Lesbian Vampire Killers

[I-H-F]

Mar 17, 2009 15:43:01 GMT nicola said:

Hayley is used in the same sense that Sissel was used for the Titantic soundtrack. i.e. vocalise. I can understand why Hayley was used. She sounds so beautifully haunting. There isn't much variation of Hayley's vocalise though. Same melody throughout pretty much, I think Hayley's vocals are being used as a motif. She does feature on many songs, but I don't think it's essential buying for Hayley fans.

I didn't know Sissel featured on the Titanic soundtrack. Some people might not realise that Hayley featured on this one, considering she doesn't appear on many songs.

According to Nicola, its not essential buying for Hayley fans. It makes you wonder whether there was really any need for all the fuss

[nicola]

Yeah, Sissel provides of the 'ooooohs' throughout the film. Not many people know that, but it's definitely her. James Cameron originally wanted Enya to compose and feature in the score, but she refused. Probably because she knew what a nut job Cameron is. Not wanting to miss out on the celtic flavor, he hired James Horner after hearing his score for Brave Heart, despite both of them swearing that they would never work together again - they hate each other. Horner decided on Sissel to fill out what Enya would have done. Notice how the 'ooohs' have layers like Enya does to her vocals? There's some trivia for you. If you have the soundtrack (who doesn't?) look up the credits.

Back on subject then... oh, er, I have nothing more to say on it, I guess. Except that Hayley and Sissel sound more similar now than ever. I have always felt that they have a very similar tone to their voices.

[roger]

Mar 17, 2009 19:03:05 GMT I-H-F said:

Mar 17, 2009 14:16:48 GMT martindn said:

4. We have no business whatsoever demanding any sort of statement from Hayley.

No, we don't. You're right, Martin.

Of course we don't and nobody has. It has been suggested that a statement might prove helpful but it has not been demanded. That accusation has already been denied on numerous occasions.

This thread is difficult enough. Can we please not make it worse by distorting what has been said.

Roger

[Dave]

Hello everyone,

In view of the wide range of views expressed in this thread, we have decided to have a poll about it.

Members who are logged in can vote in the following thread:

Poll: Lesbian Vampire Killers

The more members who are willing to vote for the answer closest to their personal viewpoint, the more representative the poll will be. Please continue to post any comments in this thread, you cannot post messages in the Poll thread.

Thanks!

Dave

[Joe]

In the poll, I voted for "reserve judgement".

Hayley's involvement in the film is small, so she may get through this with no damage. Then again, this is fuel for the tabloids.

I will wait and see what both the cinema-going public and the print media have to say. Saturday may or may not be a good day.

[Paddy]

Mar 17, 2009 10:53:08 GMT postscript said:

I am rather inclined to say that this thread has said more about all of us than that it has actually said anything factual about Hayley and the event!

Mar 17, 2009 11:10:19 GMT @roger said:

Basically we have two groups of people here. One group is shocked and dismayed about Hayley's involvement. The other group are equally shocked and dismayed at the first group's reaction. Both are entirely understandable and it justifies the on-going discussion. But let's keep it that way - discussion; not argument.

Most certainly I (and, hopefully, others) belong to neither group.


Making no claims myself to any high moral ground, I’m neither shocked nor dismayed about Hayley’s involvement in this clearly mediocre film.

Nor am I shocked nor dismayed at the first group’s reaction, as I’ve never been inclined to place Hayley on a pedestal.


No problem though in respecting the genuine concerns of those whose views I do not share

and trusting Hayley's judgement.


Paddy

[gra7890]

Mar 15, 2009 23:08:33 GMT gra7890 said:

Members seem to be making statements without knowing many facts.
It would seem sensible not to have any more speculation until we have some reliable information.
I am surprised at what some have said; I am going to reserve judgment

As we do not know anything new since the above post I have voted for reserve judgment.

Graham

[Paddy]

I wished to vote:

'Poll Inappropriate' or 'Don't Judge At All'

but I was unable to do so.


Paddy

[Dave]

Mar 17, 2009 23:52:17 GMT Paddy said:

I wished to vote:

'Poll Inappropriate' or 'Don't Judge At All'

but I was unable to do so.

