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Post by martindn on Jul 20, 2015 20:29:16 GMT
Wel, of course there are all those Christmas songs too. And a special request, could she at long last record O Holy Night? Nobody sings it better. Peace Shall Come would get my vote for a good Christian song written by Hayley. But I think if it were to be a general Christian album, rather than a Christmas album, she would have to limit the Christmas songs to perhaps just a couple. The two I mention would be good. Plus perhaps Mary did you know.
Martin D
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Post by Libby on Jul 21, 2015 7:23:17 GMT
Oh, well, comet, never mind then, but now the more I think about it, I really like MY idea (I'm not quite sure I really understand your idea now, and it doesn't sound like anything any record company would do, though I'm certainly no expert). Except I've come to the conclusion that the album wouldn't have to be necessarily a "Christian" album, per se, but perhaps they'd want to call it "inspirational" or something like that. I'm sure I've seen compilation albums with themes like that before. That way, not all of the songs would have to be exactly religious, and then could be "safe" to release in countries that aren't really Christian nations. It could include the older songs as well as newer material. And maybe some Christmas songs, if it were to be released around Christmas, or just have them be bonus tracks. You know like Silent Night and Away in a Manger were bonus tracks on a special UK edition of Pure. And if it is just "inspirational" rather than Christian or religious, On the Wings of Time could certainly work, though I have a feeling they'd only put it on the Japanese version, if at all. My only concern with an "inspirational" album put out by Decca would be that they'd limit the release to certain countries, because it's more of a specialty album, and they might not promote it much, especially if it contained a lot of previously-recorded songs. River of Dreams was a CD of mostly old recordings, and that was only released in certain countries. But, this sort of album would be something the US would be interested in. And, if they could release a silly lullaby album internationally, certainly they could do something like this. Inspirational/religious music is without a doubt more popular than lullabies! And I still like my idea of using this as something to release in the event she & Arnaud start having children; so that way, she can still release music without having to put a significant amount of time into it, and probably not even have to tour with it. Of course, it wouldn't have to be limited to that sort of thing. As I mentioned above, I'm not sure Decca would want to release all old songs. I think at the very least it would have to be half-and-half. I've put the suggestions together, and I added Heaven. Oh wait, how about Down in the River to Pray!?? Oh, how I'd love to finally have that on CD!! I remembered that when I thought of one of my old requests for Hayley, I'll Fly Away.  However, I'd love to hear at least one new hymn from Hayley, and other CC ladies have done that, so she could do something different, one that no other CC lady has done. I don't know what that would be; I'm sure KJ has sung everything there is already.  Another thought on these songs... would US radio be willing to play any of them, is the question? I still wonder if it would have to be released under a specifically Christian label in order for them to even consider it. And, as Taylor mentioned somewhere above, most stations are limited to artists who are specifically labeled as Christian artists. My station makes an exception at Christmas time which is why I wanted them to play Hayley's Christmas songs. They play Josh Groban and occasionally Jackie and Charlotte. Amazing Grace Heaven Benedictus Ave Maria You Are Water I Say Grace Down in the River to Pray Whispering Hope The Heart Worships Abide With Me Majesty I'll Make Music Whispers in a Dream You Raise Me Up I'm interested to know what everyone else thinks of this idea of an "Inspirational music" album. I'd love to have everyone's input on this. I'd create a thread, but I'm not sure where to put it. In the album board or Misc.? |
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Post by martindn on Jul 21, 2015 10:26:09 GMT
Well, Libby, there are plenty of hymns left that she hasn't recorded. The hymn book I have to hand has 571 of them, most of which have never been recorded by any CC artist (although I'll grant that some of them are a bit dirge like and would not be a good choice). I think I have mentioned it before, but if she wants a carol nobody else in CC has recorded how about "Of the Father's Love Begotten" which dates from the 5th century. I'm sure she would sound fabulous singing that, sends shivers down my spine just imagining it. There there is her take on "Love came down at Christmas". I think "Bridge over Troubled Water" is quite inspirational too.
I think she could almost do an album of bereavement songs too, although I'm not necessarily saying its a good idea. Things like "1000 winds", "Heaven", "Nada Sousou", "Tsubomi", "Listen to the wind", "I know you by heart" , perhaps even "A Crescent Moon".
