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Post by roger on Mar 16, 2009 5:04:09 GMT
There seems to be a recurring suggestion here that we should all reserve judgement until we know more about it. We know the title, we have read the synopisis, we have read the reviews, we have seen the clips and we have seen the tracklisting. How much more detail do we need in order to formulate an opinion?
Roger
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Post by spiderman on Mar 16, 2009 5:08:03 GMT
guys, [and woman-folk]
appearing in a soundtrack {or a movie} doesnt constitute an endorsement of the contents of the movie. im sure no-one who participated in the movie "hounddog" thinks they will be thought of as a child rapist, or endorsing the same. likewise, no-one will think of DSL hayley as a lesbian, or a vampire killer, or both
pardon me if ive mis-read the thread.
the spiderman
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Post by roger on Mar 16, 2009 5:25:18 GMT
Hi Spiderman,
I *think* I can guess the meaning of "DSL" and, if I am right, I would have agreed with you until recently. I think I can assure you, though, that nobody has suggested that Hayley is a lesbian, a vampire or a killer and I'm sure we never would. Nevertheless, her association with the film can only be seen as an endorsement on the basis that, if she disapproved, she would surely not have been involved. That is the bit that I am finding impossible to come to terms with.
Perhaps we can look at this from a different perspective if only temporarily. This is exactly the kind of topic which, under normal circumstances, would be banned from being discussed on this forum on the basis that it would be deemed inappropriate and offensive to some. But because of Hayley's involvement, we have no choice but to allow it some coverage. Whilst we have a responsibility towards Hayley, as the owner of HWI and therefore this forum, I also have a responsibility towards all our members and all our guests, some of whom are likely to be very young. Frankly, that puts me in an impossible position.
Roger
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Post by grant on Mar 16, 2009 8:54:53 GMT
Hi Roger Did you get any sleep at all last night!  Grant mentioned earlier that declining the job may have resulted in some people seeing Hayley as "https://i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifivaish" (I knew I'd seen it somewhere!). I don't see why that should be. I think what I was trying to say (and I'm sure it was someone elses idea in another thread) was that had it been some 'two-bit' writer approaching Hayley to participate it may well have been dfferent. Debbie's standing in her field (as suggested by Dave) means, I am sure, that she is looked up to by many others in the business who would have seen Hayley's refusal as being overly selective in what she does or doesn't do, to the extent that it may affect opportunities coming her way from other sources. By the way, I understand your dilema with this thread.  Best wishes Grant |
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Post by comet on Mar 16, 2009 11:30:27 GMT
Hmmmmmm !
Looking back at the The New World, it wasn't exactly Little House on The Prairie either.
Ennio Morricone's music, although beautiful, accompanies some of the most horrific violence I have ever seen on film. But the music can also stand alone and in it's own right !
I have many soundtracks to films I have never seen.......
I do believe many films with overdone gratuitous violence SHOULD NOT BE MADE at all . Responsibility should be taken by the filmmaker and calling it ART is no excuse..
But they are a reflection of the society we live in. They are also a cause of the violence. "Monkey see... Monkey do" This is an indisputable fact, our young people are influenced by these films and the violent games they play,Those responsible for making them will have a lot to answer for in the future generations of messed up minds. I sometimes wonder do these people have no children and is this the kind of world they want to see in the future.
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Post by Dave on Mar 16, 2009 14:57:36 GMT
For anyone who is interested and who, like me, doesn't tend to watch this type of film, there is an interesting review of the genre (Vampire Movies) here: www.vampirefilmfestival.com/Vampire_Film_History.htmlBuffy the Vampire Slayer is mentioned and is of course considered to be a mainstream TV type of movie, but the uncut movie version is rated 15 in the UK - the same rating as LVK. Like Buffy (uncut), the UK film censors consider LVK to be suitable for 15 year old children to view in cinemas on their own. I wonder if Hayley would be getting such a hard time if she appeared in the soundtrack of a film like Buffy? I am not suggesting that LVK is in the same league as Buffy, it is clearly of a much lower quality standard... and therein lies my concern: not the vampires etc., but that most people may see it as cheap and nasty - a poor movie (judging by the reviews so far). Unless the reviewers are wrong, and let's hope they are, thank goodness Hayley is only in the soundtrack! |
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Post by drew on Mar 16, 2009 15:15:01 GMT
Conspicuous by it's absence, LVK is not mentioned on either the RPO or the Crouch End Festival chorus websites. Crouch End have performed for Debbie Wiseman before on the soundtrack for Arsene Lupin.
