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Post by Dave on Sept 29, 2010 12:25:41 GMT
I have to say, I find it hard to trust or rely on Internet statistics when I see differences like the following: HWI website % of visitors for the last week, top 6, was: US 64% (similar to Joe's forum stats) UK 11% Russia 3% China 2.5% Japan 2% Taiwan 1.5% HWI on YouTube (ONLY of the above Countries): US 20% UK 10% Russia 0.2% China 0.0% Japan 10% Taiwan 12% Make what you will of that! It's why I don't often say much about the stats. I may comment in Martin D's YT stats thread later today.  Cheers, Dave |
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Post by nicola on Sept 29, 2010 15:20:31 GMT
Thought this was amusing, but I had an American member of my website message me the other day and asked why Celtic Woman were not on my website. I gave him my answer. Then he wondered did I add Hayley only after she had left Celtic Woman? He had no idea that she had a huge solo career anyway and her inclusion on my website had nothing to do with Celtic Woman.
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Post by nicola on Sept 29, 2010 17:37:40 GMT
Dave,
From my observations from my website, Americans are a different kind of fan than to the British fan. They are more enthusiastic, and for lack of a better word, obsessive, than others. They do a lot more, spend a lot more and dedicate a lot of their time on that artist, be it searching, reading or listening. This is particularly true of the older generations.
But that's just my observations, nothing scientific in it, but with that in mind, the statistics do not surprise me.
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Post by Libby on Sept 29, 2010 19:38:21 GMT
They are more enthusiastic, and for lack of a better word, obsessive, than others. They do a lot more, spend a lot more and dedicate a lot of their time on that artist, be it searching, reading or listening. This is particularly true of the older generations. I'm not old, so how do you explain me?  |
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Post by Libby on Sept 29, 2010 19:42:17 GMT
Also, there seems to be a large percentage of American members on the official forum. I'm not sure how to find out the statistics, but I'm going by the active members, as well as new members who post.
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Post by milewalker on Sept 29, 2010 20:00:30 GMT
They are more enthusiastic, and for lack of a better word, obsessive, than others. They do a lot more, spend a lot more and dedicate a lot of their time on that artist, be it searching, reading or listening. This is particularly true of the older generations. I'm not old, so how do you explain me? Major universities have spent millions in a vain effort to answer that.... |
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Post by romancoronado on Sept 29, 2010 20:36:46 GMT
I'm not old, so how do you explain me? Major universities have spent millions in a vain effort to answer that.... HA! |
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Post by martindn on Sept 29, 2010 22:45:46 GMT
Well, Dave and everyone, it seems to me that all of these statistics are pointing the same way. Hayley has more fans in the United States than in any other country in the world!!!
It seems to be assumed by the Americans here that she is well known in the UK. I don't find that at all. I am always pleasantly surprised when I mention her to someone and find that they know who she is. Most don't.
I think she is probably better known in New Zealand than anywhere, but NZ's small population is swamped by that od the US, so she actually has more US fans.
How does that correlate with the title of this thread. If she isn't popular in the US, she isn't popular anywhere.
