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Post by sundae on Apr 28, 2020 19:40:18 GMT
Surely something’s going on with the lack of Chris references or pics. I imagine any production action on the possible album is halted due to Covid19. However you’d think she’d be with Chris during this time. Maybe she is but it sure doesn’t appear so. She looks very thin, very. Not healthy. I barely post on here but had to voice my thoughts today. Its worrisome.
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Post by Libby on Apr 28, 2020 23:20:30 GMT
Surely something’s going on with the lack of Chris references or pics. I imagine any production action on the possible album is halted due to Covid19. However you’d think she’d be with Chris during this time. Maybe she is but it sure doesn’t appear so. She looks very thin, very. Not healthy. I barely post on here but had to voice my thoughts today. Its worrisome. This story was posted by Chris on her birthday, before Hayley posted it on her own page later on; read what it says: So, clearly they're still together. She's been prone to eating issues in the past, and I fear it's never really left her. I can't remember (well, it's been 9+ years) if she said whether she'd gone into treatment for it or not, or tried to manage it on her own. Well, that article is easily found in a google search on her (since there's barely been anything of interest SINCE then!), so I suppose I'll take another look at it. In the last few years, probably following the break up, she also seemed to have developed an interest for moon energy and strange ritualistic-type things (going by some of the pages she follows), and to me that is a sign of trying to cope with something. Even after getting married? I'm still holding out hope she hasn't picked up smoking, but with nearly ever person in her environment smoking, it's a possibility, and, at the very least, means she's exposed to second hand smoke - or worse - constantly.
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Post by sundae on Apr 29, 2020 2:09:17 GMT
Thanks, Libby, for the reminder about her birthday post from Chris. I’ve sort of wondered if the reason we don’t see Chris is because he’s taking at least some of those pics of her, but still. . . Anyway I haven’t seen Chris’s page lately. BTW, I must have read the same Hayley article you refer to. It was a few years ago I stumbled on that. That has been a factor also in my concerns. I guess time will tell eventually. This virus situation has surely had an effect on any finalizing or releasing of her possible album. So, multiple factors at play here, maybe.
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Post by Libby on Apr 30, 2020 1:48:31 GMT
Time will tell... Unfortunately, with Hayley, time doesn't usually ever tell us much of anything. Only with a fair amount of snooping around her friends have we found anything remotely significant (her wedding, notably).
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Post by Joe on May 2, 2020 4:16:59 GMT
A new photo of Hayley, courtesy of her friend Rodney Oliver Banks!
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Post by Libby on May 2, 2020 18:23:51 GMT
Thanks Joe! I’m not following him, so it’s hit or miss for me to see his stories! Lol
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Post by Libby on May 6, 2020 2:38:49 GMT
Another photo of Hayley by Rodney Oliver Banks. Both are self-isolating along with Stan Parish and musician Brett Benowitz, among others. The second pic below shows Hayley, then Rodney, Brett, and Stan. At last, a very beautiful photo of Hayley. Looking somewhat reminiscently like her early career days! ...Including her waist line... In your face, Crissy! 😂 Although I have to agree with sundae regarding his concerns. Well, what can we do about it? 😕 I’m holding out a little hope that she’ll repost it on her own page.
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Post by crissyt on May 6, 2020 10:49:07 GMT
Libby, with grace and dignity, I concede the point! It is, none the less, disappointing to have to do so. To paraphrase Hannibal Lecter, the world would be a better place with Hayley's children in it. I am, though, amused by the recent discussion on "skinnyness". I seem to recall a forthright hymn of protest when I made a comment of a similar nature in mid-June last year. This was a comment on the picture of Hayley in white in front of a mirror, square basin, and green soap bottle. More seriously, these latest pictures add further weight to my growing concern that someone has gone missing from the "Quarantine Crew" and that the recent and relatively sudden ubiquitousness of a certain Mr. Banks is perhaps more than just a coincidence.
