Lesbian Vampire Killers

[pjrcorreia]

Hi everyone,

This is just my opinion, I don't want to offend anyone.

I voted "Personally I approve" in this particular case, I see Hayley's participation on it as only work.

I personally doubt that many people who gonna see this movie will notice Hayley's part in the soundtrack.

I think the title is stupid, but as this is intended to be a comedie (funny or not) it doesn't shock me that much.

I agree that some of the track titles are of bad taste, but nothing that we aren't used to see/hear in any almost common movie, not that I approve it!

It comes to my mind Robbie Williams's song "Come Undone" where he sings some dirty words (I never liked him or any of his songs)...

...or have you heard of a band called "THE KILLERS" they have a song named "Human" that is playing everyday on local radios, and they are coming here to some concerts. I ask myself how is possible to give this name to a band!? The radios announce "The Killers", the fans love "The Killers", let's go see "The Killers"!... Why not "The Rapists" or "The Pedophiles"!!! I beg your pardon for these words but I personally consider this much worst! A bad example to the younger generations!

Many of you know Hayley a lot better that I do (I hope one day at least to see her in one concert), but please don't give up on her just because of this!

Best wishes,
Paulo Correia

[anne]

Hello again....

If I could make something clear here...to martindn....the nature of the film in no way prevents my daughter from enjoying the music of a singer that she admires a great deal. I said that she would not be seeing the movie, but if she wishes to purchase the soundtrack I would find that perfectly acceptable. I do not find a vocalise/orchestral recording objectionable regardless of the movie it was made to accompany.

And to Mr Peter Such..thankyou for your reply. Annie has been on this site for a while now, though does not post on it. She has followed Hayley's music for some time now, even though she is still young. She has been a classical/crossover fan from a very early age and discovered Hayley at the age of 7 or 8! I have always supported her in her admiration for Hayley, and other vocalists of this genre.

Thanks once again for allowing me to "guest" on your site!
Annie's Mom

[martindn]

Hi Roger,

I'm sure you are right about the problems you face, most of which I'm sure the likes of me know nothing about (although I have seen enough to gain some inkling). And when your own feelings get involved, that must make it even harder.

My point is that my own likes and dislikes are subjective. I generally dislike films that have sex, horror or violence and this one seems to have all three, plus gratuitous bad language.

We are all appreciative of what you and the other mods do, and understand it is hard and you must take some flak sometimes. I for one are very glad that you do it, and hope you will continue to work to make this forum a pleasant place to be. So if you are having a hard time now in ways that I know nothing about, please understand that I, and I'm sure most other members would wish to support you and help if we can.

But I have to say that compared to the distasteful things that some other artists I respect (for their artistic ability) do, this is very small beer indeed. Hayley does not promote illegal drugs, does not roll in the gutter blind drunk, does not use bad language in public etc. She is still the genuinely lovely girl that she always was, and you who know her better than I do must know that. She proved it only the other day by her taking time to tell us about her Japanese tour.
I think that is the point I was trying to make.

I would far rather forget that this thing ever existed.


Martin

[nicola]

Roger, I am sorry this is causing you stress, but try not to project your own feelings on to the visitors of the site. From what I can gather from the poll less than a quarter of HWI members disapprove of this, and quite frankly, that's their problem, and not the websites. Hayley has contributed to this album. Report that, and forget about reporting the film. As to being concerned about minors visiting the site, I doubt they will drop down dead in shock if they see the word 'lesbian', but even so, it's the responsibility of the parents as to what their children are exposed to (like Anne's mum up there), not yours.

This is one of those rare times where the generation gap between members, and Hayley and the majority of her fanbase (middle aged men) becomes more prominent. Brought up in the UK, I imagine that if you were 30 years younger, you wouldn't have battered an eye lid at this, and I understand the stress it must cause to try to cater to all upbringings, conservative and liberal, young and old, but this is not stress that you need. Just report the facts, and leave the rest of it be.

For probably the first time ever (as I am always into free speech) I think discussion of this contribution should be closed, because its this topic that is bringing the nature of the film to the forefront, whereas if you just gave it a brief mention on the site, that would be that.

