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Post by nicola on Sept 1, 2010 6:55:28 GMT
Hated the song choice.  Good performance anyway.  |
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Post by anshita on Sept 1, 2010 8:56:26 GMT
BTW, I was just wondering if Dark Waltz is a original by Hayley(?) Cool if it is though! Singers starting to do Hayley covers! Awesome. Cheers, Anshita Hi, Anshita.. For many months, I was mistaken about the Dark Waltz origins. Now I know that, yes, it was a song written for Hayley's Pure album,. so, we can say the original singer is Hayley (although it was not written by her. On the other side, Jackie has also a video singing River of Dreams, and, although the melody is much older, the setting with those lyrics I think we can consider a Hayley song too. So, yes, indeed, Jackie has been picking Hayley's songs for her performances, and that's something we should appreciate: Hayley setting standards in the Classical Crossover genre means she is one of the great in that genre. Michal Oh, I see... There was an article where she listed her musical influences, and Hayley was one of them! Cool!!  |
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Post by mihizawi on Sept 1, 2010 10:00:20 GMT
Nicola, I would never guess you hated the song choice!   Personally, it isn't a favorite of mine, but thinking in terms of gaining popularity, I think it is a very ood choice (Sarah Brightman is the most known CC artist in tthe USA, isn't she?). And, of course, stunning performance by Jackie, once again WOW! Michal |
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Post by Libby on Sept 1, 2010 18:11:23 GMT
Well, I thought it was pretty good. The ending sounded especially nice. Yes, Sarah Brightman and Andrea Bocelli are the most popular CC singers. I still think she should try something a little less operatic. I've seen the videos where voice sounds so much smoother and pretty. I don't like the quavering so much in her AGT songs. I really not crazy about that operatic tone. If her parents say she isn't going to be an opera star, then why is she singing opera? I think if she sang less operatic, she would still impress everybody, and would still make it. What was so bad about the song, anyway?  What should she sing? |
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Post by Libby on Sept 1, 2010 18:12:48 GMT
Joe, I didn't think you were that serious, but why bring it up at all, then? |
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Post by mihizawi on Sept 1, 2010 18:42:15 GMT
Well, I thought it was pretty good. The ending sounded especially nice. Yes, the ending was nice indeed, but the last note shivered right at the end. The preassure and emotion betrayed her, I guess... However, this doesn't make ot less outstanding, I am sure not many people noticed it, and afterall, she is 10! Michal |
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Post by nicola on Sept 1, 2010 19:53:37 GMT
On a personal level, I hate the song with a vengence (ironically is used to be my favourite song of all time and it got me into classical crossover music). Simply because it has been DONE TO DEATH.
On a technical level for Jackie - there were too many lyrics for her voice to get around - she doesn't have much dexterity in her voice so it wasn't really suitable for her. She needs a song at a slower pace so she could add in more expression, because Jackie's great strength is her interpretation. I really think 'Wishing You Were Somehow Here Again' would have been so much better.
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Post by stevemacdonald on Sept 1, 2010 19:57:09 GMT
Jackie's choice of song and questionable performance (especially at the end where it really counts) will hurt her chances to advance, because despite all the hype by the judges, people want competent entertainment over amateurism. Jackie shows brilliant promise, we can all agree, but she is clearly too green for the world stage.
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Post by mihizawi on Sept 1, 2010 21:04:56 GMT
Jackie's choice of song and questionable performance (especially at the end where it really counts) will hurt her chances to advance, because despite all the hype by the judges, people want competent entertainment over amateurism. Jackie shows brilliant promise, we can all agree, but she is clearly too green for the world stage. It may be right that a slower song would make her shine brighter, I'll trust her as she has clearly followed her more than myself, and knows her better. However, I wouldn't call that a "questionable performance", probably she could be better with another song, but I think she was still outstanding, and the only true mistake I can see is at the very end, with that note shivering. And I must say I tend to think that that small error can even make some good: many of those who notice it, could think that's even rather cute that she felt so thriled to loose control. Michal P. S. The crowd clapping and being noisy during the song makes me a little nervous, but, oh, well, I guess that's normal in such contests... However, to my surprise, Faryl could actually keep the crowd amazingly quiet on her Britain's Got Talent audition. |
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Post by Libby on Sept 2, 2010 6:01:51 GMT
No offense, but according to Cat Deely, hostess of So You Think You Can Dance in the U.S. and UK, U.S. audiences can be more enthusiastic than UK ones.  And maybe songs like Ave Maria aren't that exciting, even if they are nice. Well, her errant note at the end could help prove to the skeptics out there that her voice really is real! Either that, or they'll think she was off on her lip-syncing. |
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Post by Libby on Sept 2, 2010 6:05:09 GMT
I like Time to Say Goodbye very much. I don't listen to every CC singer there is, so I've only heard a few versions of the song.