Paddy

Hi Paddy,

But if you were to pick the closest option, wouldn't that be "none of my business" i.e. the middle option?

And yes of course, there is school of thought that we shouldn't have a poll (or even this thread!) at all. It was not an easy decision to make.

Cheers, Dave

[grant]

Hi Dave and everyone

I have voted for the second choice "Personally I approve". Whilst I am 100% behind Hayley on this, I don't consider myself qualified to comment on the effect it will have on her career.

At the end of the day, my main concern is that we all remain friends.

Best wishes
Grant

[Paddy]

Mar 18, 2009 0:29:55 GMT Dave said:

Mar 17, 2009 23:52:17 GMT Paddy said:

I wished to vote:

'Poll Inappropriate' or 'Don't Judge At All'

but I was unable to do so.

Paddy

Hi Paddy,

But if you were to pick the closest option, wouldn't that be "none of my business" i.e. the middle option?

And yes of course, there is school of thought that we shouldn't have a poll (or even this thread!) at all. It was not an easy decision to make.

Cheers, Dave

Not so, Dave for three reasons:

- 'None of my business' I totally disagree with;

- 'None of my business' also includes 'Don't know' which is totally untrue;

- 'None of my business' includes 'Reserve judgement', which conflicts with my view 'Don't judge at all'.


The top two might reflect my views somewhat better

but they include/imply the reason 'Good career move'

- which preempts approval for other reasons.


So, 'Poll Inappropriate',

because a poll seems likely to further increase divisions among members

and for the reasons I outlined in a previous post:

Mar 16, 2009 23:42:01 GMT Paddy said:

Let there be no rush to judgement on Hayley nor on her decision.

Personally (and for many reasons), I’m not inclined to pass judgement at all in that regard.

Instead, I put my faith in the personal integrity she seems usually to demonstrate

and trust that, this time too, the decision was her own and was made conscientiously.

Give Hayley space, I say.

She's not 'a songbird in a cage'?

By the way, I'm being totally serious, in case it might seem otherwise.

Regards,


Paddy

[Dave]

Mar 18, 2009 1:29:33 GMT Paddy said:

The top two might reflect my views somewhat better

but they include/imply the reason 'Good career move'

- which preempts approval for other reasons.

Hi Paddy, options 2 and 4 imply nothing except approval or disapproval and they don't imply anything included in the other answers, they mean what they say. I have now clarified this in the notes to the poll so thanks.

The poll is there for any members who wish to use it, including those who wish to indicate their approval or disapproval of Hayley's actions but who do not wish to get involved in the debate started by other members. They too are entitled to have their views heard, this is one way for them to express them.

Dave

[nicola]

All though I verge on the side of not really caring whether she brought this out or not, I voted for my approval, simply because I think it is entirely up to her as to what she does, and I approve of any decisions that she makes as an artist.

I was even inclined to say strongly approve, because working in Hollywood can only bring good things, but Debbie Wiseman is not really a big name, and this film will flop, so I don't think it was a particularly 'good career move'.

As if the tabloids would write up on Hayley's involvement on a soundtrack! No offense, but they probably have more exicting things to write/lie about!

[Richard]

I don't really want to enter this debate, but I voted for "none of my business".

I'm in a good mood this morning because I saved myself £14 in HMV yesterday. I didn't buy this album.

Richard

[postscript]

Hi Dave and everyone.

1. In case anyone gets caught out as I did, I nearly emailed Dave to say he'd wrongly linked but in fact the poll is at the top of the page when you follow his links, so you may have to scroll to it. That may be because the link was still in the 'latest 50' which is how I picked up on it.

2. Having heard the clip, while I shan't bother to buy the CD as Hayley seems too minimalist in it (from reports posted), the music in principle sounds fine, so why the fuss? She's there for the music, not the acting and it is perfectly possible to buy the CD and not a DVD.

3. Without the CD (if it says it there and Amazon's download list doesn't) you don't know Hayley is involved and if it means she's earned some money without any publicity then no promotional negativity has been achieved and her bank balance is a little better off.

4. Certainly it is not my type of film and increasingly I am reactive against bad language anyway, which is actually inspiring my own creativity to try and show you don't need it, for which reason I probably won't find a publisher, so will be unable to prove my point!

Peter S.