Martin D
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Post by Libby on Jul 21, 2015 20:07:01 GMT
True, Martin, but with those songs you mention (now, this is going by Decca's way of thinking), it would have to be a Japanese release. Yes, Bridge OTW could be inspirational, but I'm still holding out hope the song will be on her next album. Now, an example of classical singers singing more religious songs: Katherine Jenkins' Sacred Arias, released by Decca in 2008. She has some songs Hayley has sung (on CD or concert) like Abide With Me and Down in the River to Pray (I'd still want Hayley to actually put that one on CD; she sounds 10 times better singing it). Most of them are more of the aria type, like Pie Jesu and Panis Angelicus. I kind of doubt Hayley would do quite so many arias, especially if the album were to include older songs like some of the ones we've mentioned. KJ actually didn't include all that many hymns on the album, though I think she may have some on some other albums, like Be Still My Soul. But, she did include a Christmas song, Silent Night. So, this shows that an album by Hayley could include a Christmas song or two. Okay, I'm searching through Amazon.com, and I'm surprised at how many albums KJ has in each year. I think I saw 3 that were released in 2009! Good heavens. Who's teacher's pet, here, I wonder? Choosing hymns that the UK, the US, NZ, etc. would all know and/or like could mean different album versions, as usual. The ones I've thought of are ones familiar to me from my own church experiences. One I thought of though, like Be Thou My Vision, I seem to remember reading somewhere may have Irish origins. I did a general search on Amazon for hymns under Sacred & Religious, and I found a CD called 50 most loved hymns. It looked like most were performed by London orchestras, and here, I recognized lots of hymns, including BTMV. Ooh, how I'd love to hear her sing Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah! Yes, Charlotte sang it, but that was a looong time ago! I'm starting to get too excited here, and here I am, the one who's supposedly tired of themed albums. But, knowing Decca, will they allow her to be very independent for very long (if at all)? Might as well do something nice like this. And Katherine seems to have almost nothing BUT themed albums, but then she doesn't seem to be the independent, creative type like Hayley.  Here are some hymns that I saw from that CD that I like for Hayley, and ones I also think the US would like: Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing Joyful, Joyful We Adore Thee How Great Thou Art All Creatures of Our God and King Be Thou My Vision O God Our Help in Ages Past Praise God From Whom All Blessings Flow Holy, Holy, Holy Pretty much any of them would be nice; I'm not saying she should sing all of these, just listing some ideas. In that case, maybe Abide with Me could be abandoned for different hymns like this (and I like all of these better than AWM). Also, she wouldn't have to include ALL of her other old songs. Actually, maybe only a few, like Amazing Grace and Ave Maria, which are probably her most popular. I'm guessing Hayley herself would choose a mix of hymns, classical songs (like Ave Maria) and contemporary pop Christian music, perhaps including her own songs (like Peace Shall Come?). Hayley's best [classical] albums were always a mixture of styles, and that's what this would likely be. If she wanted to do it, of course. I personally don't think she'd be against it. Though maybe she could wait for a couple of "real" Hayley albums first, just to give us a break from themed albums, and have the "real" Hayley back for a while. |
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Post by Libby on Jul 21, 2015 20:50:23 GMT
Okay, here's a new list with new and old songs (sorry for all the long posts and long lists, LOL): Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah Be Thou My Vision Down in the River to Pray Majesty Joyful, Joyful We Adore Thee I'll Make Music How Great Thou Art Ave Maria You Raise Me Up Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing The Heart Worships Amazing Grace All Things Bright and Beautiful (I just remembered Hayley sang that) I'll Fly Away I Will Rise (see paragraph below for more info) Bonus tracks: Peace Shall Come Mary Did You Know O Holy Night There, Martin, there's the Christmas songs. i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifI thought of a more current, contemporary Christian song that's played on the radio. It's beautiful, and I really like it. It's a little along the lines of Majesty where it's very much about Jesus, but to me it's very poetic, too. So it's a little more than just "inspirational". It's called I Will Rise, by Chris Tomlin (a very, very popular artist in the US). His voice is very warm and pleasant, so it already sounds beautiful. But I just now read the lyrics and imagined Hayley singing it, and it would be incredibly beautiful. So that's why I added that. I'm spending another day off looking up all this stuff. LOL There's not much else to do today. Oh, BTW, I just found a 50 Favourit Hymns put out by Decca called Abide With Me! Just thought I'd mention that. |
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Post by martindn on Jul 21, 2015 21:39:10 GMT
Libby, I have a book here called "Forty Favourite Hymns" written by Aled Jones. There is the words of each hymn followed by a few pages of background information. Several of them are in your list, but others that might work are