Martin D
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Post by romancoronado on Sept 30, 2010 0:48:00 GMT
The thing you have to remember is that Hayley likes to do her own thing. She performs music that she happens to like. It is always quality stuff, and I like it too, and I'm sure many others would if they knew about it. I would vastly prefer it is she continued to be true to herself in that way, ad didn't try to do something that "isn't her" to pander to a market that is probably already catered for by American artists. I just don't think that would work. The thing is, she doesn't need to copy anyone else. Larry, Streisansd and Dion are great singers, and each has her own unique style. So is and does Hayley. That is her strength,and she shouldn't try to be something she isn't. What she is is wonderful anyway in my book. I don't think the problem is with who Hayley is as an artist, it is getting publicity and convincing a media establishment that has fixed (and quite probably wrong) ideas about what people want. Martin D Agreed. I'd much rather her stay true to what she wants and who she is. And she has done exactly that all this time so I don't think she'll ever compromise that. To reiterate what Larry was saying, IF Hayley wished to venture into Dion's or Streisand's arena she would be able to adapt with ease and it wouldn't be far from what Hayley is doing now. Dave, From my observations from my website, Americans are a different kind of fan than to the British fan. They are more enthusiastic, and for lack of a better word, obsessive, than others. They do a lot more, spend a lot more and dedicate a lot of their time on that artist, be it searching, reading or listening. This is particularly true of the older generations. But that's just my observations, nothing scientific in it, but with that in mind, the statistics do not surprise me. I'm on board with that. And I think obsessive is a pretty good choice of wording. I happen to think I feel that way about Hayley but to me it's a bit more than that. In all honesty I've never felt so passionately about any artist from any genre as I do about Hayley. And to me that says something especially since I look at artists through the eyes of a musician. There have been numerous vocalists, students and professionals, that I felt they have an AMAZING voice. But until Hayley I never felt that anyone had a BEAUTIFUL voice. For me that means someone that just captures me completely and has my full focus for the entire album/concert/song and you just want to hear it again and again and you can't seem to get enough. As to the statistics I wonder how much of that is repetitive. I visit this site multiple times a day, same with some of the youtube videos. |
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Post by Libby on Sept 30, 2010 5:19:26 GMT
Martin, the reason we think that is because she does quite a few concerts there every year, and is at least mentioned in the media every so often. We see her there and not here, and so we assume it's because she is more popular there. If what you say is true, I guess that just means that's where she's being promoted.
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Post by nicola on Sept 30, 2010 7:10:35 GMT
I disagree with this, I just think fans in the US are more active.
I do not think measuring a perceived crossover fanbase by some website and youtube statistics determines anything. Two million people bought 'Pure'. How many people out of them comes on here?
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Post by milewalker on Sept 30, 2010 13:09:23 GMT
Popularity should be viewed as a proportion of the population rather than in raw numbers. The US has 5 times as many people as the UK. If she has the same number of fans, she is 20 percent as popular. If she has twice as many, she is 40 percent as popular.
It is not the number of fans which creates an issue in the US - it is the fact that they are spread so widely throughout a very large area. The problem in the US is low fan density.
She has much greater fan density in the UK - there are for example enough fans in general areas to support a tour. It also means that the same advertising revenue reaches more people.
Jon
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Post by larryhauck on Sept 30, 2010 20:43:31 GMT
Dave, From my observations from my website, Americans are a different kind of fan than to the British fan. They are more enthusiastic, and for lack of a better word, obsessive, than others. They do a lot more, spend a lot more and dedicate a lot of their time on that artist, be it searching, reading or listening. This is particularly true of the older generations. But that's just my observations, nothing scientific in it, but with that in mind, the statistics do not surprise me. Hi Nic, Do you base your opinion on the fact that most of Hayley's fans in the U S , particularly male , are older? You may be on to something there. Also I've noticed certain American artists have almost a cult type following. Especially in country and rock. My reason for following Hayley is that we really haven't had an artist like her here before that I can recall. But I do like many other artists although at this time I am fascinated by the uniqueness of Hayley. Jackie Evancho may change things here and that's a good thing. David Foster is no slouch when it comes to recognizing talent and he said some very nice things about Jakie. Over here they call Foster the Hitman as he has developed and promoted so many music stars. Larryxx |
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Post by martindn on Sept 30, 2010 21:05:35 GMT
Phew! Actually, I said that even when weighted for population, the USA wins out, on hits on my YouTube Channel, and the HWI one too. And I suspect on membership of her official forum.
Yet in Taiwan, she sells out larger stadia than in the UK. Thier population is less than half of ours.
I have a deep belief in Hayley as I'm sure you know. I'm sure that huge numbers of people would love her if only they knew she existed. Yes, some will never understand I know, but given a fair wind there will be enough to make a success of a tour in the US or just about anywhere else. After all, if she can make it in Japan and Taiwan, surely she should do even better in English speaking coutries.
She has something very rare and very precious. There must be others who want to embrace beauty, who value positive and uplifting rather than depressing music. Who prefer love and light to darkness and despair. I have never understood why that isn't everybody.
Martin D
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Post by nicola on Sept 30, 2010 21:26:05 GMT
No, I base it on my observations from running my website, like I said.
Take one look at the Grobanites, and one soon realises that the "obsessive" behaviour is not exclusive to the male population of fans. My biggest, 1000 word hate mail came from a female, as well.
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