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Post by Richard on Jan 26, 2009 9:50:34 GMT
Oh dear, this thread has gone  Sorry Faryl! Richard  |
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Post by Jeff on Jan 26, 2009 10:20:31 GMT
I'm interested to see she's doing the song which proved so popular in an advert for a certain posh supermarket at Xmas "How can I keep from singing." I think the first track on the album has recently been updated to take account of increased carbon emissions. It's now called "A nightingale coughed in Berkeley Square !!"  |
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Post by Richard on Jan 26, 2009 13:45:52 GMT
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Post by postscript on Jan 26, 2009 18:45:36 GMT
Hi Celtic Woman.
I may be coming in halfway through a discussion but I had always wondered from first hearing her as to whether Faryl could be mezzo and had not been aware there had been official acknowledgement of the fact. That somewhat 'opens' the field of otherwise 'regular/inevitable' possibilities in crossover indeed.
Peter S.
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Post by stevemacdonald on Jan 26, 2009 20:37:34 GMT
I'm going to pass, I will not start on a "second generation" of young sopranos. Well put. We've seen enough "teen singing sensations" come and go over the years, and rarely have they contributed anything new or of exquisite value. I like Faryl's voice, but I can tell it's a child singing and that her full musicality probably won't set in for another decade. The "wow" factor simply isn't there this time, and "wow" alone does not ensure a worthy performance. Making Faryl a star before her time could have disastrous results, especially if it induces in her an outsize sense of entitlement and self-importance, never mind the all-too-real likelihood of exploitation. Let's see if she still has that potential after singing her heart out all over the world. Let's see if she still has a voice in five years. |
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Post by socalboy on Jan 26, 2009 22:27:04 GMT
I'm going to pass, I will not start on a "second generation" of young sopranos. Well put. We've seen enough "teen singing sensations" come and go over the years, and rarely have they contributed anything new or of exquisite value. I like Faryl's voice, but I can tell it's a child singing and that her full musicality probably won't set in for another decade. The "wow" factor simply isn't there this time, and "wow" alone does not ensure a worthy performance. Making Faryl a star before her time could have disastrous results, especially if it induces in her an outsize sense of entitlement and self-importance, never mind the all-too-real likelihood of exploitation. Let's see if she still has that potential after singing her heart out all over the world. Let's see if she still has a voice in five years. What would you have her do instead? I ask this in all seriousness. |
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Post by stevemacdonald on Jan 27, 2009 0:27:41 GMT
Well put. We've seen enough "teen singing sensations" come and go over the years, and rarely have they contributed anything new or of exquisite value. I like Faryl's voice, but I can tell it's a child singing and that her full musicality probably won't set in for another decade. The "wow" factor simply isn't there this time, and "wow" alone does not ensure a worthy performance. Making Faryl a star before her time could have disastrous results, especially if it induces in her an outsize sense of entitlement and self-importance, never mind the all-too-real likelihood of exploitation. Let's see if she still has that potential after singing her heart out all over the world. Let's see if she still has a voice in five years. What would you have her do instead? I ask this in all seriousness. I would have her think twice about embarking on a career as a singing sensation. The way to such a career has been mapped out well, thanks to Charlotte and Hayley, and the rewards of success are downright irresistible: world travel, visits with religious leaders and heads of state, trust funds, international fame, etc. What they don't tell you is that much of the excitement will be fleeting and hardly anything else you'll do will equal that brief moment of fun. By age 18 Faryl will be unremarkable because the standards against which she'll be judged will shift dramatically upward. She may have money, but her voice will be much much worse for the wear. Since she was on a popular television talent show the expectations (and demands) will be extremely high that she take her act as far as it will go while she's young and cute. Her handlers will put her through her paces, believe me. |
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Post by dkeeno on Jan 27, 2009 14:48:10 GMT
stevemacdonald, i understand where your pessimistic views of faryls handlers come from but you are wrong. As much as universal are going to plaster our screens this year with adveritsing for faryls album and marketing she is only going to do a very small number of live performances, specifically so she can stay concentrating on ehr studeis rather than a music career. They are cashing in on the album as much as possible until she is old enough to start to appreciate what she has.