For anyone interested the film premiere of LVK is at West End Vue, Leicester Square tomorrow evening.
Whoever started this thread deserves a stake through the heart.
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Post by Richard on Mar 16, 2009 15:23:57 GMT
Hello Drew.
The film isn't mentioned on Hayley's official website either.
Richard
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Post by gra7890 on Mar 16, 2009 17:47:32 GMT
There seems to be a recurring suggestion here that we should all reserve judgment until we know more about it. We know the title, we have read the synopsis, we have read the reviews, we have seen the clips and we have seen the tracklisting. How much more detail do we need in order to formulate an opinion? Before I decide my position re Hayley, I would like to know just how much she knew about the content of film, and the track titles etc when she recorded the vocals. Also the role of Bedlam in the decision making process before she did it is crucial. Only when this sort of info' is available can we decide our position. We may end up all supporting her if she was not fully aware; on the other hand if she knew fully the facts it is entirely different and I can see members going in different directions on this Roger you appear to be deciding before these important details are known Graham |
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Post by comet on Mar 16, 2009 18:06:11 GMT
We all are free to decide to watch the movie or not.. Your choice We are all free to listen to the soundtrack or not..... Your choice I think I'll just be a dog and remain unconditionally loyal  Wuff ! Wuff ! |
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Post by grant on Mar 16, 2009 18:15:34 GMT
Whoever started this thread deserves a stake through the heart. That would be you then!  Volunteers queue here please!  Best wishes Grant |
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Post by nicola on Mar 16, 2009 18:31:02 GMT
It's a film. It's entertainment. I'm sure Hayley has watched horror films before and may have enjoyed some, she's an adult. Hell, I bet most minors have watched a horror film, and ones far worse than this LVK! From what I've read about the film, it's just a bit of fun. Chill out. There is no problem with giving the SOUNDTRACK coverage, as long as you do not link or give out material that is considered mature. Every Sarah Brightman website did coverage of her 'Repo! The Genetic Opera' film, and that's a full fledged 18 guts/gore/rip out intestines kind of film that makes this tongue in cheek 15 certificate film seem trivial, and she not only starred on the soundtrack but in the film aswell. You may remember the trailer I made you sit through Roger to discern whether it was suitable to post or not. I saw that film last night, by the way. It was dreadful! |
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Post by Steve H on Mar 16, 2009 18:40:33 GMT
Whoever started this thread deserves a stake through the heart. Hi Drew, I would opt for something more certain  My view has been echoed by Comet: We all are free to decide to watch the movie or not.. Your choice We are all free to listen to the soundtrack or not..... Your choice Steve H  |
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Post by roger on Mar 16, 2009 19:41:26 GMT
Hi Graham,
Last week, I exchanged several emails with Kathryn Nash. She knew exactly how I felt about the film and Hayley's involvement. She tried to help by sending me links to the clips and the reviews, all of which I had already seen. Had your hopeful scenario (of Hayley not knowing the full story at the time of the recording) been true, I am absolutely certain she would have told me. She didn't. Instead, she was fully supportive of the project. I therefore believe I have seen and heard more than enough on which to base a well-considered opinion.
Roger
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Post by drew on Mar 16, 2009 20:30:33 GMT
I would opt for something more certain Steve, that looks like a long distance rifle from Kanazawa. I am taking cover. Please don't shoot the messenger. |
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