Why do YOU love Hayley's Voice

[postscript]

Hi Jon (Milewalker). I think your post 55 a very reasonable overview. It hints at what may have lain behind Kiri's advice to Hayley about keeping a distance from fans--'your job is on the stage and off it you are the private person'. That is my paraphrase but I think it delivers the gist of her message. It is advice Hayley has chosen to seemingly ignore, for the moment.

As I have said in the past, when I was first enthused to meet Hayley at the stage door--the only artiste so far for whom I have been so driven--it was on the basis that 'now or perhaps a little later, never'. Logistically it would become impossible for her.

Whether or not this becomes true either on the basis of numbers around her or on her own constitution to maintain the pressure, only time will prove. In the mean time she is a great artiste for whom to turn up at the theatre. If she has time to be available afterwards one loves that awareness of her presence, but I never get close to her unless I have something worthwhile to say or ask of her. Even then, if there are many new people around her I hold back, knowing I shall be lucky enough to grab another opportunity some time in the future.

As you so rightly emphasise, Jon, she is a passing moment in ours (and many many other people's) lives while she is busy making the most of her own life. We need to see these moments of Hayley joy as light bulbs, that help us along our own tunnel of life, coming to grips with, not avoiding, the dark problems in between.

Peter S.

[Richard]

Hello Peter and everybody!

Please remember that this thread is about Hayley's voice.

Many thanks,

Richard

[comet]

Hi Jon s
Re: your reply no. 25 in this thread. The song Sonny..
I'm fairly Shure the sound like fine sandpapering is what is known as sibilance,
it refers to the sssss sound mostly but you will also hear it on "ce" sound and a "t" sounds.
It is in fact normally an undesirable attribute in a microphone. It is a sound similar to a brushed snare drum, If you turn up your trebble or top end tone controls it will manifest itself as spitting or hissing type of sound. The sound engineer in the studio should have noticed this at the time and taken steps to rectify it.

I'm fairly Shure I read somewhere that one of the things Hayley specifies for before she performs is the microphone she uses. I would imagine she would in fact bring her own microphones to some venues (Because you never know where they have been)
Microphones are a much abused piece of equipment and you are better off having your own than an unfamiliar one. Especially for a voice like Hayley's. A microphone that may test well for the sound technician may behave very differently when Hayley hits a high and powerful note for eight or ten seconds.

So Jon that is my explanation for the sandpapering sound, It is there for Shure.. i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

Some sleeve notes for some albums tell you what microphones were used in the recording process, for those very few who would want to know. For example:
Dzintars - Songs of Amber. The Latvian women's choir. has a complete description of the microphones used and their positions.

comet

[milewalker]

richnorri said:

Hello Peter and everybody!

Please remember that this thread is about Hayley's voice.

Many thanks,

Richard

Hi Richard,

I am as guilty of contributing to topic drift as the next guy - in fact the way my mind works on "connections" I am quite possibly much more of a sinner than sinned against in this regard. Having said this, in this specific case, I dont think this topic is about Hayley's voice per se - but why we love it.

In many cases, a part of the reason we enjoy a singers voice is because we make an emotional connection of some sort with the singer or with the song. If the topic has drifted, it seems to me to be along those lines.

It is your call of course, but I would hesitate to categorize the above discussion as off topic.

Respectfully,
Jon

[Dave]

Hi Jon,

As far as i am concerned, Richard is right. Somewhere on the 4th page the thrust of the discussion drifted off onto why we like Hayley and some other things, with only an occasional passing reference to her voice. Anyone who is unsure about what the subject matter is meant to be needs only to re-read page 1 of this thread for clarification.

Saying "I love Hayley's voice because of everything else about her" for example, is not what was intended, I am sure, when the thread was started!

Cheers, Dave

[milewalker]

Hi Dave,

I yield to better judgment.

Jon

[comet]

Hi Folks.
Having read all the posts in this thread to date I am beginning to realise even I am not sure what was intended when the thread was started i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

I am one dizzy goldfish now or is that an ostrich ?

Whoever said there would probably be at least 150 different reasons is probably right so I would love to hear some more.
Reading of other peoples reasons has helped me see more clearly what a magical thing the human voice is and the effect it can have in different ways on different people depending on the humor they may be in.

BUT we still have not defined what is so special about Hayley's voice that makes it one of your first preferences of choice when you put on a CD.
Out of thousands of wonderful singers worldwide Hayley is the FIRST choice for many of the people on this forum including myself.
Is it something instinctive or subconscious or part of some previous common experience ?
Maybe it would be better not to know......................................

comet

[postscript]

comet said:

Hi Jon s
Re: your reply no. 25 in this thread. The song Sonny..
I'm fairly Shure the sound like fine sandpapering is what is known as sibilance,
it refers to the sssss sound mostly but you will also hear it on "ce" sound and a "t" sounds.
...Microphones are a much abused piece of equipment [agreed] and you are better off having your own than an unfamiliar one. Especially for a voice like Hayley's. A microphone that may test well for the sound technician may behave very differently when Hayley hits a high and powerful note for eight or ten seconds.

