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Post by roger on Mar 15, 2009 21:01:51 GMT
I don't accept that she couldn't say no. There are better ways of succeeding in the music inductry than being associated with trash like this. Indeed Martin, Hayley will almost certainly not be heard using such language but she has still recorded songs the titles of which we cannot post to this forum (not that we'd want to) and I have refused to allow the album to be listed on the main site.
Btw, good for you Cathleen and thank you for speaking out in the name of decency.
Roger
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Post by Belinda on Mar 15, 2009 23:03:17 GMT
But then again, it is likely that the few people who really notice Hayley's involvement on the soundtrack are her big fans -- and her big fans know that Hayley has no intention of alienating her fanbase. The reality is that people who find films of this nature offensive are not going to pay their dollars to go see it and there is a slight chance that someone who does really like it might just notice the soundtrack. I think that she has more to gain by the addition to her CV and the connections with people in the industry she has made by doing this soundtrack. I don't think that it can hurt for Hayley to veer off the straight and narrow occassionally -- I personally think that it's pretty cool that Hayley is involved in such a fun movie! I fully support Hayleys involvement in this . If shes happy with it i am Belinda |
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Post by gra7890 on Mar 15, 2009 23:08:33 GMT
Members seem to be making statements without knowing many facts. It would seem sensible not to have any more speculation until we have some reliable information. I am surprised at what some have said; I am going to reserve judgment  Graham |
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Post by grant on Mar 15, 2009 23:22:27 GMT
Hi Cathleen, Roger and everyone.
I think we may be at risk of missing the big picture here. Firstly, whilst I agree that this movie may not be everyone's cup of tea, I think referring to it as 'trash' is a bit harsh, and I can understand the concerns because this is a move away from what we are used to seeing from Hayley but, to be fair, she has said that she intends to take a few risks this year so maybe that's what we are seeing here.
More importantly, this is Hayley's third collaboration with Debbie Wiseman and for Hayley to have declined may have resulted in accusations of Hayley being picky; Divaish or displaying arrogance. We know Debbie is very highly respected in her field and I'm sure that other writers in the same field will be looking to see who's 'in' at the moment when considering who to choose for their next project.
It's been said many times that getting a chance at a 'blockbuster' movie would put Hayley on the map career wise and being 'picky' now could seriously damage her career if there is something like that in the pipeline - maybe she knows something we don't - maybe there is something afoot and maybe she can't pick and choose because of it. We may never know but, if ever there was a time to give Hayley our full support, this is it!
All things considered, I'm 100% behind Hayley on this one.
Best wishes
Grant
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Post by fusilier23 on Mar 15, 2009 23:31:47 GMT
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Maybe we should all take a deep breath here. Not for nothing, but I saw this type of thing happen six years ago with another singer. She decided she wanted to change direction, some fans disagreed, a series of extremely heated arguments resulted, and it all culminated with the destruction of one fansite, the severe reduction of another, and a much reduced profile for the artist.
As a strong Christian and a political conservative, something like this isn't my cup of tea, but I'm not going to condemn Hayley for it, any more than I condemn Ronan Tynan for being closely associated with one side politically here or Celtic Woman for doing a gig for the other side. That said, Hayley's got to think as to whether this is going to help her or hurt her in the long run, which I assume she did. Her choices are her choices, and her regrets will be hers alone.
The same applies to all of us, though. In the end we all have to follow our consciences, and if that leads you to yank your support or part ways with someone, then that's your prerogative. But this site is here to support Hayley, and a destructive argument isn't in anyone's best interest, including hers.
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Post by roger on Mar 15, 2009 23:32:25 GMT
Hi Grant,
This is the kind of films that can corrupt minds, especially those of an impressionable age which is exactly the target audience in this case. I therefore calls it as trash.
Roger
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Post by roger on Mar 15, 2009 23:36:15 GMT
Thank you Steven for a valuable post. In the end we all have to follow our consciences... Yes, I fully agree and that is precisely what I intend to do. Roger |
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Post by fusilier23 on Mar 15, 2009 23:58:32 GMT
Hi Grant, This is the kind of films that can corrupt minds, especially those of an impressionable age which is exactly the target audience in this case. I therefore calls it as trash. Roger Maybe so, but isn't that a parent's responsibility, to keep kids away from stuff that may lead them down the wrong path? |
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Post by roger on Mar 16, 2009 0:03:05 GMT
Yes it is but since when did that stop them seeing it? Far better not to make such films in the first place and, if they must be made, why would someone with a "role-model" image risk destroying her good name merely to be associated with it?
Roger
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Post by I-H-F on Mar 16, 2009 0:29:20 GMT
As for the argument that it will bring her more fans...well, I don't think Hayley should have those kinds of fans. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that. What type of people would you imagine would watch this film? I think this movie will be watched by lots of age groups. A horror spoof for people who want a bit of entertainment and a night out. I've seen the tracklisting. Other than one title, there's nothing really to be concerned about. |
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Post by fusilier23 on Mar 16, 2009 0:34:32 GMT
Sorry Roger, but that's where you lose me. The entertainment world, like all other fields, is a marketplace of ideas. I am firmly in the camp of free speech and a free press, and I don't like the idea of preventing films from being made just because someone doesn't like the content, that's what the rating system is for and that's why parents need to know where their kids are and what they're doing at all times.
Also remember, Hayley's 21 almost 22, she's an adult now, and as such she has to make her own choices and be accountable for them, but it's not her responsibility to raise any kids but her own. I don't like diva-like behavior from singers, substance abuse by actors, or showboating by athletes, but in the end it's up to parents to explain to kids why this behavior is unacceptable, or why certain material isn't allowed in this house.
Also, I HOPE this is just a paying gig for Hayley. If she is in fact doing this to jolt her fanbase, well, then she gets what she gets. I can think of at least one other singer who deliberately courted the gay community to drive conservative fans away. In the end she didn't get a new gay fanbase AND she lost the conservative fanbase, so who won there?
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Post by roger on Mar 16, 2009 1:03:56 GMT
Hi Steven,
Well, it would be better if such films were not made. We wouldn't have this problem then and neither would many other people whose kids have been badly influenced. However, I take your point about free speech and free press. And yes, that's what the rating system is for but that is dependent upon the correct rating being given which is not unlike moderating a forum only with infinitly worse consequences if they get it wrong.
I don't understand where the "diva-like" reference fits into this particular issue. Had she turned down the job, why would that make her a diva? It would just be Hayley being true to her principles and many would have respected her greatly for it.
Roger
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Post by fusilier23 on Mar 16, 2009 1:33:34 GMT
Oh no, I'm not saying she was diva-like, I was just using that as a generic example of behavior that isn't liked by the public. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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Post by roger on Mar 16, 2009 1:47:09 GMT
Hi Steven,
No worries. The misunderstanding was more my fault than yours. My excuse is that I'm still online at approaching 2am! Nevertheless, Grant mentioned earlier that declining the job may have resulted in some people seeing Hayley as "divaish" (I knew I'd seen it somewhere!). I don't see why that should be.
Roger
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Post by 1littlegirl on Mar 16, 2009 3:22:41 GMT
As for the argument that it will bring her more fans...well, I don't think Hayley should have those kinds of fans. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that. What type of people would you imagine would watch this film? Obviously people with no or very few moral standards. I'd rather not go into more detail.  I just want to say that I'm giving Hayley the benefit of the doubt here. Of course I will not try to assume anything since we don't have specific details. But I'm not going to worry about this too much because I doubt this movie/soundtrack will even be a big hit. And there are still many many other better wonderful Hayley songs for me to listen to. |
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