Why do YOU love Hayley's Voice

[jons]

roger said:

Yes it is, but only as a last resort. It would be appreciated if all members are mindful of the potential that some comments about Hayley which are of a more personal nature could be misinterpreted and could give out the wrong signal.


Thanks,
Roger

This recent business has made me worry about everything I post, thats why I said I had to pluck up the courage to say how Hayley's voice effected me on a spiritual side. But it seems even trying to explain what Hayley's voice means to you can cause offense. I enjoy posting, but worry about what people think of me. I must be the same for some other people. Trouble is, knowing what the type of person you are is not enough on some forums. For all we know some of us could just be AI bots scouring the net. Who knows?

Rules are rules but posting can be a little frustrating for someone like me who is a little 'eccentric'. Its nobody's fault I suppose, that we live in a world where someone sues you for looking at them the wrong way.

I really hope its ok that I listen to Hayley's music a lot? Thats not going to offend anyone is it?

[postscript]

jons said:

roger said:

Yes it is, but only as a last resort. It would be appreciated if all members are mindful of the potential that some comments about Hayley which are of a more personal nature could be misinterpreted and could give out the wrong signal.

Edited in as promised. Go to Post 30 on the 'NZ Sunday Star Magazine' thread.
Thanks,
Roger

This recent business has made me worry about everything I post, thats why I said I had to pluck up the courage to say how Hayley's voice effected me on a spiritual side. But it seems even trying to explain what Hayley's voice means to you can cause offense. I enjoy posting, but worry about what people think of me. I must be the same for some other people. Trouble is, knowing what the type of person you are is not enough on some forums. For all we know some of us could just be AI bots scouring the net. Who knows?

Rules are rules but posting can be a little frustrating for someone like me who is a little 'eccentric'. Its nobody's fault I suppose, that we live in a world where someone sues you for looking at them the wrong way.

I really hope its ok that I listen to Hayley's music a lot? Thats not going to offend anyone is it?

I think you are perhaps worrying just a little too much, Jon S. You should take Roger's and others' comments on this as weather indicators not as absolutes. The message, I think, is 'beware of inadvertent ambiguities and innuendos'. A classic example is a recent misunderstanding between Dave and Me. If I have the time I'll try and modify this post to give you the references. In this case it is a matter of obvious humour. In another context it could have been unfortunate.

Another aspect has only just dawned on me. One of the points I have made and you wisely use above is 'spiritual' instead of specific religiosity. The former I have always regarded as inoffensive the later dangerously close to evangelism. However, even in that one might seem to be inflammatory to aethiests or agnostics! Just due care is all that is being spotlighted from time to time.

Peter S.

[jons]

Hi Peter,

Thank you so much for that reply.

Yes, it true, I have a problem with rules. I complained before about a post being edited, but it was obvious why it was after you rules were explained, at the time it looked so harsh I believed it was done deliberate to upset me. I have been cautious ever since however. Its not a problem with the innuendo. It does make things a little more boring but its understandable.

I have just found out suffer from a mild form of social phobia(thats the doctors for you, I knew all along) which means I worry from time to time how people see me. And that includes the belief that the mods don't trust me and I think I'm making Roger angry too by pming him too much! I want people to understand me, what my condition is thats all and not jump to conclusions all the time.

[jons]

To keep this thread on-topic I'd like to add that Hayley's voice does have an heavenly voice. But its a truly heavenly voice.

[roger]

jons said:

I think I'm making Roger angry too by pming him too much!

Not a problem Jon. I am here for members to make me ang... er, I mean, to PM me!

Roger

[milewalker]

postscript said:

The message, I think, is 'beware of inadvertent ambiguities and innuendos'.

I agree completely Peter. One should always use ambiguity and innuendo with full intent....

Jon

[petertong]

jons said:

Hi Peter,

Thank you so much for that reply.

Yes, it true, I have a problem with rules. I complained before about a post being edited, but it was obvious why it was after you rules were explained, at the time it looked so harsh I believed it was done deliberate to upset me. I have been cautious ever since however. Its not a problem with the innuendo. It does make things a little more boring but its understandable.

I have just found out suffer from a mild form of social phobia(thats the doctors for you, I knew all along) which means I worry from time to time how people see me. And that includes the belief that the mods don't trust me and I think I'm making Roger angry too by pming him too much! I want people to understand me, what my condition is thats all and not jump to conclusions all the time.

Hi Jon,

Don't do that to me... now you just put the evil thought of spamming Roger with PMs in my mind i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif (notice where I place blame? ). Haha.

Seriously I'd just be yourself. People aren't here because they *have* to be but because we all share enjoyment of an artist.