Life experience over many decades has caused me to realise that when the apparent facts don't fit the apparent scenario, either some of the apparent facts are wrong, there are facts which are missing, the apparent scenario is wrong, or some combination of these three. I've seen this both in the workplace and socially. At the moment, I'm feeling this in spades. More on this another time when I've marshalled my thoughts further and have some time.
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Post by Libby on May 6, 2020 21:46:03 GMT
Thank goodness! Disappointing? I guess if you don't want an album or a tour, I guess it might be. I'm disappointed about this whole coronavirus holding things up even worse than they already were. I'm sure Hayley was disappointed about having the prospect of children being removed from her the first go'round. She's now had to start over with everything. Give her a break. Hannibal Lecter, really?? Unfortunately, as far as Hayley's health is concerned, this time things just seem a little worse. Back then, she actually seemed to think her album would be coming soon, and she was about to be engaged. And you've just expressed your own concerns on Hayley's situation as a whole, so I quite think you agree. Yes, she was thin back then; I think this is something she's continued to struggle with, even if she's never said so. I'm quite slender myself, and have gotten comments about it, and it's annoying. So yeah, I'm sure I'm the one involved in the "hymn of protest" you're referring to. The problem is, Crissy, that I worked with the public for 12 years, and in my experience, people are always too quick to comment to your face about how skinny, fat, young-looking, pregnant or whatever they think you are, and the people on the other end of that hate it to bits. Imagine Hayley, at her very slender weight, seeing that someone thinks she's pregnant. Just suppose (and she would never read the forum thoroughly enough to know that this "theory" was all because of a ridiculous caption about Chris' long legs). Can you imagine what that could do to someone with her past bout with an eating disorder (and quite possibly returned bout)? Take a look at what happened to Karen Carpenter, if you please? So, sue me for being a little sensitive on that side of the argument. And as much as I like you, you seem a lot like one of those people I've dealt with in the public. Sorry. Yes, I'm now guilty of commenting on her weight. But I am not one of those people, however. Because unfortunately this time, I think there might actually be a possiblity for concern. Sure, her long hair, and the way it's framing her face, could be enhancing the look. But... you can see the veins in her arm. I've seen arm veins on all manner of people before, but I've never seen Hayley's arm veins. You can't see mine. Even when it's hot. But nowadays, it’s more than just about being skinny. I think some of us are concerned about her well-being in general these days. It’s gotten so worrisome to me that the other day I actually dreamed that there was a video showing her picking up a cigar, or perhaps something worse, and smoking it, and it was very upsetting to see. With all the smokers she’s around constantly now, including her husband, unfortunately it's not unreasonable to worry that something like that might actually happen. In my dream, I said, "I'm done", and I meant it, but I wanted to cry when I said it. And I think that would do it for me. I would literally be done. She will have become the Charlotte Church that turned me to Hayley in the first place!! Here's the new photo posted by Rodney: (I'll post Hayleyforum's twitter post below). However, there is nothing concerning, or sudden, about Rodney and friends being there. Not any more so than the rise of the coronavirus. Didn’t you see Stan’s post (which Joe posted here) during my hiatus about the party they had together back in March? The post was not in March, but the party was, and he said they are all quarantined together now because of that. Every one of those people are normally from New York or New Jersey. Even Chris is from there. In fact, those people are all his friends, or friends of his friends, maybe. Also, did you not see Chris post about HIS WIFE’S BIRTHDAY on April 10? Well I know you saw the photo, but I guess your focus was about whatever you imagined was underneath her jacket. 🙄😂 So whatever conclusion you’re coming to now is likely just as inaccurate as your former theory. However, I'm not going to pretend I don't ever consider that it might happen eventually. But believe me, while I’m not particularly keen on the company she now keeps these days (only because of their poor health habits, nothing personal), I really don’t want to see another break up. If it was bad the first time, it would be worse the next. Clearly she can't take any more troubles. In fact I kind of wish everything had stayed the way it was before 2015. Even after that break up, she still kept up her classy looks. I guess that’s the difference between London and LA. 🤔 Having a music career and not. Face it, she barely does now.