That would be my advice, not that you asked for it. But it's your website, you do what you feel is right. You are such a nice man, Roger, I hate seeing you like this (or reading you like this). I hope you can resolve this matter within yourself soon. <3

[milewalker]

Mar 18, 2009 20:08:08 GMT @roger said:

I'd like to think that was true, Larry but a lot of people have been saying that it will be good for her career because it will introduce her to a whole new audience, and they have voted accordingly. One or other of those cannot be true.

If what you say is true, then she has upset a lot of people for nothing.

Roger

How many people constitutes "a lot" Roger? As I stated above, I dont think this is going to have much of an overall effect of any kind - but it does seem likely to bring in more people than it costs her, albeit at a very low level.

Even if its a wash, it was a gig - she got paid. Opinions may differ as to whether she gained enough - but I dont think you can accurately say its "nothing"

While I dont think that this soundtrack is going to have much of an effect either way - I do wholeheartedly support the logic behind it - if indeed this is why it was done Didnt Hayley mention several times that this was going to be the year she experimented with different things?

I have been of the opinoin for some time now that she needed to branch out into other things in order to continue to grow her career. The problem is that once this decision is made, there really is no safe way to do it. Virtually any change she might make - a change in image for example, or a change in her niche would run the rist of upsetting "a lot" of people. In fact, there probably is no "safe" way to do it.

I strongly suspect that there will be other efforts made - we will probably like some of them and dislike others, and some will be more successful than others. I am intrigued however by the fact that the effort is now being made. I think it might have been better done sooner......

Jon

[roger]

Mar 19, 2009 4:26:15 GMT milewalker said:

How many people constitutes "a lot" Roger?

Hi Jon,

Of the 37 members who have voted in our poll, 9 of them have voted that they disapprove. That is 24.32 per cent. If you then include the member who PM'd their disapproval and requested that their account be closed, that makes 10 out of 38, or 26.31 per cent. If that is representative of her fanbase worldwide, the effect could be catastrophic. But of course, we are constantly being told that the majority of people won't even realise it is her. If that is true - and I'm not necessarily saying it is - but if it is true, then she has very little to gain and an awful lot to lose. That in itself seems a perfectly good reason to disapprove.

Incidentally, thank you to martindn and Nicola for you kind words last night. They are appreciated.

Roger

[texassteve]

Mar 19, 2009 10:06:15 GMT @roger said:

Mar 19, 2009 4:26:15 GMT milewalker said:

How many people constitutes "a lot" Roger?

Hi Jon,

Of the 37 members who have voted in our poll, 9 of them have voted that they disapprove. That is 24.32 per cent. If you then include the member who PM'd their disapproval and requested that their account be closed, that makes 10 out of 38, or 26.31 per cent. If that is representative of her fanbase worldwide, the effect could be catastrophic. But of course, we are constantly being told that the majority of people won't even realise it is her. If that is true - and I'm not necessarily saying it is - but if it is true, then she has very little to gain and an awful lot to lose. That in itself seems a perfectly good reason to disapprove.

Incidentally, thank you to martindn and Nicola for you kind words last night. They are appreciated.

Roger

I take part here against my better judgement. I am not voting in the poll. Internet polls are never representative because the votes are from "volunteers". Creating a truely representative sample of any population is not a simple matter. It is also doubtful that members of this forum are representative of HW's worldwide fanbase.

But, nevertheless, even if 30% of her worldwide fanbase "disaprove" of her involvement with this film and know about it, how can it be said that this will be "catostrophic"? Does a vote in this poll mean that they will stop buying or stop listening to her records?

I am a conservative middle-aged man who has no intention of watching this film, but I cannot believe this will do her any harm. I don't like or approve of the language used in this film or the silliness of it or the gratuitous violence; but such language is, unfortunately, common these days and there are few films that don't use it. I hear such language every day in the workplace and on the street.

I suspect, as milewalker has said, that it won't have much effect either way, but it is a case of all publicity being good publicity in this business.