I know I disagree worldview wise with some of the posts here (and agree with lots and lots), but that doesn't mean I disrespect their points of view - and in the long run does it matter? On the contrary it can be eye opening and rather educational. On the other hand I can't help it that Hayley sings these cool Christian themed songs that seem to appeal to alot of folks here - could it be that is one reason that group has been drawn to Hayley in the first place? And can you blame folks for talking about those songs in their context? Tough one... but that's for someone like Roger to sort out (he gets the hard problems i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif)...

blessings,
Peter (the one that has a Mandarin last name)

[postscript]

jons said:

Hi Peter,

Thank you so much for that reply.

Yes, it true, I have a problem with rules. I complained before about a post being edited, but it was obvious why it was after you rules were explained, at the time it looked so harsh I believed it was done deliberate to upset me. I have been cautious ever since however. Its not a problem with the innuendo. It does make things a little more boring but its understandable.

I have just found out suffer from a mild form of social phobia(thats the doctors for you, I knew all along) which means I worry from time to time how people see me. And that includes the belief that the mods don't trust me and I think I'm making Roger angry too by pming him too much! I want people to understand me, what my condition is thats all and not jump to conclusions all the time.

Well, Jon, just as a helping hand to you, the mantra of one of the two consultant psychiatrists looking after me is, 'take it cool, calm and let things evolve in their own time'. Self-confidence takes awhile to rebuild. Just try and be aware of the mood around you on the different threads and remember we have two ears to hear `twice as much as that which we speak out'! Or, perhaps more aptly hear--'two eyes to read at least as much as our two hands can key in response'!

Peter S.

[comet]

and that Peter is precisely why I love Hayley's voice..

[jons]

postscript said:

Well, Jon, just as a helping hand to you, the mantra of one of the two consultant psychiatrists looking after me is, 'take it cool, calm and let things evolve in their own time'. Self-confidence takes awhile to rebuild. Just try and be aware of the mood around you on the different threads and remember we have two ears to hear `twice as much as that which we speak out'! Or, perhaps more aptly hear--'two eyes to read at least as much as our two hands can key in response'!

Peter S.

One of the things that makes my day is those occasions when I'm in the supermarket - sometimes its happened in a clothes shop - where your huddled around some other people who are getting veg (we demand the best, you can't just pick any old carrots up! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif) or trying a coat on and these other people are having a conversation, its when the conversation is trivial, even funny (somebody might be complaining about something) and look at you and laugh, giving you an indicator to join the conversation even though we are all perfect strangers. Its that little bit of trust that gives hope, because some people would sooner spit at you than speak to you, This is going somewhere: Hayley's voice captures that hope whenever I listen, which is partly due to knowledge of her person (You can trust her, miss 25th!). But I got that feeling of hope when hearing Hayley sing for the first time and no doubt that spiritual side was there all along, even before I heard her sing a hymn.

Someone cheered me up today before I logged on to this forum, some I consider a dear friend with a poem which may have been sad but it makes you realise you are not along in this world when is comes to feelings of sadness and I responded with this realisation:

"I've just been upset over something which didn't turn out to be as bad as I thought, which brings to mind the rare phrase which came from nowhere: 'Without knowledge you have fear, with fear you create your own nightmares'

You just need the knowledge; knowledge of peoples true feelings, knowledge of God, knowledge that everything is so simple in the end. My confusing thoughts have gone for another day."

[milewalker]

Hi Jon

Speaking for myself only, I would be very hesitant to invest that much of myself in anyone - in particular someone I dont know.

In my own, possibly inadequate opinion. you may be investing more of yourself into Hayley than might be wise. I dont think this is fair to Hayley - but more importantly if it were me I wouldnt consider it fair to myself. I have no doubt that Hayley is a nice, considerate and well-spoken young woman because that much at least is evident in her interviews and especially her personal contact with fans. Having said this, some things - like the range of tolerable behavior/music of a person who is nice- are subject to some debate because everyone involved here, including Hayley, all come from different backgrounds. Some of what we perceive as the "Hayleyness of Hayley" may change over time. Some of what we perceive may be packaging and may only last as long as her current contract. Somewhere a line must be drawn between the personal and the public Hayley - and apart from the fairness issue, I simply dont think it is possible to ever know where to draw it.

In the end, I am the only master of my ship - at least that is how I perceive it. I love Hayley's voice. The reason I would just as soon leave it there is that the alternative simply isnt fair to her. If I were to make this sort of psychological investment in her, doesnt that imply that everyone else has the right to do the same thing?