So Jon that is my explanation for the sandpapering sound, It is there for Shure [As in the Shure GRAMAPHONE (or turn table) catrridge?] .. i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

Some sleeve notes for some albums tell you what microphones were used in the recording process, for those very few who would want to know. For example:
Dzintars - Songs of Amber. The Latvian women's choir. has a complete description of the microphones used and their positions. [What very useful inforamtion indeed].
comet

This rings bells from yonks (too many yonks) ago when I was much involved in live stage sound recording--on things called Vortexions and Ferrographs with 10½" reels. I'm way out of my depth now, the world has changed so much!

Peter S.

[grant]

comet said:

I am one dizzy goldfish now or is that an ostrich ?

That depends upon whether you are feeling cold, clammy and wet, or whether you have sand in your eyes

This thread has certainly raised some interesting suggestions and comments, even though it is now agreed some were/are off topic

Best wishes
Grant

[comet]

postscript said:

This rings bells from yonks (too many yonks) ago when I was much involved in live stage sound recording--on things called Vortexions and Ferrographs with 10½" reels. I'm way out of my depth now, the world has changed so much!

Peter S.

Ah yes Peter what wonderful toys, I finally graduated to a Revox A 77 Reel to reel my prized recording device. Not exactly portable though.
Shure have also being making microphones since the nineteen thirties but I suppose the market for pick up cartridges was bigger, I have over the years used a lot of M55,
M75, M95 cartridges but I could never afford a V15 which was the top of the range at the time,

Interestingly the M55 was the one BBC used and was considered broadcast quality, I'm Shure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

comet

P.S. I'll figure out this quote thing when I grow up..

[postscript]

All that is missing Comet is the

so it wll show as words and not activate) at the beginning. Notice the /quote] after you quote me?! (With opening bracket removed so it doesn't work for this example but shows in words.

Looking back I guess you weren't involved with computers when everything had to be typed like this [bold][/bold] etc. It still applies if handling web sites which is effectively what you are doing in these dialogue boxes.

Peter S.

[jons]

comet said:

Hi Jon s
Re: your reply no. 25 in this thread. The song Sonny..
I'm fairly Shure the sound like fine sandpapering is what is known as sibilance,
it refers to the sssss sound mostly but you will also hear it on "ce" sound and a "t" sounds.
It is in fact normally an undesirable attribute in a microphone. It is a sound similar to a brushed snare drum, If you turn up your trebble or top end tone controls it will manifest itself as spitting or hissing type of sound. The sound engineer in the studio should have noticed this at the time and taken steps to rectify it.

comet

Hi Comet, if you do indeed have a set of Shure earphones then no doubt you can hear it too (because they get every last ounce of detail out of the music, but they are darned expensive! )

Its not sibilance though Comet, its not when Hayley sings the S's, its in her voice all the way through, listen to the 'goes on' bit as she sings 'silence goes on'. You definitely need headphones or a very revealing music system to hear it.

I was right about 'The Heart Worships', I wonder if Dave can run 'Sonny' it through his music wave pattern thingy?


Thanks Comet for getting it back on topic - this type of phenomena I describe above is what I love about Hayley's voice.

[jons]

grant said:

As for standing up for Hayley, of course we are going to!! This forum almost certainly hosts many of Hayley's most dedicated and loyal supporters and I would hope that if Hayley ever became aware of an item of adverse publicity which upset her, and then found the author of that publicity trashed in these threads, it would at least make her smile and perhaps even give a bit of comfort.

Best wishes
Grant

Thanks Grant!

The post I made about not posting my thoughts about anything 'personal' about Hayley anymore (and when I mean personal I mean the other good things she does) looks a bit sarcastic now come to think of it.(but it wasn't meant to be!) But thats what I thought at the time, thats its better not to praise Hayley to much now because its more trouble than its worth. But I agree with what you say above, thats how she would react - with a smile.

The next post will be on topic! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

[comet]

postscript said:

All that is missing Comet is the

at the beginning. Notice the

after you quote me?!

Looking back, were you involved with computers when everything had to be typed like this [bold][/bold] etc. It still applies if handling web sites which is effectively what you are doing in these dialogue boxes.

Peter S.

Hi Peter.
I thought computers were only good for spare parts until I saw the Windows operating system. I do have a Sinclair ZX (Whom I admired greatly for his inventiveness in many fields) . but until a decent operating system became available I just ignored them.

BUT due to the improvements in sound quality we can now hear Hayley in all her glory, instead of being compressed and reduced to comply with the sound carrier be it vinyl or magnetic tape which had a habit of ghosting to the next layer of tape if left unused for prolonged periods.
I wonder if we would all be such fans of Hayley's if we were still listening through the crackle and hiss of Medium wave radio through valve amplifiers.

I think part of the thrill of Hayley's music is the sheer quality and purity of sound we can now hear from the DVD or CD formats.
I think this makes us older blokes think our hearing is still near perfect
( Which it probably is not, as it deteriorates after about the age of 40 ).

comet

[jons]

Those Shure references are not subliminal advertising then Comet? i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif