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Post by martindn on May 22, 2011 19:30:28 GMT
I agree Libby,
What on earth could they do to improve it? It is a masterpiece as it is.
Well, they could improve the album presntation, include a lyrics booklet and more detailed information about the recording sessions, which are of interest to some of us. But as for the music, don't touch it, it is wonderful.
Martin D
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Post by stevemacdonald on May 22, 2011 20:17:17 GMT
...And as far as changing the sound of the music for the "https://i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gififferent" audiences, do you really think Morricone would allow them to ruin his compositions? Already, so far, at least, it appears that they've kept all of the same songs for each release. That already is something they've never done before. I just don't think they'd even be ludicrous enough to alter Ennio's songs. That would utterly ruin them!!  ... Keep in mind Ennio is a veritable superstar in American cinema because of his association with Clint Eastwood's successful Western movies. Many people can immediately recognize his themes. It is not preposterous to think Decca might want to emphasize the tracks that resonate well with our cultural tastes. Okay, it's silly to imagine them changing anything if it's already perfect, but I for one wouldn't put it past them. |
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Post by Dennis S. on May 22, 2011 23:13:30 GMT
I agree Libby, What on earth could they do to improve it? It is a masterpiece as it is. Well, they could improve the album presntation, include a lyrics booklet and more detailed information about the recording sessions, which are of interest to some of us. But as for the music, don't touch it, it is wonderful. Martin D I agree with your sentiment, all it needs is lyrics and translations and Paradiso will be America ready. Translations are important here since some artists make a habit of swearing and/or cursing in foreign languages, causing paranoia on the part of many responsible parents. |
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Post by Libby on May 23, 2011 6:06:38 GMT
If people recognize his themes, and Ennio is a superstar, then why on earth would they want to change the tracks in any way? Especially since already they've been changed a little bit for Hayley? For those reasons, I would put it past Decca, because it just doesn't make any sense at all. And it wouldn't be the first time Hayley's American release didn't have lyrics. The only album that ever had lyrics in it was Pure. But it's the only album I've ever seen translations to lyrics inside, though. Yes, it would be very nice, but I won't hold my breath. The version that is most likely to have lyrics is the Japanese version. All my CDs from Japan have translations, even when other versions don't.  |
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Post by stevemacdonald on May 24, 2011 18:14:15 GMT
If people recognize his themes, and Ennio is a superstar, then why on earth would they want to change the tracks in any way? Especially since already they've been changed a little bit for Hayley? For those reasons, I would put it past Decca, because it just doesn't make any sense at all.... Hayley has yet to make a big impression in the States on the scale that she has elsewhere. A whole lot is riding on Paradiso in terms of her getting her best chance ever to connect with American consumers. My guess is that Decca will go to great lengths to give her this one last shot and will tweak Paradiso to the nth degree to assure its appeal stateside. That means the possibility of tracks that boost her voice over the music if it sweetens the overall sound. I think they see Hayley as the main focus here, not Ennio who's already accomplished his missions. |
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Post by martindn on May 24, 2011 20:36:03 GMT
Hi Steve,
Why should Hayley be the main foculs is she is less well known than Ennio. Would it not be better to use Ennio's name to promote Hayley.
Make use of the fact that Hayley made such an impression on him that he wanted to record a whole album with her. Then use the same music. I really don't think that the music needs changing, and it is an insult to suggest that the American record buying public are dumber than they are anywhere else in the world and need to be spoonfed. Surely there are enough that will recognise quality when they hear it, assuming that they are allowed to hear it.
Martin D
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Post by stevemacdonald on May 24, 2011 21:20:08 GMT
... I really don't think that the music needs changing, and it is an insult to suggest that the American record buying public are dumber than they are anywhere else in the world and need to be spoonfed. Surely there are enough that will recognise quality when they hear it, assuming that they are allowed to hear it. Martin D Never suggested that, Martin, if you allow my point—which is that Americans have cultural tastes that can be appealed (I never said "pandered") to. Another point is, record labels do it with all artists anyway, including the Beatles whose North American albums were frequently different from their UK counterparts. It's entirely reasonable to suggest that Paradiso can be seen as a flexible product with "wiggle room" built in for different markets, just like Hayley's previous releases. |
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Post by martindn on May 24, 2011 21:55:16 GMT
Hi Steve,
Yes, I'm sure there is the potential to change things. It is just that I cannot see how any such change could be for the better. The orchestration on the album is wonderful - and Hayley's voice is part of it as she herself has said. Messing about with that balance can only destroy the artistic impression that they meant to create.
