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Post by Joe on Feb 8, 2011 23:34:25 GMT
I’m sorry you find this discussion boring, Larry but you don’t have to read it if you don’t wish to. I would like to point out that nobody is trying to speculate; that is not the purpose of this discussion. I merely invited members to offer their opinions as to which direction they think may be of benefit to Hayley’s career. With respect, I don’t believe it is your place to tell other members what they can and can’t post to this site. I had hoped to respond to a few other comments that have been made since my last visit but, in view of the above, perhaps I had better refrain. Hi Joe You're absolutely right I don't have to read them. And I seldom do. So I guess when there's not much else going on some may find them interesting. MY BAD Larry  Hi Larry It was xanadu66 who said that you didn't have to read these posts, not me. Best wishes, Joe |
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Post by Elliot Kane on Feb 9, 2011 2:32:17 GMT
Libby & Martin, OK, we have LITTLE evidence of how much Hayley writes herself, and what. Martin, I hate to say it, but you are mostly operating on guesswork. 'We might suppose' and 'perhaps it happened that' do not proof make. A lack of mention of Franzel may simply mean Hayley saw no need to mention him in a question which was directed towards finding out what she has had a part in writing. Treasure has exactly one song on it that Hayley had a hand in writing. Winter Magic has three, which to you may be a good thing, but if you recall my opinion of that album, you will realise I am unlikely to be swayed by that. Or not positively, at any rate!  Hayley does seem to have done a LOT of the translating on the HSJS albums, but unless she speaks fluent Japanese (Anyone know?) presumably this required prior translation. Either that or she fit her own words to the music. In any case, this is far too conjectural to be a useful indicator. I'm reduced to 'maybe' and 'perhaps' myself, now. To reiterate, however: Hayley has never solo-written so much as a single song. We do not know how much she had to do with the writing of any of them, nor the translating of translations. She has been credited for lyric writing on the HSJS albums, but we do not know if she translated from the Japanese herself, or if there were prior translations. For the two of you, there may be ample evidence to say that Hayley shows promise as a songwriter. I, however, find not enough evidence to come to any conclusions on the matter. So I await further proof, with interest. |
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Post by Libby on Feb 9, 2011 7:15:39 GMT
Libby & Martin, OK, we have LITTLE evidence of how much Hayley writes herself, and what. Martin, I hate to say it, but you are mostly operating on guesswork. Treasure has exactly one song on it that Hayley had a hand in writing. That is absolutely wrong. Did you not read my post, or do you not believe me? I looked in Hayley's book and inside my Treasure booklet. It clearly lists Hayley's name in 4 songs! That means she definitely had a hand in writing all of those songs, no matter how little you seem to think she did. So, yes, there's only one song where she wrote all the lyrics to. You're operating on guesswork, too, Elliot. You don't know any more about it than we do. You make it seem as if because we don't know for sure about a certain thing, it can't possibly be true. And Martin and I aren't guessing about everything. I happen to believe that Hayley meant what she says in her book about the songs she wrote. If we have little evidence that she is a good songwriter, then we also have little evidence that she isn't, either. |
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Post by larryhauck on Feb 9, 2011 16:37:11 GMT
Libby & Martin, OK, we have LITTLE evidence of how much Hayley writes herself, and what. Martin, I hate to say it, but you are mostly operating on guesswork. Treasure has exactly one song on it that Hayley had a hand in writing. That is absolutely wrong. Did you not read my post, or do you not believe me? I looked in Hayley's book and inside my Treasure booklet. It clearly lists Hayley's name in 4 songs! That means she definitely had a hand in writing all of those songs, no matter how little you seem to think she did. So, yes, there's only one song where she wrote all the lyrics to. You're operating on guesswork, too, Elliot. You don't know any more about it than we do. You make it seem as if because we don't know for sure about a certain thing, it can't possibly be true. And Martin and I aren't guessing about everything. I happen to believe that Hayley meant what she says in her book about the songs she wrote. If we have little evidence that she is a good songwriter, then we also have little evidence that she isn't, either. Hi Libby I don't care who write Hayley's music. I just want to hear her sing it. Larry x |
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Post by larryhauck on Feb 9, 2011 16:39:25 GMT
I’m sorry you find this discussion boring, Larry but you don’t have to read it if you don’t wish to. I would like to point out that nobody is trying to speculate; that is not the purpose of this discussion. I merely invited members to offer their opinions as to which direction they think may be of benefit to Hayley’s career. With respect, I don’t believe it is your place to tell other members what they can and can’t post to this site. I had hoped to respond to a few other comments that have been made since my last visit but, in view of the above, perhaps I had better refrain. Hi Joe You're absolutely right I don't have to read them. And I seldom do. So I guess when there's not much else going on some may find them interesting. MY BAD Larry Hi Larry It was xanadu66 who said that you didn't have to read these posts, not me. Best wishes, Joe Hi Joe Sorry for the mix up. I should have known that's not your style. Larry |
