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Post by Paddy on Mar 14, 2009 23:09:37 GMT
........ the suggestion that this is a big mistake on Hayley's part. I thought so too at first, but it is only a film score we're talking about here, not a staring role in a blue movie! A film not to be taken too seriously, I believe. It's seems to be no more than far-fetched fiction. Fiction of a kind that (strangely) some people seem to find entertaining. Even if I bother to go see it, I doubt if I'll laugh even once! Nor am I likely to find it offensive, as it seems too far removed from reality. That said, in real life, I dislike gratuitous bad language and the conventional poking fun at people who may be different. But we must work and play in the real world - and so must Hayley. Paddy |
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Post by martindn on Mar 15, 2009 0:19:02 GMT
Actually I'm not convinced that the sort of people that would enjoy such a film would take to Hayley. They would probably find her much to straight laced and in their eyes boring. These are the sort that perhaps would like to see her "dress like a tart" and dance around on stage in a provocative manner. Don't do it Hayley! It isn't you.
Martin
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Post by Jillian on Mar 15, 2009 0:37:02 GMT
You may be underestimating Hayley's ability to appeal to the masses there!  I noticed that we have a new member, Victor, who said that until he first heard Hayley, all he listened to was heavy metal music. In the same way, Hayley sits alongside Britney Spears, U2, Coldplay and all sorts of rock and pop music in my Itunes playlist. I know that my housemate listens to 2 types of music: Britney Spears and Celtic music! To me, this movie sounds like the perfect thing to rent out on a Friday night with takeaway -- maybe because I'm only just out of my teens I think it sounds like a laugh and I'm probably not as easily offended. I think that it's fun that Hayley is involved in something young and funny like this and I don't think that it's compromising her in any way -- it's just a collaboration with an orchestra -- But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this point, I suppose! It does, however, highlight a possible dilema that Hayley might face if she does decide to diversify her projects in the future. It's interesting to see how something which some fans see as harmless fun is actually quite alienating to others. I guess it represents the difficulty that a lot of performers face when it comes time to update their careers or reinvent themselves. The old challenge of how to change and gain new fans whilst bringing the old fans along with them. |
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Post by martindn on Mar 15, 2009 1:16:20 GMT
Well, Jillian I would list my favourite artists as Pink Floyd, Yes, Led Zeppelin, the Incredible String Band and Hayley Westenra. Like Victor (who incidentally comes from a place where I once lived) I grew up on that stuff.
I am not one who is shocked so much as bored by movies like that. I just can't see the point of it. If it needs bad language to be funny then in my book it isn't. If it is funny without the bad language, then why include it?
I suppose I might have misinterpreted this, and instead it is about 1950s British jet training aircraft, a pop group and the inhabitants of a Greek island. But I doubt it (and that is probably funnier than the film).
Martin
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Post by Ross on Mar 15, 2009 5:06:33 GMT
I personally have no problem with Hayley being involved with this movie. It is bit like her being involved with the Jekyll TV series and some people probably didn't like that either.
I like going to movies and I like fantasy ones especially so I will probably enjoy this movie but it will not be to every ones taste.I have already ordered the soundtrack.
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Post by Martin on Mar 15, 2009 10:25:58 GMT
Hi Gordon I think your comments are perfectly understandable and whilst I am not shocked by Hayley's involvement, I am a bit disappointed. It would be wrong to question Hayley's or indeed Bedlam's judgement and I would guess that it was Debbie Wisemen and not the film's producers who asked Hayley to participate on the soundtrack. On this basis alone it was probably difficult for Hayley to refuse considering their long standing collaboration. As already stated, it is purely a soundtrack for a film that is targeted at a specific niche market and in my opinion it is highly unlikely that Hayley's reputation will be affected. Perhaps next time Hayley will be invited to record the soundtrack for the next Bond movie!  Martin |
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Post by postscript on Mar 15, 2009 13:13:34 GMT
I have just watched the trailer to this movie and feel that the subject matter and language would be offensive to the majority of Hayley's current fans. In my opinion Hayley has made a big mistake by being involved with this project which could destroy her present image. It is possible that she might gain new fans but at the expense of losing some of her present audience. Comments please. Gordon Gordon, I'm scrubbing what i originally wrote as explained in my reply to Grant and subsequently say that I agree with Dave's post which seems to put the matter simply and objectively. Peter S. |
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Post by grant on Mar 15, 2009 13:31:10 GMT
Hi Peter Gordon, is it not the case that she simply accepted an invite to an event? There could be a myriad of reasons why she accepted all possibly to do with who invited her, why and what connections were attached or implied? This should be seen as a social occasion not and not in any way related top her career. The fact she attended the first night does not mean she has endorsed the film in any way. Peter S. I think you have grabbed the wrong end of the stick!  Hayley did not attend the first night nor will she. The concern expressed by some members here relates to the fact that she collaborated with Debbie Wiseman on the soundtrack and that being associated with this type of film may damage her image. Perhaps you should read through the thread and reconsider your post Best wishes Grant P.S. I think I would have been more concerned for her image had she attended the premier rather than being involved with the soundtrack  |