P.S. I may have given the impression that I am an agnostic. This may not be the case. I used to be one - now I just dont know I do have a friend who is an atheist - the last time we got together we rented the movie "'Zilla".....

I am not in any case offended by the expression of religious views by others - it is the projection of them onto Hayley because she sings a hymn from time to time which concerns me.

Jon - who probably puts the psycho in Psychology himself

[jons]

milewalker said:

Some of what we perceive as the "Hayleyness of Hayley" may change over time. Some of what we perceive may be packaging and may only last as long as her current contract. Somewhere a line must be drawn between the personal and the public Hayley - and apart from the fairness issue, I simply dont think it is possible to ever know where to draw it.

The Hayley tribute I made was what I felt in my heart. But what you say here is spot on, Jon. I know theres a lot of people on here who do put their faith in Hayley as if shes a friend even though they have happy enough lives and people who care about them they still see whats special in Hayley (I'm am right, everybody aren't I?). I have actually fretted about Hayley turning out not to be the person we think she is, I thought that some of it might be packaging, but there does seem to be evidence to support Hayley being a good person (She has just bee voted 25th most trusted person). I sensed Hayley was a special person the first time I discovered her. The fact that she inadvertently helped me through a hard time does mean I'm grateful to her. I do OD on 'Hayleyhol' (a new word! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif) a bit it is true, and I'm not sure what Hayley would say if she heard us speaking about how she brings us closer to God(Zilla i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif) or that she sometimes appears in our dreams. If your empathic you could believe she wouldn't mind hearing about that and probably have a giggle (in a nice way of course) at some of the things we say. (In theory that should be correct).

However, I look back at that 'no criticism of Hayley' post I made and realise how daft it was. Sticking up for someone you don't really know is pointless. After hearing Hayley's new message it does appear she might read this forum more than I thought she did. She probably read that post of mine, where I'm trying to make that guy who said all those horrible thing look a fool, and could of easily have been thinking 'What is that idiot Jon S going on about now?' That must be the SP.

I think early on I invested a lot into Hayley and got a bit carried away, but I have decided to take my own advice which is the same advice which you have given here Jon and that is to concentrate on Hayley's talents (And not just her voice, I can't wait to see her acting skills) which I in fact have been concentrating on generally and put aside the vocal protection of her when someone as a go, and also fretting about her quick changes of opinion etc. We shouldn't worry about people thinking we are obsessive because we are not. A couple of hours on the computer, whether at work or at home, we check this forum, make a few posts. A lot of you go to Hayley's concert all the time.

I am now going to refrain from Hayley debate (Hayleybate? Another new word?) and praising of her person (But I'm darn well going to keep praising her voice! You can't tell not to do that! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif)

[grant]

It seems to me that there are two schools of thought here. One on the pessimistic side, not getting too involved and on the other, the optimist jumping in with both feet, I'm with Jon S here and don't mind admitting it.

I love Hayley's voice, but I also love what she stands for and feel better for it whether it be a God given gift or just a very genuine nature.

I think, Jon (the other) is being a little harsh to suggest that "it may only be packaging for the duration of a contract" for it to be that, preparations would need to have begun many years before any contract was ever percieved. And no, I don't think that is being optimistic.

There are many people on this forum who have met Hayley many times; we have many TV and radio interviews on record as testament to the sort of person Hayley is. Yes, sure she is going to change over time, but we're noticing changes all the time.

As for standing up for Hayley, of course we are going to!! This forum almost certainly hosts many of Hayley's most dedicated and loyal supporters and I would hope that if Hayley ever became aware of an item of adverse publicity which upset her, and then found the author of that publicity trashed in these threads, it would at least make her smile and perhaps even give a bit of comfort.

Best wishes
Grant

Edit: Sorry folks; lost track of time last night and had to run for a bus so I've completed my thoughts on this thread just now!

[milewalker]

Hi Grant,

If you are going to paraphase me, please dont take it amiss if I insist you get the content right

That isnt exactly what I said Grant. The key thing that you missed in your paraphase is the qualifier, "some" - which I might add I put into italics to avoid this very misconception.

I am not trying to take an extreme position at all here - I simply dont perceive the world in terms of black and white.

Jon

[grant]

milewalker said:

Hi Grant,

If you are going to paraphase me, please dont take it amiss if I insist you get the content right

That isnt exactly what I said Grant. The key thing that you missed in your paraphase is the qualifier, "some" - which I might add I put into italics to avoid this very misconception.

I am not trying to take an extreme position at all here - I simply dont perceive the world in terms of black and white.

Jon

Noted Jon - my apologies.

Best wishes
Grant