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Post by Dave on Feb 9, 2011 20:59:42 GMT
Hi everyone, I've removed a small number of recent posts from the thread, hopefully to help to keep things a bit calmer than they might have become. The thread is now open for discussion again but let's try and keep it calm, on topic and positive, please. We seem to have been focusing heavily on Hayley's lyric/song writing skills, which is fine if members wish to suggest more of that as a direction in which they think she should be going. What I don't want to see are arguments about the exact level of her skills in this area, as that is a matter of personal opinion, which should be respected, even by those who disagree. My own opinion is that Hayley should continue to develop her song-writing skills, especially (but not only) lyrics, and I would encourage her to do that selectively for all suitable future albums. I think there is plenty of evidence of Hayley's potential, as has been mentioned in several posts above. The discussion has reminded me of what I wrote nearly two years ago in a thread entitled: Fan Survey From Bedlam Management. The first two survey questions and my answers were: 1. What has been your favourite album of Hayley's so far? And why?
Treasure (Loved the song choices especially the obscure ones; Nice Hayley input on some songs & lyrics.
2. And do you have a favourite song?
Melancholy Interlude (Exquisite tune & performance; an element of mystery about Hayley's simple but sublime lyrics) [/b][/size][/quote] I meant every word, and to this day, "Melancholy Interlude" is high up in my top five all-time Hayley songs. Hayley's lyrics match perfectly her exquisite performance of this simple but lovely melody. I would strongly encourage her to search out similar obscure and beautiful melodies like this in the future, and to add her own lyrics to them. Cheers, Dave |
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Post by Joe on Feb 10, 2011 2:45:59 GMT
Hi Larry It was xanadu66 who said that you didn't have to read these posts, not me. Best wishes, Joe Hi Joe Sorry for the mix up. I should have known that's not your style. Larry It's no trouble my friend  I would love Hayley to do some cover versions of the old standards such as Ella Fitzgerald, Barbra Streisand etc. We would have the familiar songs from the past energized with Hayley's voice. i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifBest wishes to all, Joe |
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Post by Libby on Feb 10, 2011 6:54:18 GMT
Joe, Hayley did say once that she'd like to collaborate with Barbra one day, so maybe even if that doesn't happen, she might at least sing one of her songs, or something. Larry, I definitely agree. I love everything Hayley sings, no matter who writes them. But I just think the ones that Hayley co-wrote are especially beautiful songs, and they are among my favorite songs of all. So I hope for a lot more true Hayley songs in the future. |
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Post by Jeff on Feb 10, 2011 11:38:06 GMT
Yes Dave we all want the same thing, don't we, an enduring successful career for Hayley ? Whatever direction she goes in I'm sure we'll all still follow her anyway. I must say I've been finding it hard to reply to threads like this since 99% is speculation which is no doubt due to so little hard news about Hayley or the new album at the moment. Matters aren't helped when Hayley sometimes posts enigmatic tweets as she likes to tease us which leaves us guessing as to what she is keeping up her sleeve !
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Post by Elliot Kane on Feb 10, 2011 15:34:37 GMT
Libby, I pulled my copy of Treasure off the shelf. And then promptly misread the inlay. Mea culpa. Nonetheless, I think you summed up the entire debate perfectly with this: We have little evidence to judge her song writing ability by. That's what I've been saying all along. *** To return to the main topic: I think we are all (Well, most of us! ) likely to agree that Hayley's main problem is getting the world to listen to her enough that it falls in love with her voice. Internet & TV have both been mentioned, but another major opportunity is coming up I'm not sure anyone has mentioned, yet. The Hobbit is being made into a film, and it's going to be immense. I think we can pretty much guarantee that. Hayley singing on the soundtrack would surely be a good step forward for her. Film work is always a bit risky, as there's no guarantee what might or might not be a hit, and if the idea is to gain a career boost then picking the right film is not easy. But The Hobbit carries all the risk of playing with loaded dice. It has to be a good opportunity, if Hayley's team can swing it for her. More film work generally wouldn't hurt, mind. |
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Post by martindn on Feb 10, 2011 21:43:23 GMT
Elliot,
It's worth looking at my "Original HSJS2" thread which gives us an idea of the process that was gone through to create the lyrics on Hayley's album (although I admit it kind of assumes that the reader has copies of those albums and is familiar wth Hayley's lyrics - if you don't you can probably find her lyrics on the internet).
Hayley is named as lyricist on most of the songs, usually with Suzi Kim or someone else I admit. But I would expect that Suzi, being Japanese, would have helped with the translation, and the setting it into a lyric in English that scans and rhymes would have been done by Hayley. Any additions that were not in the original, of which there are quite a few, I would guess came from Hayley too.
Some of those lyrics are wonderful. I would think that they were put together by someone who has English as their first language and who has an interest in the use of words (if you follow Hayley's tweets it is obvious that she enjoys using words in clever and sometimes enigmatic ways, and has an interst in words and languages - she would have to anyway to have sung and recorded songs in so many dfferent languages).
Some of the lyrics are fairly close translations of the originals, yet some are less close. And sometimes I think we can work our which bits Hayley wrote. It's a fascinating study.
Sometimes I think we are looking for solid proof of who wrote what, when the best we can have is the balance of probabilities. It's like those arguments that suggest that someone other than Shakespeare wrote Shakespeares plays. You can't prove they didn't, but gut instinct says Shakespeare really did.
But if you have met the person involved a number of times, followed them for a third of their life (and for three quarters of their professional life), read everything you can find about them and own all of their major works, perhaps you might be able to recognise their personal stamp on things. In the same way that I can instantly recognise Hayley's voce, even at low volume levels.
It's a matter of style. It's the same reason why I think Luke wrote the Letter to the Hebrews, rather than Paul as many believe. No doubt there is software these days, perhaps based on a Bayesian approach, that could assign a probability to that.
I suppose in the end you can't be sure of anything unless you were there at the time. And even then, you might have been hallucinating..
Martin D
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Post by Libby on Feb 11, 2011 3:43:05 GMT
...another major opportunity is coming up I'm not sure anyone has mentioned, yet.The Hobbit is being made into a film, and it's going to be immense. I think we can pretty much guarantee that. Hayley singing on the soundtrack would surely be a good step forward for her. Film work is always a bit risky, as there's no guarantee what might or might not be a hit, and if the idea is to gain a career boost then picking the right film is not easy. But The Hobbit carries all the risk of playing with loaded dice. It has to be a good opportunity, if Hayley's team can swing it for her. More film work generally wouldn't hurt, mind. Wow, Elliot, where've you been? :2fun: I only sent my letter to Peter Jackson 2 years ago next Wednesday! I'm way ahead of you on that. :wink: They started work on it late 2008, and I wrote to him about having Hayley sing for the soundtrack. I got a very positive response. For more details on that, visit the Hobbit movie thread in the off-topic board. So, if Hayley really does get to do it, you can thank me for it. i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif Okay, they probably could've thought of it on their own. But I just thought that somebody from America sending a letter all the way to New Zealand to ask for one of New Zealand's most famous singers to sing for the movies would get their attention. But remember, there are 2 movies, so they might save the best for the ending of the story. But I don't know if I can wait till Dec. 2013 for that!  |
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Post by Richard on Feb 11, 2011 8:11:05 GMT
Hello Libby!  I'm hoping Hayley's new album with Ennio Morricone will be a big success. If it is, I'm sure Hayley will get plenty of offers to sing on future film scores. Richard  |
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Post by Libby on Feb 12, 2011 3:55:48 GMT
She should be asked for the Hobbit, no matter how successful. But the more successful it is, probably the more likely they'd choose her. I'm sure my letter didn't hurt, either. :wink:
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Post by larryhauck on Feb 12, 2011 5:02:39 GMT
She should be asked for the Hobbit, no matter how successful. But the more successful it is, probably the more likely they'd choose her. I'm sure my letter didn't hurt, either. Hi Libby If they don't choose Hayley It sure as heck won't be you're fault.. Larry x |
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