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Post by Libby on May 2, 2012 2:19:13 GMT
I am very displeased to know that she sang Dark Waltz. The song was used on the show a couple seasons ago, as you may recall, and now people will think it's a Jacke Evancho song. So aggravating!  And also, because that was what I would want HAYLEY to sing if she were on the show! In better news, Vittorio Grigolio performed on the show as well. I think if they keep up with this classical week every season, they just might have to choose Hayley eventually. You would think. But, there are lots of CC singers around these days. I'm sure they'll have Il Divo, Andrea Bocelli, and Sarah Brightman on before they'd have Hayley, since they're more well-known. Oh, and Il Volo. And Andre Rieu is a very likely choice, since they seem to have a violinist on every time. This time it was Joshua Bell. Not that they would choose a violinist over a singer, since they have both. Last year, they had 1 singer and 1 violinist. This year they had 2 singers and a violinist. I'm starting to wonder what they did in the fall season, because I can't find any classical week stuff besides last April and this April. I know DWTS has a fall season, because Brandy & Maks did Dark Waltz in Oct. 2010! |
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Post by Simba on May 2, 2012 10:56:22 GMT
It's bothering how she's repeatedly performing that song now.....And everyone thinks she's better now T_T, though clearly it's not Jackie's song...literally XD
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Post by comet on May 2, 2012 14:33:02 GMT
@ Libby and Simba. It's bothering how she's repeatedly performing that song now.....And everyone thinks she's better now T_T, though clearly it's not Jackie's song...literally XD The good side of this is people will just put Dark Waltz in their internet searches, They will then come across Hayley Westenra as well. |
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Post by Simba on May 2, 2012 16:18:46 GMT
Yeah I guess so XD
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Post by gordie on May 2, 2012 17:29:05 GMT
I'm trying to rationalize the displeasure by some some folks when an artist sings a song that was previously recorded by another artist; perhaps the original artist. Is the displeasure felt for all artists that sing music originally sung by another  ? Is the displeasure felt when any artist sings music originally sung by only Hayley? Is the displeasure felt only when Jackie Evancho sings music sung originally by another artist??? Is the displeasure felt only when Jackie Evancho sings music sung originally only by Haley? Is the displeasure felt only when Jackie Evancho sings only "Dark Waltz" ? Is the displeasure only felt when Jackie Evancho performs ?? If music was only sung by the original artist until their demise then a great many pieces of music would be permanently lost to the world and that truly would be a sad thing. Music is composed, performed, listened to, enjoyed and copied. That's just the way it is, it is a gift that keeps on giving. Get used to it otherwise you will find yourselves consumed in a cloud of displeasure. |
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Post by stevemacdonald on May 2, 2012 17:45:25 GMT
...If music was only sung by the original artist until their demise then a great many pieces of music would be permanently lost to the world and that truly would be a sad thing. Music is composed, performed, listened to, enjoyed and copied. That's just the way it is, it is a gift that keeps on giving. Get used to it otherwise you will find yourselves consumed in a cloud of displeasure. Dark Waltz was done to perfection by Hayley on her album Pure. I can't imagine anyone coming even close. When I first heard Jackie sing it I was impressed that she stayed in tune and delivered the lyrics correctly. Then I was distracted by her inability to sustain her notes in key places — a limitation she will surely outgrow in the next few years — but the audience gave her a rapturous reception nonetheless. She had, in my mind, wowed everyone with a performance that would have gotten her booed offstage if she were an adult. This is the risk child stars must face when capitalizing in their precocity. We all know Jackie will be a heavyweight in the future when her talent is fully developed. By having her sing Hayley's masterpiece (Dark Watlz) before she can do it full justice she's bringing the song down a peg. |
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Post by martindn on May 2, 2012 18:28:11 GMT
Gordie,
To answer your question, I do sometimes object to songs being covered by other singers. But not always, and I don't in this case, despite the fact that if American audiences heard Hayley sing it, they might well think that Jackie got there first.
I don't for example object to Hayley performing Kate Bush's iconic Wuthering Heights. Or Joni Mitchell's Both Sides Now. But I do object to soome other singers performing Hayley's and other artist's songs. Why?
What in the end it comes down to I think is the quality and originality of the performance. If the new performance is better than the original (in my opinion of course), then I think it was worth doing and applaud it. Or if it is of good quality and interprets the song in a new and orginial way, I may well like it.
What I generally don't like is carbon copies (or near carbon copies) that are inferior to the original. For example, as a pop song I hated Wet Wet WEt's version of the Troggs song "Love is all around" even though the WWW version is much better technically. Because the overall effect to my mind is inferior, the song somehow lost its soul. I also hate it when someone records an inferior version of a song and then it gets promoted to the skies and beomes the hit that the original and better version was not. I've seen that happen so many times.