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Post by Dave on Mar 15, 2009 14:01:22 GMT
Perhaps next time Hayley will be invited to record the soundtrack for the next Bond movie! Martin Hi Martin, There is indeed a continuing possibility that one day, Debbie Wiseman will be commissioned to write the score for a blockbuster movie, at least one review of this soundtrack likens it to several recent Hollywood "A" movies and says it's better. Hayley would then be in the frame for a possible involvement. Debbie is already acknowledged to be one of the foremost UK TV and film composers and it would be extremely difficult for anyone at Hayley's level in the industry to refuse an invitation from Debbie to collaborate; many in the music industry and some fans too might even say irresponsible. The stars of the film are currently "hot property" in TV comedy (though I don't watch them much), who played a major part in the huge UK charity show "Red Nose Day" on Friday night - and with this and the respected composer/performer list for the soundtrack, it would I think have been extremely difficult for Hayley to refuse to participate. The main reason that I wish she hadn't done this is because it has seriously offended some fans; no more than that. Overall, I think it is more likely to help her career than hinder it. I think it is unlikely to change significantly the way Hayley performs, what she sings, or the charity work she is involved in. Cheers, Dave |
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Post by postscript on Mar 15, 2009 14:04:20 GMT
Hi Dave.
A lovely succinct pragmatic and 'authoritative' review of the situation.
Peter S.
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Post by postscript on Mar 15, 2009 14:07:10 GMT
Hi Peter Gordon, is it not the case that she simply accepted an invite to an event? There could be a myriad of reasons why she accepted all possibly to do with who invited her, why and what connections were attached or implied? This should be seen as a social occasion not and not in any way related top her career. The fact she attended the first night does not mean she has endorsed the film in any way. Peter S. I think you have grabbed the wrong end of the stick! Hayley did not attend the first night nor will she. The concern expressed by some members here relates to the fact that she collaborated with Debbie Wiseman on the soundtrack and that being associated with this type of film may damage her image. Perhaps you should read through the thread and reconsider your post Best wishes Grant P.S. I think I would have been more concerned for her image had she attended the premier rather than being involved with the soundtrack  Thank you, Grant, yes I had indeed got hold of the wrong end of the stick and was on my way to alter what I posted when I picked up your post. Thank you. By the by, I am of course one person who should indeed know the right way to hold the stick, as I'm a printer and taught myself to handset 'soldiers of lead' when only 13! The term derives from printing. When setting type (by hand) if you do not hold the composing stick the right way round you will get gobbledy-gook! Peter S. |
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Post by roger on Mar 15, 2009 14:43:10 GMT
Hayley did not attend the first night nor will she. Of course she didn't/won't. She is in Japan. I don't believe for a moment that she wouldn't attend if she was in the UK. Roger |
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Post by grant on Mar 15, 2009 18:12:45 GMT
Hello everyone
In view of Dave's post, which seems to put this whole situation into perspective, and suggests that Hayley probably had little choice but to accept her role in the sound track. Maybe it's time to step back and take stock of our own thoughts and feelings.
Personally, I feel much more comfortable thinking along the line of Dave's take on the situation and hope that those members who have felt offended by Hayley's involvement will now be able to rethink their own position.
Best wishes
Grant
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Post by 1littlegirl on Mar 15, 2009 18:15:39 GMT
I definitely agree with what Gordon and Roger have said. I really don't think Hayley had a good idea of what exactly she was recording the soundtrack for. She may not have even known the title at the time. (At least I hope this is the case!) But I will most definitely not be buying this soundtrack, even though some people here say it is merely the soundtrack and not the movie, because I find the titles of most of the songs just as disturbing as the movie itself. I don't want anything like that on my iPod. As for the argument that it will bring her more fans...well, I don't think Hayley should have those kinds of fans. I care about her too much.
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Post by martindn on Mar 15, 2009 20:33:50 GMT
Well, yes, I agree with Dave that it was difficult for her to refuse, even if she had wanted to. I don't think that this means that Hayley has suddenly taken leave of her class and gone for the cheap and tacky. I don't think it will win her any new fans either, she is not the sort of girl I can imagine folk who enjoy that sort of entertainment liking. More likely the would try to knock her off what they would see as her pedastal. There might be filthy language in the film, but I'm sure Hayley would never use language like that. So I don't think that Hayley's involvement in the soundtrack means that she necessarily has lowered her standards. It is just doing a job for a friend that might lead to better things.
Martin
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