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Post by Libby on May 7, 2020 0:56:34 GMT
As promised:
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Post by martindn on May 7, 2020 10:23:38 GMT
Thank goodness! The problem is, Crissy, that I worked with the public for 12 years, and in my experience, people are always too quick to comment to your face about how skinny, fat, young-looking, pregnant or whatever they think you are, and the people on the other end of that hate it to bits. Imagine Hayley, at her very slender weight, seeing that someone thinks she's pregnant. Just suppose (and she would never read the forum thoroughly enough to know that this "theory" was all because of a ridiculous caption about Chris' long legs). Can you imagine what that could do to someone with her past bout with an eating disorder (and quite possibly returned bout)? Take a look at what happened to Karen Carpenter, if you please? So, sue me for being a little sensitive on that side of the argument. And as much as I like you, you seem a lot like one of those people I've dealt with in the public. Sorry. Yes, I'm now guilty of commenting on her weight. But I am not one of those people, however. Because unfortunately this time, I think there might actually be a possiblity for concern. Sure, her long hair, and the way it's framing her face, could be enhancing the look. But... you can see the veins in her arm. I've seen arm veins on all manner of people before, but I've never seen Hayley's arm veins. You can't see mine. Even when it's hot. But nowadays, it’s more than just about being skinny. I think some of us are concerned about her well-being in general these days. Yes, I too have concerns about commenting on Hayley's weight and skinniness. I once knew someone who suffered from anorexia, and it is no joke. Their thinness is an obsession, sometimes to the point of making themselves sick after eating what they consider too much (ie more than a sparrow would eat). Making comments about it that they could read risks making things worse, which is why in my opinion we should avoid it. I'm not saying that Hayley is anorexic by the way, but we don't know that she isn't either. Taking care of her health is up to Hayley and those around her. She ought to know what she is doing, her mum is a nutritionist after all.
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Post by comet on May 7, 2020 18:49:05 GMT
Have a look at the photographs in the thread, Hayley always had very slender limbs.
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Post by sundae on May 8, 2020 2:59:30 GMT
I see a big difference in her size/substance from those 2007 photos compared to now. She was slim but with a healthy substance. Her face was fuller too. And she was SMILING. Lately, not much expression in most photos. I guess that goes along with the waif look. BTW, I’d like to see a current pic of her WITH Chris. Why wouldn’t he be quarantining with her in the same group? Or is there evidence I’ve missed that he is? (The wispy photo of her on the rock, I think it was, must have been taken when she was in her really early teens. She looks very childlike in that one)
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Post by Libby on May 8, 2020 4:31:05 GMT
I see a big difference in her size/substance from those 2007 photos compared to now. She was slim but with a healthy substance. Her face was fuller too. And she was SMILING. Lately, not much expression in most photos. I guess that goes along with the waif look. BTW, I’d like to see a current pic of her WITH Chris. Why wouldn’t he be quarantining with her in the same group? Or is there evidence I’ve missed that he is? (The wispy photo of her on the rock, I think it was, must have been taken when she was in her really early teens. She looks very childlike in that one) Regarding the 2007 photos: Yes, exactly. I was just going to reply to his post with: Comet, if you're trying to prove my point that she's about as thin as we've ever seen her, then I think it's safe to say it's done the job. But clearly that wasn't your intent, and yet it's convinced both sundae and me that our concerns are likely not unfounded. I wish I could say otherwise, believe me! And this, knowing that she apparently began her "downward spiral" in 2006. However, I believe this concert was after her tour with Celtic Woman, which might have encouraged her to take in a little more sustenance than it appears she is now, because she had a show to keep up with, and other people to keep her company, and perhaps keep her sane. Ah yes, I found it: " For a short time things changed for the better when Hayley joined Irish all-girl ensemble Celtic Woman on a two-month tour. Her weight gradually crept up and her diet naturally changed. ‘Until that tour, I hadn’t