Dear Lord and Father of Mankind
Make Me a Channel of Your Peace
Love Divine
The Day Thou Gavest, Lord, Is Ended
My Song is Love Unknown
Jerusalem (I've heard Hayley sing that live, it's on my YouTube)
Shine Jesus Shine
Nearer my God to Thee (Siobhan Owen recorded that)
Thine Be the Glory
I Vow to The My Coutry (Hayley sang that at Beaumanor too)
The Lord's my Shepherd
Great is Thy Faithfulness
and one for you Americans
Battle Hymn of the Republic
Martin D
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Post by cloudbusting.heights on Jul 21, 2015 21:48:35 GMT
Libby, I have a book here called "Forty Favourite Hymns" written by Aled Jones. There is the words of each hymn followed by a few pages of background information. Several of them are in your list, but others that might work are Dear Lord and Father of Mankind Make Me a Channel of Your Peace Love Divine The Day Thou Gavest, Lord, Is Ended My Song is Love Unknown Jerusalem (I've heard Hayley sing that live, it's on my YouTube) Shine Jesus Shine Nearer my God to Thee (Siobhan Owen recorded that) Thine Be the Glory I Vow to The My Coutry (Hayley sang that at Beaumanor too) The Lord's my Shepherd Great is Thy Faithfulness and one for you Americans Battle Hymn of the Republic Martin D I'd really like to hear her sing Battle Hymn of the Republic! |
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Post by Libby on Jul 21, 2015 21:58:17 GMT
You Americans. Thanks, Martin. i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif That's more of a patriotic song, though, I guess you wouldn't know that just by the lyrics. However, You Americans would take it as patriotic. I only know a few of the ones in your list, Martin. That's if they're the same songs I'm thinking of. Jerusalem, Shine Jesus Shine, Nearer My God to Thee, and ... I think Thine Be the Glory. Oh, and The Lord's My Shepherd and Great is Thy Faithfulness. I Vow to Thee My Country does not quite fit into this category, Martin. I'd much rather here God Defend New Zealand from Hayley, and I've considered buying the NZ version of Treasure to get it. Or was that on their RoD? If it's still available, of course. |
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Post by frenchie on Jul 22, 2015 1:14:13 GMT
Wow! hahaha What a conversation! We went from hearing Hayley playing on American radio to... possible promotion strategies on American radio to... planning her next one off record (record in-between "real" album releases). I think the religious/inspirational thread that runs through Hayley's career to be unique and amazing. I think it's what makes her stand out along with her voice. With this being said, I am surprised Decca has not done anything with this theme yet! I agree with comet that this is one way to promote Hayley to broaden her fanbase. It's a way to promote Hayley if she is not doing anything strictly classical on this upcoming record. I think Libby's idea to have Decca create a record- I know your talking about commerical release- that was released with what Hayley has done both past and present when this new record comes out could help Hayley. I believe Hayley will have to spend a large chuck of marketing money in re-interoducting herself to the public (particulary in the USA), and this is one way to do just that! Christian artists have an additional benefit that most other genres don't have and that is their work gets performed/sung at churches across the country (and the world?) on a weekly basis. The churches are paying royalties to be able to sing popular Christian songs! And it could be Hayley's songs! With the Christian audience and the Celtic crowd, Hayley would have a great following here. Just saying....maybe allow more concerts and appearances that's all. As far as the CD you guys are planning, I would love a more powerful version of Bridge Over Troubled Water and I think they should include I Believe. One of Hayley's best!! Also the way she does Over the Rainbow would be good too! If they were to do a CD like this, I think either they (Decca) would include more songs or would cast as big a net as possible by including inspirational songs like BOTW and I Believe for the not so Christian person. They are in the business to sell and make a profit! I know, I know...it stinks! Hence why we are waiting for the real Hayley album to come. |
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Post by comet on Jul 22, 2015 12:17:54 GMT
I really should have used the words "Radio Promo" earlier in this thread and not just for the United States but Worldwide.
It wasn't an idea for an album but a means of promotion to a certain group of people who probably would not be listening to Pop stations. The kind of people who would buy an album instead of trying to obtain the tracks free through some internet sites.
Looking at some of the earlier tracklists of recorded Hayley songs proposed by Libby and MartinDn, They look good.
I know it takes a little time and you need to have all the tracks, but I love making up compilation cds for my own use in the car, home or workshop. It is a good way to test the tracklist to hear if it runs smoothly on the ear and mind in reality, some tracks can clash with the track that follows, breaking a mood or atmosphere that has been created by the previous tracks but that is only a problem if you play it as a unit.