We who automatically criticise covers of well know songs ought to remember that our Hayley has done rather a lot of them - the latest being in Beijing last weekend. She gets away with it because her versions are always every bit as good, and often better than the originals, and she usually brings something new to the interpretation.
By that measure though, I should dislike Jackie's Dark Waltz, since I prefer Hayley's. But I don't, firstly because Jackie is a young singer I admire very much, and secondly her version is different to Hayley's, although the main difference is Jackies rather more operatic sounding voice. But like some others here, I don't like the idea that Jackie's might become the definitive version in some people's eyes. Everybody should listen to Hayley's version, and make their own minds up.
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Post by rjstf on May 2, 2012 18:28:41 GMT
I think the songs Jackie sang for DWTS were compressed to fit a limited timeframe. She tweeted earlier the day of rehearsals that she was having some difficulty. I think this was because she had to adjust the songs. This probably kept her from sustaining notes as long as she did in the Dream With Me in Concert.
As for singing songs originated by others, well classical music is 90+% repeating existing works. Jackie would love to sing original songs, but not many compose songs for someone so young.
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Post by martindn on May 2, 2012 20:00:23 GMT
I think though, rjstf, that there is a difference between "standards" and songs that are associated with a particular singer. In her youth, Hayley performed a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber songs. They might be considered standards, since lots of people do them. They weren't written with any particular singer in mind, and no singer has made them their own.
However, if Jackie were to follow up "Dark Waltz" with say "Never Saw Blue", and "Listen to the Wind", and an album called "Jackie Sings Japanese Songs" I would start to have problems with her. Not just becuase she was leeching off Hayley, but because she was unhealthly following another artist and not developing her own identity.
OKI, you could justifiably say she is a bit young to have developed her own identity, and you would be right. So she should spread herself, try different things, and use that to try to decide on a direction for her career. Hayley always says that the best advice she was ever given was to be herself. Jackie too, should heed that. Otherwise an outstanding talent could be wasted.
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Post by stevemacdonald on May 2, 2012 20:03:15 GMT
I think the songs Jackie sang for DWTS were compressed to fit a limited timeframe. She tweeted earlier the day of rehearsals that she was having some difficulty. I think this was because she had to adjust the songs. This probably kept her from sustaining notes as long as she did in the Dream With Me in Concert. .... I was referring to her breath support being not fully developed, which is self-evident throughout Jackie's performances. In simple term, she runs out of breath and has to phrase her lyrics accordingly. Give her three or four years and this issue will go away. Then she's free to put her stamp on these songs. |
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Post by tireman on May 2, 2012 22:56:20 GMT
I am very displeased to know that she sang Dark Waltz. The song was used on the show a couple seasons ago, as you may recall, and now people will think it's a Jacke Evancho song. So aggravating! And also, because that was what I would want HAYLEY to sing if she were on the show! In better news, Vittorio Grigolio performed on the show as well. I think if they keep up with this classical week every season, they just might have to choose Hayley eventually. You would think. But, there are lots of CC singers around these days. I'm sure they'll have Il Divo, Andrea Bocelli, and Sarah Brightman on before they'd have Hayley, since they're more well-known. Oh, and Il Volo. And Andre Rieu is a very likely choice, since they seem to have a violinist on every time. This time it was Joshua Bell. Not that they would choose a violinist over a singer, since they have both. Last year, they had 1 singer and 1 violinist. This year they had 2 singers and a violinist. I'm starting to wonder what they did in the fall season, because I can't find any classical week stuff besides last April and this April. I know DWTS has a fall season, because Brandy & Maks did Dark Waltz in Oct. 2010! C'mon Libby Hayley does not own Dark Waltz. Why fret about it. Larry |
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Post by Libby on May 3, 2012 6:43:43 GMT
...If music was only sung by the original artist until their demise then a great many pieces of music would be permanently lost to the world and that truly would be a sad thing. Music is composed, performed, listened to, enjoyed and copied. That's just the way it is, it is a gift that keeps on giving. Get used to it otherwise you will find yourselves consumed in a cloud of displeasure. Dark Waltz was done to perfection by Hayley on her album Pure. I can't imagine anyone coming even close. When I first heard Jackie sing it I was impressed that she stayed in tune and delivered the lyrics correctly. Then I was distracted by her inability to sustain her notes in key places — a limitation she will surely outgrow in the next few years — but the audience gave her a rapturous reception nonetheless. She had, in my mind, wowed everyone with a performance that would have gotten her booed offstage if she were an adult. This is the risk child stars must face when capitalizing in their precocity. We all know Jackie will be a heavyweight in the future when her talent is fully developed. By having her sing Hayley's masterpiece (Dark Watlz) before she can do it full justice she's bringing the song down a peg. Steve, mark this day on your calendar... I actually agree with what you just said!! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifI'm not upset whenever Jackie sings. She is talented, and sometimes I do enjoy her voice. Just not everytime. Especially when I've heard it sung much better before, like in Hayley's case. BTW, I did not listen to Jackie's performance of this song on the show. I watched Ave Maria, but I missed her 2nd song. I really have no desire to watch it. I don't care for her version much, as you may have guessed. I guess my issue here is that I got a bit jealous for Hayley's sake (even though I know Hayley wouldn't feel that way, but I can't help it). It's because I had been dreaming of Hayley being on the show, and singing that song, trying to imagine how it would sound now with her "current" voice. And we all know Hayley's is the best version. I mean come on, it's not an opera song. It doesn't sound as smooth and pure with a yawning, operatic voice. I hate that yawning sound. I knew Hayley most likely wouldn't be on this season, but I was still hoping for it to happen someday. I've gotten over my initial displeasure somewhat, because I know that Hayley still has a chance at performing on the show, and there are plenty of other songs that she could sing. So, I guess I over-reacted a little, but I still can't say that I'm happy that Jackie sang it. I just wonder how long it will take for them to decide on Hayley?  |
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Post by dj on May 3, 2012 22:30:50 GMT
re: Dark Waltz
Jackie has brought many fans to Hayley since Jackie mentioned Hayley a couple years back on some of her inspirations. She mentioned the song Dark Waltz by Hayley. Jackie has also opened the eyes for many people in this genre. Jackie can help Hayley here in the USA. People will see Jackie singing Dark Waltz and find Hayley, just as many Jackie fans have found about Hayley in the past. Jackie is a win-win for classical-crossover. Hayley will benefit as well as other artist in this genre. There are many great singers in the genre, Hayley and Jackie are just a small number. I happen to
LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE Yulia. Yulia has very impressive vocals. Jackie can help all cc artist here in the USA.
I happen to think that Hayley's version and Jackie's versions are very different. I love them both for different reasons. Jackie adds a dark quality to 'Dark Waltz' Hayley's version and is a bit lighter and brighter. Although, I don't know if Hayley could repeat the tone quality she had when she sang 'Dark Waltz' on 'Pure'. I happen to think 'Pure' is a great and is Hayley's best album. I also think Jackie's 'Dream With Me' is also a great album, with DWM, perhaps a bit bolder, due to some of the songs like Nessum Dorma & Ombra Mai Fu and that she was 10 when she recorded DWM. And also the range that Jackie has. She is not afraid to sing the low notes or experiment with different styles, etc....
Bottom line -- I love Jackie, Hayley, Yulia and others.....
I wish them all the best and may all be happy.
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Post by rickky on May 4, 2012 2:51:41 GMT
Jackie singing Danny Boy for some reason it wasn't to well liked as it never made it on her CD Lisa even stated she didn't want Jackie singing Danny Boy
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Post by Libby on May 4, 2012 5:56:14 GMT
I'm glad if Jackie can bring Hayley new fans, and I am aware that she has. But you know there will be some who hear Jackie's DW first, and even if they do find Hayley's, they will say Jackie's is better. But, I guess it's better that they even discover Hayley at all, and at least know who she is. This is, after all, Hayley's number one downloaded song on Amazon, and probably Itunes too. So yes, this will help Hayley.. a tiny bit. Umm, yeah, I certainly noticed Jackie and Hayley sing it differently. And I would really love to hear how Hayley would sing it now. She most likely would change some of the notes to suit her comfortable range, like she does in Pokarekare Ana. That's why I'm dying to hear it. Sure, it might be strange if she sings it differently, but I still am curious to know how she would handle it now. And really, I'm sure she could still hit those high notes, albeit with more effort, I think. Personally, I don't find the lyrics of the song dark at all. It says "Dance me into the night, turning me into the light". What's dark about that? And where it says "Let the dark waltz begin", to me it just has to do with dancing in the "night", but she's still turned into the light, so when you think about it, it's not really a "dark" song at all, in the usual sense. So, yeah, lighter is way better, and much prettier. Wow, reading the lyrics I just now made me again realize what a beautiful, elegant song it is. I would guess they didn't want her to sing Danny Boy because it's way over-sung (well, so are Ave Maria and Pie Jesu), and maybe they don't want her to seem like a "Celtic" singer, even though the song isn't Celtic at all. I'm certainly not going to suffer from the lack of a version by Jackie. Hayley's is the only version for me. I think the only time I didn't like a version of a song by Hayley best was Walking in the Air. I like Chloe Agnew's better. Nowadays, if Hayley sang it, I might feel differently, but at that time, Hayley's voice didn't cut it for me the way Chloe's did. I know, shocking, right? i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif But that's a very rare case. |
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