I wonder how many of Katherine Jenkins fans "approved" of her drug-taking? But how much damage has it done to her career?

I cannot understand how this would in anyway be fuel for the tabloids and I can't understand how this is in anyway a departure from Miss Westenra's other work. I can't see how this is a "risk" or a change in direction or attitude. I'm sure had an opportunity like this arisen in the past she would have taken it.

[martindn]

Mar 19, 2009 10:06:15 GMT @roger said:

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Of the 37 members who have voted in our poll, 9 of them have voted that they disapprove. That is 24.32 per cent. If you then include the member who PM'd their disapproval and requested that their account be closed, that makes 10 out of 38, or 26.31 per cent. If that is representative of her fanbase worldwide, the effect could be catastrophic. But of course, we are constantly being told that the majority of people won't even realise it is her. If that is true - and I'm not necessarily saying it is - but if it is true, then she has very little to gain and an awful lot to lose. That in itself seems a perfectly good reason to disapprove.


Roger

Roger,

OK, I'll admit it!
I was one of those who voted "disapprove". I didn't really like that word, since it does not really sum up how I feel, but voted for it as the "nearest". I could not say that I was glad she did it, or that I was indifferent to the problems it seems to be causing, so there isn't much else left.
Disapproval though can be taken to imply that I wish to exert some control over what Hayley does, or that I am passing moral judgment on her, which is far from the truth.
What it really means is that I am concerned that it is upsetting some fans, and when she reads this thread it will probably upset Hayley as well. I would rather that didn't happen.
It doesn't, as i said above, mean I think any the less of her or will stop supporting her, attending her concerts and buying her records. She still has a fabulous voice that I love to listen to.

In fact Hayley is probably in need of some support right now, what with all the fuss about this and the collapse and postponement of the NZ tour. These things must be painful for her.


Martin

[milewalker]

Hi Roger,

If the room that Hayley has to manouever is really that narrow, my only response would be that she has far more problems sustaining her career than the issues surrounding this trivial little project. If this really constitutes a major problem than sooner rather than later something else would come up as an issue.

However, fanbases are like onions - which is to say that they organize in concentric layers. What we have on this site is representative of the core at the very center of the onion. This is, I think what Larry was trying to say above. I would also add however, that as you move toward the outside of the onion, the effect of something like this becomes more and more diffuse, but also potentially reaches many more people.

The bottom line is that the kids who post videos of dark waltz on You Tube by the dozens constititue far more of her sales than we generate here. The real impact of something like this has to be measured out there - and I dont think we have the tools to do that. I rather doubt this would reach too many of them - but you never know. However, if it did that group would be far less likely to suffer the kind of cultural disonance I seem to be observing here.....

I just dont get the problem Roger. At worst, what you are saying is that 75 percent of the people on this site (give or take) approve (or dont dissapprove) of the project. Many of those people are on record as saying that it is only the project they dont like - not the fact of Hayley's participation per se.

Speaking personally I strongly suspect that I very seldom get that kind of approval rating for the decisions I make at my job

Jon

[Dave]

Mar 19, 2009 13:14:14 GMT martindn said:

OK, I'll admit it!
I was one of those who voted "https://i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifisapprove". I didn't really like that word... It doesn't, as i said above, mean I think any the less of her or will stop supporting her, attending her concerts and buying her records. She still has a fabulous voice that I love to listen to.

Hi Martin,

You are right, none of the questions in the current poll here are about how much members support or will continue to support Hayley. To guage that, we would need a separate poll specifically asking that question.

But as others have said, it's an internet poll on a fansite and I think it is of limited relevance to Hayley's wider fanbase, i.e. the people who buy her records and attend her concerts but who do not join or read music forums. Most of them may never even find out that Hayley did some vocalising on the soundtrack of this film, if indeed they find out about the film itself.

The results of the poll so far indicate to me that most members have no problem with Hayley's participation in the soundtrack of LVK, that some members wish Hayley hadn't done it, and that some of them feel strongly about it; no more than that.

