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Post by postscript on Mar 18, 2009 9:32:58 GMT
Hi Dave and everyone I have voted for the second choice "Personally I approve". Whilst I am 100% behind Hayley on this, I don't consider myself qualified to comment on the effect it will have on her career. At the end of the day, my main concern is that we all remain friends.  Best wishes Grant Well done, Grant. All family's have tiff's and so i guess we are a sort of family on this site. Peter S. |
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Post by grant on Mar 18, 2009 9:40:13 GMT
so i guess we are a sort of family on this site. Peter S. I've always felt that to be true Peter  Best wishes Grant |
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Post by drew on Mar 18, 2009 10:39:09 GMT
My reply received from Debbie Wiseman:
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Post by nicola on Mar 18, 2009 10:44:01 GMT
Precisely as I thought. The motif has a beautiful melody, but as I've said before, she seemed to have just recorded two or three melodies that are then used again and again, and they range from 10-20 seconds long. Perhaps I need to listen to it a bit more to be a bit more accurate.
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Post by roger on Mar 18, 2009 10:56:52 GMT
Thank you Drew. The fact that Hayley's voice is haunting and beautiful was never in doubt. Whether or not it is anything for her fans to worry about is up to her fans to decide.
Roger
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Post by Dean McCarten on Mar 18, 2009 11:56:57 GMT
so i guess we are a sort of family on this site. Peter S. I've always felt that to be true Peter Best wishes Grant Well said Grant, I couldn't agree more! Dean |
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Post by Dave on Mar 18, 2009 15:16:44 GMT
REMINDERHello everyone, In view of the wide range of views expressed in this thread, we have decided to have a poll about it.
Members who are logged in can vote in the following thread:
Poll: Lesbian Vampire Killers (The Poll options are above the message)
The more members who are willing to vote for the answer closest to their personal viewpoint, the more representative the poll will be. Please continue to post any comments in this thread, you cannot post messages in the Poll thread.
Thanks!Dave
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Post by anne on Mar 18, 2009 17:55:28 GMT
Hello there
I am posting under my daughter's membership on this forum. She has been showing me the posts on this thread as we are very involved in what she is doing on the internet (she has just turned 13. ) I thought I would share with you how I feel as a parent of a Hayley Westenra fan.
I can say without doubt that my daughter would not be seeing this film. The name alone would tell me it is not appropriate for her age. She and her friends of course would disagree, and tell me it is a comedy and that there is nothing in it they don't already know...believe me I have heard all the reasons that she should be allowed to see EVERYTHING!!!! But I do still limit what she sees!
The soundtrack on the other hand is a different thing. I have heard the clips, and as she is very involved with music (in choirs and bands and vocal and instrumental lessons) I really do think this is a CD she could add to her collection, should she want to. As it is a vocalise and orchestral recording, even though it is from a movie I object to for my daughter, I don't think she would relate the soundtrack to a film that I feel is not appropriate.
I don't think this is going to hurt Ms Westenra's career...I sincerely hope it would not....
Thanks for listening to my view
Annie's Mom
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Post by milewalker on Mar 18, 2009 18:21:36 GMT
Hi Dave
Where was the response which suggests that the issue probably is totally meaningless either way in about 99 percent of cases......I opted for the middle option.
Having said this, I could have picked one of the first two. I think it will be more likely to help than hurt. The soundtrack will introduce new (and much younger) fans to Hayley but I doubt that the impact will be very large. The risk would be the loss of fans - and I strongly suspect that if the ties that bind are that weak in individual cases that something was going to come along sooner or later which was going to break them anyway.
One of the primary motifs I harped on for about a year after joining this forum was simply noting the tendancy here (and I am not judging - this is merely human nature) to project our own hopes, fears, political positions?, religion, and so forth upon Hayley. The logic of this seems to be something like "I have certain positions about things in life. I am obviously a sensible person. Hayley seems to be a sensible person. Therefore her positions about life must tend to be similar to mine".
To some extent there is truth to this of course, in broad brushstrokes. Hayley is unlikely to become a serial killer, a bank robber, a terrorist, for example, all of which are values presumably shared by most of us - and is also probably quite sensible in other simpler matters as well. But it does pay to keep in mind that speaking from my own universe, she is a generation and a half younger, and also grew up a half world away. I strongly suspect that it is precisely attitudes towards social issues which are the most subject to variance because of this.
I would be utterly amazed if similar issues dontt arise from time to time - nothing on Earth ever stays the same for too long.
Jon
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Post by postscript on Mar 18, 2009 18:22:56 GMT
Hi Anne's Mum.
I think you have made a superb contribution in the sound sense you have given us and I personally feel your views are very valid and much appreciated.
Apart from the parental aspect on which I, as a bachelor, am unable to comment, other than to welcome the informed and involved parent you have shown us, your film DVD/music CD differentiation echoes an earlier post of mine which you probably have not yet had the chance to discover in this thread.
By implication you seem to feel our site is appropriate for your daughter and we do try to bear the very young age of some our members in mind at all times. So, through this reply to you, can I say to Anne, welcome and hopefully you will soon feel safe and at home here and feel confident to share your thoughts on music and your experiences with music.
Several members here are musicians (in which phrase I include the solo voice) or have them in their families, so music coverage is from simple 'I enjoy listening' to 'I enjoy playing and do so'.
Best wishes
Peter Such
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Post by larryhauck on Mar 18, 2009 19:04:58 GMT
My opinion of Hayley's role in the Vampire is that all of the hand wringing is much ado about nothing. I doubt seriously if any fan other than we HWI people who keep Hayley's career under a microscope will even be aware of Hayley's participation in the film score.
It's not like Celine Dion's role in Titanic.
So I say quit worrying and give Hayley the credit she is due for having the good sense and perception to do the right thing. I've talked with Hayley many times and read her book. She is not the type of person that would jeopardize her career frivolously.
Larry
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Post by Paddy on Mar 18, 2009 19:51:34 GMT
My opinion of Hayley's role in the Vampire is that all of the hand wringing is much ado about nothing.
It's not like Celine Dion's role in Titanic.
So I say quit worrying and give Hayley the credit she is due for having the good sense and perception to do the right thing. I've talked with Hayley many times and read her book. She is not the type of person that would jeopardize her career frivolously.  |
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Post by roger on Mar 18, 2009 20:08:08 GMT
I doubt seriously if any fan other than we HWI people who keep Hayley's career under a microscope will even be aware of Hayley's participation in the film score. I'd like to think that was true, Larry but a lot of people have been saying that it will be good for her career because it will introduce her to a whole new audience, and they have voted accordingly. One or other of those cannot be true.  If what you say is true, then she has upset a lot of people for nothing. Roger |
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Post by martindn on Mar 18, 2009 22:07:27 GMT
Well, Roger, I am upset only in the entirely selfish way that means that Hayley has done something in a context that means I would not enjoy it. She is clearly free to do whatever she decides, and it would be wrong of us to suggest otherwise. But perhaps I am like Annie whose mum posted above, in that the nature of this film prevents me from enjoying some of the work of my favourite singer. That is regrettable, but it is my problem, not Hayley's.
Martin
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Post by roger on Mar 18, 2009 22:31:41 GMT
Well, Martin, I think you can consider yourself extremely fortunate. If that's all I stood to lose I wouldn't have bothered loggin in to post it.
Running HWI isn't exactly a stroll in the park, you know.
And yet again I have to point out that, contrary to what you keep implying, nobody ever suggested she can't do what she likes. But the fans will react in whatever way they wish regardless of what you think they should do.
Roger
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