was okay, but seriously just one music video for that masterpiece of an album? Music videos really help...
And Moon represents my heart, it had to be released as a single for Hayley....by itself it would have been a win. But this, now I can see it becoming popular :/ And not to mention World in Union as well....Something that I don't like in the classical crossover industry, why can there never be an album of ONLY their songs? maybe 1 or 2 covers.....Why can't they write enough new classical music when there's talent to sing them? I never understood that, and lately I find that aspect of Classical albums boring. But something tells me Hayley's new album will be refreshing and original.
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Post by martindn on Nov 2, 2014 22:11:51 GMT
Well, I'm afraid it has a long history. Hayley does something, the others try to copy her, record their inferior versions and set out to out promote her and pretend it was their idea. Even Katherine is doing that now it seems. How have the mighty fallen. But Katherine doesn't even have the grace to admit it, unlike for example Jackie Evancho who does.
I'm still waiting however for someone to even attempt something from Paradiso. They know they are beaten there, so they ignore it. Morricone loved Hayley's voice for a very good reason; he recognises real talent when he hears it.
Martin D
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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Nov 2, 2014 22:38:03 GMT
Don't get me started on Jackie Evancho. She's from the state I live in and I can't even stand her.
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Post by frenchie on Nov 3, 2014 0:23:27 GMT
And Moon represents my heart, it had to be released as a single for Hayley....by itself it would have been a win. But this, now I can see it becoming popular :/ And not to mention World in Union as well....Something that I don't like in the classical crossover industry, why can there never be an album of ONLY their songs? maybe 1 or 2 covers.....Why can't they write enough new classical music when there's talent to sing them? I never understood that, and lately I find that aspect of Classical albums boring. But something tells me Hayley's new album will be refreshing and original. Simba, I have the same questions relating to new classical music as well. This is why I only listen to Hayley, Josh, and Sarah. I think and feel they are the most original in a genre that is plagued with covers and making a quick buck. It's sad to me because I love the style of music and would be a "full-time" fan of the genre if it were not for those things. But alas, since the drive to make money fast is present, the decision makers do not look far for their inspiration. Hence why so many copy Hayley (particularly Josh and Sarah), and artists that have classical influence in their music even if they are in pop or rock ie Sarah McLachlan, Celine, and Streisand. What I never understood is that fans of classical crossover are more likely to be fans of the classical influence pop/rock singers, and therefore would know the originals and be more critical? In my humble opinion, this is why CC is not super big here in the USA along with we are not big on classical music. I really hope Hayley's new album is amazing and original too. I didn't like Sarah's last album Dreamchaser. Truth be told, Hayley has replaced Sarah in music rotation for me the last 2-2.5 years. Just more uplifting and positive than always listening to break up and darker songs. Probably didn't help I played Sarah's music into the ground either. lol But Sarah's holy trinity and Harem are masterpieces in my opinion, and every time I do put them on I am amazed. I think Hayley has started her holy trinity with Paradiso, and I hope she continues with the next one. And before anyone says anything, I think Hayley's other records are great and amazing as well. But Paradiso is such a strong, unique body of work and except for "Here's to You", an original album. I'm with Martin in wanting to see who will be brave enough to try to cover from Paradiso. That's why I became a fan during the Paradiso era. It made Hayley raise above the crowd, and demand I notice her. Alicia |
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Post by Libby on Nov 3, 2014 5:45:17 GMT
Alicia, I'm kind of the opposite of you; I've listened to Hayley for a long time, and am now just "discovering" Sarah's music. Of course, I've known who she was for a long time; in fact, I heard of her long before Hayley, as well as Andrea Bocelli (Time to Say Goodbye was where I heard them both first, of course). I even started listening to her Scarborough Fair for a while, and got a couple of her CDs from the library. But not really being an opera fan, I didn't pursue her much further. It even took me a while to get hooked on Hayley because of that. It wasn't until earlier this year, when I found out Sarah was touring in Seattle again, that I decided to check out her music again. Unfortunately, her US tour was cancelled because of injury, and has not been rescheduled yet, so I'm very disappointed. So, right now, I'm listening to Sarah a lot more than Hayley, and even Josh, because it's newer to me. Hayley's music, as lovely as it is, has just grown old. Plus, I'm finding the fact that Sarah wrote/co-wrote lyrics to so many well-known classics, very novel. Plus, the way she infuses pop into classical just makes opera/classical more appealing and listenable. Whereas, Katherine Jenkins' style (back on topic, sort of!) maintains the boringness and dullness of the genre, the way I (and many other people still do) originally thought of classical music. She may be able to hit notes and use opera technique (though some "experts" beg to differ), but it doesn't mean it impresses me. Sarah Brightman is a much stronger opera singer, imo, with a much more beautiful sound. I do prefer sopranos, as a rule, though. Not to mention her voice is far more versatile; she doesn't use her opera voice for songs that aren't opera, and vice versa. She even has a song where she switches back and forth between opera and a softer, lighter voice, and it is very effective. I hate the way KJ insists on making every song she sings an opera song. I'd like to hear how she would sound without that yawn she uses. Because there's nothing natural about that at all. Sarah manages to sing opera perfectly well without that irritating effect. Another thing about KJ that turns me off is that, as far as I know, she never writes anything, and rarely has anything new to offer to the classical music world. It's like Decca just uses her as an opera singing machine. I honestly don't know how they put out so many albums for her, as unoriginal as they let her be. I just wonder if Hayley's aspirations of originality scare Decca a little bit; they seem so hesitant to allow her to record original songs that it makes me wonder if they're afraid to try to sell something that isn't well-known... But that didn't stop them from making a total shambles of the Hushabye promotion. |
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Post by martindn on Nov 3, 2014 15:54:33 GMT
Libby, I think it is to a large extent the X Factor effect. All the most successful pop artists these days seem to come from X Factor, where all they do is churn out the same old stuff over and over again, and make a pile of money doing do. Perhaps that's partly beciase that show appeals to a younger generation that have never heard the originals, but thatever the reason it seems to work. I guess the record companies are applying that same principle to crossover artists too. After all, the classics are the classics, and are even older than the pop classics for the most part. Those songs have been popular for many many years, so why shouldn't they remain popular I suspect is the thinking.
Only yesterday my son, in his early 30s, was bemoaning the lack of original artists, saying that there has not really been anything new since the heyday of the likes of The Who, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin and he has a point.
For the record companies the question is why take the risk of doing something new and different, which could fail, when they can do very nicely thank you churning out the same old stuff with new celebrity performers advertised on TV on shows like X Factor.
KJ, as you rightly say Libby, does very little that is original, but despite that her records seem to sell well. Lucy Kay too is doing well, despite her album having nothing whatsoever that is new or different, and despite better versions of everything she performs on it being available elsewhere. The modern idea of using celebrity to sell music rather than innovation in the music itself is something I dislike.
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Post by Bamafan on Nov 4, 2014 1:58:52 GMT
Don't get me started on Jackie Evancho. She's from the state I live in and I can't even stand her. But I like Jackie Evancho...  But back on topic, I agree with Katherine recycling material. Her style is not my favorite, but she's not untalented (not that I'm insinuating anyone here would or would not say that). But Hayley I think overall is the superior artist, especially in terms of uniqueness and adventurousness. Willingness to push boundaries. I think we'll see that with this next album. From my personal perspective, Hayley seems to be A) writing quite a bit for this album, and B) approaching it with great care. I don't know exactly what it will be, I can't pretend to, but judging by the efforts Hayley has decided to show us, I know it will be something she will be a part of, something she will be proud of, and definitely something worth enjoying. -Taylor i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif |
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