Cheers, Dave

[roger]

Mar 19, 2009 14:05:00 GMT milewalker said:

I just dont get the problem Roger. At worst, what you are saying is that 75 percent of the people on this site (give or take) approve (or dont dissapprove) of the project. Many of those people are on record as saying that it is only the project they dont like - not the fact of Hayley's participation per se.

I would have thought that only 75% in favour was a pretty worrying result when we have always been 100% in favour of everything she has done in the past.

Talking of which, HWI has been criticized in the past for being unduly biased in favour of everything she does. Now, when some of us are far from happy about it, we get shot down in flames for saying so. So tell me, just what are we allowed to say on this forum?

Going back to your first point, the room in which she has to manouever is not narrow at all. It is vast without having to resort to distasteful projects like this.

Roger

[Martin]

It appears to me that there are two key unanswered questions here that would substantiate the arguments either for and against. They are:

1) Was Hayley invited by Debbie Wiseman alone to participate in the recording of the soundtrack?
2) Was Hayley aware of either the film's content or title at the time of accepting the offer ?

Without these answers I do not think that any of us can make an appropriate judgement..

Martin

[Andrew]

Hi All,

I haven't seen any previews for the film 'Lesbian Vampire Killers' ... so I don't really know what to expect... so it probably wouldn't be fair for me to make any major comments/ assumptions until I've done some more research on this...

With reference to some of Dave's previous posts - I do admit to enjoying watching episodes of: 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer' a number of years ago on TV... I will at this point only make some general comments here (based on my preconceptions, which incidentally might be completely inaccurate- since I don't know anything about the film!) As Dave suggests, a hunch also tells me that I don't think we can expect this film to be in the same calibre/ league as "Buffy" in terms of quality... The title of the film alone suggests to me that this film is either a spoof which shouldn't be taken seriously... or the film producer(s) is/ are trying to use shock tactics in order to attract media hype/ attention from "the punters"... Perhaps even something akin to the 'Sex Pistols' in the world of rock music back in 1976/ '77- LOL i.e. revamped ideas (rock 'n' roll) presented in a fresh, new way (lude and crude PUNK ROCK!!!)

At this stage I'm not bowled over by the idea of Hayley's involvement in this venture at all. Up until now (in my mind) every project/ venture Hayley has signed her name to has breathed the essence of wholesomeness and she has never left room for any doubt / thoughts to the contrary. I'm not so sure about this one.

Is this an example of Hayley simply going out on a tangent (a completely different direction) in order to produce "Art For Art's Sake"?

Andrew

[Paddy]

Mar 19, 2009 18:03:09 GMT @roger said:

I would have thought that only 75% in favour was a pretty worrying result when we have always been 100% in favour of everything she has done in the past.

Talking of which, HWI has been criticized in the past for being unduly biased in favour of everything she does. Now, when some of us are far from happy about it, we get shot down in flames for saying so. So tell me, just what are we allowed to say on this forum?

I hope and believe that this is not so.

Divergent views have been expressed emphatically on all sides of the debate;

But I haven’t noticed anyone being placed under attack or ‘shot down in flames’ because of views expressed.


What seem most to divide are the divergent (moral) viewpoints on the film itself and the different assessments of its consequences.

But it seems to me that the various views (sincerely expressed on all sides)

clearly demonstrate (in different ways) a common concern for Hayley’s well-being and success.


The manner in which the debate has been conducted so far (I believe) does credit to HWI members – and especially to its stalwart leaders.

Debate can be healthy and I'm confident that the HWI ‘plane’ will recover its steady flight path forward, despite temporary setbacks.


Paddy

[socalboy]

Does anyone seriously believe that the same person who at 15 successfully battled her label for the inclusion of a song on her first album, or who more recently single-handedly rebuffed a corporate strategy to change her image, has suddenly turned into a shrinking violet and signed on innocently and unknowingly to this movie spoof?

This thread is all about what each of us assumes we know about Hayley. What I think I know is that behind the humility and reserve is a firm backbone and calm intelligence in which much has been entrusted up to now. If it’s right for Hayley it’s right for me.