spent time with girls my own age. I started sharing meals with the Celtic Woman girls. After a show, we’d scoff chocolates and gossip on the tour bus.’" So that answers that question. And I was right about another thing: I just read one of the articles again, and she never did seek medical help back in 2008-09 (see below). Martin, clearly her mother's knowledge was not enough to prevent it from happening the first time. She didn't have her mother around to watch over her. She doesn't now, either (though at 33, one usually wouldn't). It's beginning to appear that the lessons from the first time were not enough to stop it from happening again. I learned in health classes in school that people who have ever been destructive to themselves, especially serious things like eating disorders or drugs, have a propensity to go back to those destructive habits in the future. The article (below) reveals some very concerning red flags that I didn't recognize before (wanting to believe that everything was all right, of course). It says that she was reluctant to put a label on her "breakdown". Also, that ‘I don’t want to call it an eating disorder because many girls go through this'. That alone is a red flag. Yes, it's very common for girls to be uneasy about their bodies, or attempt diets. But I'm afraid this was way more serious than what "many girls" go through. She never fully admitted that what she experienced was an eating disorder, when clearly it was. It says she never received treatment. I would assume that also means that she never sought any sort of psychological help for it, either. Because it is a psychological disorder that usually warrants therapy. I now think it was a HUGE mistake for her not to seek help. Sure, her family gave her the support she needed, and she realized by herself that she wanted to go back to her singing. But, according to this article, she didn't receive any sort of professional guidance for this serious problem in her life. She also says she was never in " dire need for help". I guess she means she didn't need to be admitted to the emergency room, but according to a "professor of nutrition" that they consulted, she had been below the threshold where body organs begin to cease. Umm.... I would say that's getting pretty close to dire. Having read this, I would say neither she nor her mother fully understood the seriousness of this problem, otherwise they would have wanted her to be evaluated. The last few sentences of the article kind of prove my point that she needed help: "She beams goodbye, then picks up her plate again. Her scrambled eggs are cold and untouched. When she turns, I spot that an enormous crocodile clip is holding her tiny frame into the gaping Ted Baker-designed prom dress."She may have recognized that what she had been doing was not healthy, but she did not receive professional guidance that would have helped her truly put a stop to these destructive behaviors. She may not have been clincially depressed, but depressed she was, nonetheless. Yes, professional help was warranted. Well, as she mentions in the article, she had her boyfriend to support her. Well, we all know how that ended. I would say she became depressed afterwards, and might not ever have fully regained herself afterwards. The spiritual energy mumbo-jumbo she's been interested in just about ever since kind of pointed to that, IMO. Here's the article: www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2025660/How-unflattering-picture-sent-Hayley-Westenra-mission-self-destruct.htmlIt has occurred to me that this quarantine may have contributed to the current situation. While obviously everyone at her place is able to go out often enough to obtain adequate food (Stan's photos' prove that he, at least, is eating heartily), maybe they are rationing a bit to avoid going out as much. That would give a person an easy way to hide from others that they are doing something harmful to themselves. However, none of the others are thin. Oh, Sundae and Crissy, regarding Chris... he took the photo of his wife on her birthday. She's giving a coy expression. He was also in the lemon videos at the end of March. Just because he didn't participate in the photo shoot, and hasn't posted much since, or that she deleted 2 whole photos of him (there's still one left, plus the featured story videos), doesn't mean he's not there. And why, or how, would he leave, during the quarantine? People are staying home, not relocating to new apartments, are they? I wouldn't think anyone would do that with all this going on. Also, seems pretty sudden to me. I think there's definitely reason for concern in general, but I do not think it's because Chris is out of the picture. I think he's still around somewhere.
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