But what you say is the reason I just can't bring myself to listen to every CC artist there is. There are only so many classical songs they can sing. The ones I like I really only want to hear my favorite singers do.
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Post by nicola on Sept 2, 2010 7:03:36 GMT
Cat Deely is right. Our audience is very reserved. Sarah Brightman doesn't like coming here because we are "frosty" at her concerts, lol. We just don't scream or whistle that much (there's always one or two...) I remember going to see Canadian Tenors in London a month or two back (where Hayley was a guest) and the audience were all Canadians. I thought I was among crazy people! They were mad with applause, noise and so on. I'm used to clapping politely in my seat.
Not all crossover artists cover the same rubbish. Just the non-creative ones.
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Post by mihizawi on Sept 2, 2010 9:36:43 GMT
No offense, but according to Cat Deely, hostess of So You Think You Can Dance in the U.S. and UK, U.S. audiences can be more enthusiastic than UK ones. And maybe songs like Ave Maria aren't that exciting, even if they are nice. Well, her errant note at the end could help prove to the skeptics out there that her voice really is real! Either that, or they'll think she was off on her lip-syncing. Well, I wasn't trying to turn this into a comparison, I was just saying that at some moments of Jackie's performance the crowd was so noisy that it actually disturbed the beauty of her performance, and that's a shame, but, as I said, it's pretty much the normal thing on those shows. On Faryl's side, I'll only say that, yes, I am sure it is true that British people are more reserved, but I think on BGT it is rather normal as normal for the crowd to be noisy as on any other of this show: Paul Potts and Susan Boyle got ovations during their audition performances. But on Faryl's audition, the crowd kept quiet till the very end and I don't think it's due to lack of enthusiasm or that the performance was not exciting: when the music stopped she received an enthusiastic standing ovation. Why that difference? Michal |
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Post by nicola on Sept 2, 2010 10:22:04 GMT
I think I missed the point you made entirely, Michal, though you were not directing it at me.
I can see two reasons why it would be different:
1) When people EXPECT a talented singer, they tend to just shut up and listen. Whereas if they don't expect it, they are taken by surprise and react.
2) The difference between a recorded and live audience are paramount. I've been to live shows and there is an audience director who is constantly giving the audience cues on how to react, be louder, yell things, etc. The audience director gives the audience a 30 mins - 2 hours training before the live show begins on how to react to certain signals. They also warm them up to get them excited right before the show begins. And it WORKS. The best thing about going to these live shows is the training! So much fun. The audience director is actually very talented, charming and entertaining. They have to be.
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Post by mihizawi on Sept 2, 2010 10:38:53 GMT
I think I missed the point you made entirely, Michal, though you were not directing it at me. I can see two reasons why it would be different: 1) When people EXPECT a talented singer, they tend to just shut up and listen. Whereas if they don't expect it, they are taken by surprise and react. 2) The difference between a recorded and live audience are paramount. I've been to live shows and there is an audience director who is constantly giving the audience cues on how to react, be louder, yell things, etc. The audience director gives the audience a 30 mins - 2 hours training before the live show begins on how to react to certain signals. They also warm them up to get them excited right before the show begins. And it WORKS. The best thing about going to these live shows is the training! So much fun. The audience director is actually very talented, charming and entertaining. They have to be. Very interesting, Nicola, on the second point, it's not much of a surprise to me, I guessed something like that could exist, but nice to get it confirmed. However, that doesn't really explain the difference between Faryl and Paul or Susan, when talking about their auditions. I don't see why they would expect Faryl was a great singer... Do you mean tat the crowd was told she would be that good? And for the difference between the live vs recorded shows, I don't see why it would make the difference, afterall, it's the same show's auditions, so apparently, the way they are done should be the same. Michal |
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Good performance anyway. 
What should she sing?
And maybe songs like Ave Maria aren't that exciting, even if they are nice.