If it were a "Promo" it is likely only single tracks would be played from it at any given time.
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Post by martindn on Jul 22, 2015 12:18:57 GMT
Yes, "I Believe", how did I forget that one. And "God Defend New Zealand" would be good too.
"Immortal Invisible" is another well know hymn she cold include.
And of course both "Jerusalem" and "I Vow to The My Country" are considered English patriotic songs.
And Frenchie. I assume you mean the Tim Evans arrangement of "Over the Rainbow" rather than the one she recorded on "My Gift to You".
As for "I Vow to Thee My Country" there is lots of interesting (to me anyway) information about it in Aled's book. The words were written by an English diplomat, Cecil Spring-Rice, and quotes from Proverbs 3:17. The tune (Thaxted)of course is from Holst's "Jupiter" from "The Planets". Aled says that he has never performed this Hymn, which has been recorded by Charlotte Church, Katherine Jenkins and G4 among others. It was a favourite of Princess Diana, and was sung at both her wedding and her funeral.
Martin D
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Post by frenchie on Jul 23, 2015 1:03:13 GMT
Yes, "I Believe", how did I forget that one. And "God Defend New Zealand" would be good too. "Immortal Invisible" is another well know hymn she cold include. And of course both "Jerusalem" and "I Vow to The My Country" are considered English patriotic songs. And Frenchie. I assume you mean the Tim Evans arrangement of "Over the Rainbow" rather than the one she recorded on "My Gift to You". As for "I Vow to Thee My Country" there is lots of interesting (to me anyway) information about it in Aled's book. The words were written by an English diplomat, Cecil Spring-Rice, and quotes from Proverbs 3:17. The tune (Thaxted)of course is from Holst's "Jupiter" from "The Planets". Aled says that he has never performed this Hymn, which has been recorded by Charlotte Church, Katherine Jenkins and G4 among others. It was a favourite of Princess Diana, and was sung at both her wedding and her funeral. Martin D Yes. Tim Evan's arrangement of Over the Rainbow. It was very beautiful at the concert. |
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Post by Libby on Jul 23, 2015 5:16:18 GMT
Comet, no need to fret about the whole misunderstanding... I'm actually glad I misunderstood, because now it's blossomed to a good idea! I'm still not quite sure I entirely understand your idea. Can you give me an example of any artist who has ever put out such a promo CD as you suggest? Perhaps if you give an example of an existing one, I could understand better. However, I'm really doubting Decca would do that. Not to brag, but I personally think they'd be much more keen on my idea, seeing how much they love to make themed albums.  Bridge OTW is great, though I've really been hoping that would be on her upcoming album, and OTR would definitely be acceptable as well. I never thought I'd say that about OTR, but after hearing her sing it live, I am now saying it. Martin, those patriotic songs are all nice, but I don't see how they fit on an album of hymns/religious/inspirational songs. These songs are mainly focused on God, not country. I suppose one patriotic song per country would work (Japan, though?), but let's not overdo the bonus tracks. I think I ought to start a thread for this album idea; it is kind off-topic now that we realize it wasn't what comet meant. I'm still not sure whether to put it in the Albums thread or Misc. It's a potential album idea, so I'm not sure about putting it in Albums. Richard, what say you ?? Well, if a new thread is started, I think I'd call it "Album Idea for Hayley" and maybe include the theme, though it's hard to settle on just the right word for the theme: inspirational? hymns & other inspirational music? |
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Post by Richard on Jul 23, 2015 7:10:44 GMT
Hello Libby!  This is a great idea. I think suggestions for possible future albums should be posted on the general discussion section of the Albums board, below the sub-boards. I like the title "Album Idea for Hayley", so it's over to you to start the thread! Richard  |
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Post by comet on Jul 23, 2015 8:49:00 GMT
Hi Libby,
Most promo cds are for an album or a tour or both.
I don't know if promos have been made before with a particular group of listeners in mind, no doubt someone else has thought of it. Sending the promo by e mail would reduce the cost dramatically. Most stations use a computer server instead of cds now. But it is always nice to have a cd copy of an album. I suspect there are people who would not listen to mainstream radio, but would listen to a Christian station knowing the material has already been filtered of offensive type lyrics and ideas.
But in the end, the objective of a promo is to SELL albums.
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However, I'd love to hear at least one new hymn from Hayley, and other CC ladies have done that, so she could do something different, one that no other CC lady has done. I don't know what that would be; I'm sure KJ has sung everything there is already. 