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Post by postscript on Jan 27, 2009 15:02:57 GMT
What would you have her do instead? I ask this in all seriousness. I would have her think twice about embarking on a career as a singing sensation. The way to such a career has been mapped out well, thanks to Charlotte and Hayley, and the rewards of success are downright irresistible: world travel, visits with religious leaders and heads of state, trust funds, international fame, etc. What they don't tell you is that much of the excitement will be fleeting and hardly anything else you'll do will equal that brief moment of fun. By age 18 Faryl will be unremarkable because the standards against which she'll be judged will shift dramatically upward. She may have money, but her voice will be much much worse for the wear. Since she was on a popular television talent show the expectations (and demands) will be extremely high that she take her act as far as it will go while she's young and cute. Her handlers will put her through her paces, believe me. I'm not so sure on that, Steve. From what I have seen at a distance, I think she is as level-headed a girl as Hayley BUT she does not yet have Hayley's authoritative command which Hayley showed very early on, but she does have a doting dad and I think her family background is sufficioently savvy as to keep her on the stright and narrow where she needs that support. Having got away from Cowell, I think she'll be okay. Peter S. |
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Post by milewalker on Jan 27, 2009 15:46:01 GMT
I'm not so sure on that, Steve. From what I have seen at a distance, I think she is as level-headed a girl as Hayley BUT she does not yet have Hayley's authoritative command which Hayley showed very early on, but she does have a doting dad and I think her family background is sufficioently savvy as to keep her on the stright and narrow where she needs that support. Having got away from Cowell, I think she'll be okay. Peter S. Hello Peter and all, Given the track record of her predecessors, I think it is pretty likely that Faryl is going to sell half or more of her total career output in the next three years. If Faryl "does not yet have Hayley's authoritive command" (personally I think as 13 year old singers, they are comparable btw) doesnt this suggest that it is her youth itself which is the most marketable point, regardless of the label who happened to sign her? Frankly I think there is also a law of diminishing returns in play here because each new young singer will likely be perceived to be less unique than the one who came before. Assuming the published reports concering the size of her contract are correct, I have to wonder how Universal is going to get a return on that kind of investment without putting a lot of pressure on her almost immediately to sell records. The usual caveat applies - I could be wrong about this. There could easily be someting about Faryl which Universal sees from up close that I dont perceive from a distance. Jon |
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Post by socalboy on Jan 27, 2009 19:51:26 GMT
What would you have her do instead? I ask this in all seriousness. I would have her think twice about embarking on a career as a singing sensation. The way to such a career has been mapped out well, thanks to Charlotte and Hayley, and the rewards of success are downright irresistible: world travel, visits with religious leaders and heads of state, trust funds, international fame, etc. What they don't tell you is that much of the excitement will be fleeting and hardly anything else you'll do will equal that brief moment of fun. By age 18 Faryl will be unremarkable because the standards against which she'll be judged will shift dramatically upward. She may have money, but her voice will be much much worse for the wear. Since she was on a popular television talent show the expectations (and demands) will be extremely high that she take her act as far as it will go while she's young and cute. Her handlers will put her through her paces, believe me. I think much of what you say is true, or at least likely. But what’s the girl to do? You’re telling us what she shouldn’t do. Faryl was born to sing, so what are her alternatives – singing at weddings and bar mitzvahs? Should she slink into a cave and coddle her voice for the next 5 or 6 years in the hope that lightening strikes twice when she grows up? As you point out, by the time she’s 18 she may be just another mezzo, whether she hibernates or not. And if one of her prime selling points is her youth, should she squander that? As I see it, worst case is she has a whirlwind four or five years traveling the globe, doing what she loves, making some good money and meeting people she could never hope to otherwise. And then she disappears into the ether. She’s still way ahead of the game. |
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Post by roger on Jan 27, 2009 20:48:08 GMT
Hi Steve,
Faryl has been fortunate enough to get that lucky break that so many aspiring singers crave. If she turned it down now, she may never get another and would spend the rest of her life regretting what might have been. Good luck to her, I say.
Roger
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Post by stevemacdonald on Jan 27, 2009 22:48:02 GMT
Hi Steve, Faryl has been fortunate enough to get that lucky break that so many aspiring singers crave. If she turned it down now, she may never get another and would spend the rest of her life regretting what might have been. Good luck to her, I say. Roger Hi Roger, That makes perfect sense, especially when you consider Hayley's example, but look what happened to Becky Taylor. She had a sweet enough voice at 12, but it was getting better and better every day. Sadly, she was snapped up too early in the game by a major record label which effectively derailed her career by age 13. If she had waited 'til adulthood to launch herself with a voice that incredible it would've been a different story. I see Faryl peaking too soon and missing out on the long-term singing career that will truly satisfy her throughout her life. |
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Post by roger on Jan 27, 2009 23:35:22 GMT
Hi Steve,
What you say about Becky is perfectly true but her derailment is no reason why Faryl shouldn't have a go. Because 'Britain's Got Talent' was transmitted for many weeks during prime time, Faryl has already had far more exposure than Becky ever did and that is likely to result in a greater level of interest when her album is released.
We both know the reason for Becky's lack of success and it certainly cannot be blamed exclusively on her age at the time. Given some guidance and good promo, I believe Faryl will stand a far greater chance.
Roger
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Post by Natasha on Jan 28, 2009 1:57:23 GMT
Faryl has been fortunate enough to get that lucky break that so many aspiring singers crave. If she turned it down now, she may never get another and would spend the rest of her life regretting what might have been. Good luck to her, I say. Well put!  |
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