I don't think that the best selling albums of all time, the likes of Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd, Shania Twain, tweaked their albums for different countries. If music is good it is good. I cannot image how Paradiso could be improved musicwise - so any tweaking will only make it worse. And furthermore would be an insult to both Hayley and Ennio. A masterspiece is a masterpiece, wherever it is in the world. Do the great classical composers change their compositions for the American market? And do Americans appriciate them less because of it? I don't believe it.
UK versions of her albums were different because of the need to qualify for the classical charts here. Some of them barely did - but that was essential to their success. Pure is the best selling classical ablbum of the century here, yet it barely qualified as classical. There is only one track different between the US and UK versions, perhaps a second version on Hine e Hine counts as clssical whereas Across the Universe of Time doesn't. I think it was the UK that lost out there.
I don't believe there are any issues like that with Paradiso. Classic FM regards film music as classical (for some unfathomable reason) and that means Paradiso should qualify. There is therefore no reason for the US version to be any different - and I don't think it will be.
Martin D
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Post by stevemacdonald on May 24, 2011 22:34:58 GMT
Hi Martin,
I won't go on about this anymore, except to say the American release of Pure actually had a newer version of "Wuthering Heights" on it — and it was much nicer sounding, in my opinion. I think they did their homework and brightened the sound up just for us. Maybe they'll address some of the points made on the first page of this thread and attempt a tweak or two.
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Post by Libby on May 25, 2011 5:43:46 GMT
As long as it's nothing more than making her voice a bit more prominent, then I'm not totally against that. But the music is so beautiful, plus I don't see much need to turn it down - much. I'm not really noticing the music overpowering her so much anymore. Maybe I'm just used to it. But, do you really think America doesn't appreciate beautiful music like that? Especially if it's something they're familiar with?
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Post by susieverity on Jun 9, 2011 9:24:32 GMT
I also can't understand why so many think she uses autotune- I have seen her live and there is no way that is the case- its really annoying. The bottom line is that as long as as many people as possible get to hear the album then it will do well and anyone who knows good music would buy this album! |
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Post by Simba on Jun 9, 2011 14:02:38 GMT
I KNOW!!! That's sooo annoying....Autotune for Hayley!?!? For heaven's sake she's a real musician!
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Post by martindn on Jun 9, 2011 18:38:54 GMT
Yes, that's another thing autotune! I've posted another comment to set them straight on that. Those of us who have heard Hayley sing without a microphone know that her pitch control really is too good to be true, she doesn't need artificial aids.
Martin D
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Post by kijjik on Jun 9, 2011 23:38:39 GMT
Don't usually post, but, as a past offender, I should say something here. I first heard Hayley on YT and fell in love with her voice in her live performances. When I listen to her recordings, however, I hear something that originally sounded to me like it might be autotune. I was upset because Hayley does not NEED autotune (autotune is not always used for pitch correction). Her albums continue to have a muted vocal sound to them that is not in the live performances and I find very annoying. I want to hear Hayley's real voice, but as of now, I can only hear it on YT live performances. I guess Hayley is pleased with this studio sound, but I am certainly not.
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Post by Libby on Jun 10, 2011 4:16:29 GMT
Well, I certainly do not think they use autotune for Hayley. I think maybe some people just can't believe anyone would have the amazingly perfect pitch that Hayley has, but she really does!
One thing about Hayley's live vs. studio performances: Hayley has said before that she uses a different technique when she sings live than when she records. So maybe that's part of the difference you're hearing. And, quite likely, the recording systems may not capture the full quality of her voice.
But even so, I don't have any problem with the way she sounds on CD at all.
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