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Post by grant on Nov 19, 2007 11:46:37 GMT
"The first, slow movement of Heitor Villa-Lobos's Bachianas Brasileiras No. 5 (1938) features a soprano aria over a cello ensemble, which evolves into an extended vocalise that floats over a pizzicato accompaniment." That's an excellent description Graeme. Just wish I understood it!
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Post by Nordly on Nov 19, 2007 12:49:25 GMT
Lascia Ch'io PIanga is an aria but it has words, so Graeme is right!(I think)
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Post by stevemacdonald on Nov 19, 2007 16:10:07 GMT
I don't think there are any words to Bachianas Brasileiras, it's an Aria!! Best wishes Grant I believe the words to Bachianas Brasileiras were posted here.
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Post by grant on Nov 19, 2007 18:56:34 GMT
Hi Steve
Thank you for posting the words. I gather these are from the middle section, thus Hayley only sang the first and last parts that don't have words?
I didn't realise that, but now agree with you Dave. I wish Hayley had sung the whole piece too! Has anyone ever given any indication why she didn't?
Best wishes Grant
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Post by Dave on Nov 19, 2007 21:36:49 GMT
Hi Grant and Steve, Yes Hayley's version of this aria omits the entire middle section and, therefore, loses all the words. I am familiar with the complete aria, including Sissel's version which I have. The middle section is very different from the main theme before and after it and would, I think, have been considered too "heavy" - too "classical" - for some Hayley fans. Personally, I like the middle section but I am more classically inclined than most. It may well have been left out for similar reasons to why they eventually dropped Dido's Lament from the Odyssey re-release. I think it's just a question of what Hayley and her advisors thought would appeal (or not) to the majority of her fans and especially, the casual classical crossover listener. Cheers, Dave
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Post by martindn on Nov 19, 2007 21:48:57 GMT
Right, back on topic - my copy of Prayer arrived today (from Japan). I plan to go and play it in a few minutes. I was planning to save it for our trip to the Lake District on Thursday, but I don't think I can wait that long. Also, since I have to drive, I might be distracted.
Martin
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Post by graemek on Nov 19, 2007 22:24:00 GMT
Hi Everybody, Phew...we've been everywhere now. This was my original point: "Bachianas Brazilieras is an Aria because its sung by a solo voice, but it is a vocalisation because it is sung devoid of words." ie an aria & a vocalisation are different things. And Steve & Dave, I had no idea that Bras. Bach. had lyrics which Hayley omitted deliberately. But what she did was vocalisation. Graeme PS Martind....enjoy your trip to the beautiful Lake District. Just make sure that your dead stops on the motorway, in order to listen more carefully to "that voice", are kept to a minimum.
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Post by Dave on Nov 20, 2007 0:36:49 GMT
Hi Graeme (and everyone), yes indeed...and of course, we need to stop now. Back to "Prayer" - quick, before Richard notices how far we drifted off course! Cheers, Dave
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Post by grant on Nov 20, 2007 0:46:03 GMT
Hi Grant and Steve, Yes Hayley's version of this aria omits the entire middle section and, therefore, loses all the words. I am familiar with the complete aria, including Sissel's version which I have. The middle section is very different from the main theme before and after it and would, I think, have been considered too "heavy" - too "classical" - for some Hayley fans. Personally, I like the middle section but I am more classically inclined than most. It may well have been left out for similar reasons to why they eventually dropped Dido's Lament from the Odyssey re-release. I think it's just a question of what Hayley and her advisors thought would appeal (or not) to the majority of her fans and especially, the casual classical crossover listener. Cheers, Dave Thanks Dave, that's an interesting insight. For what it's worth, I really like Dido's Lament!! Best wishes Grant
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Post by Joe on Nov 20, 2007 2:46:20 GMT
Yay I just had shopping spree over at amazon.co.uk. Hi all, My extravagence in buying several Hayley items (including Prayer) resulted in a phone call from my bank's credit department. He rang me to confirm the amount. I must say that it's not the easiest buying items in Pounds Sterling...we Americans mustn't forget to double the price for its Dollar equivalent! Joe
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Post by martindn on Nov 20, 2007 20:36:13 GMT
Right, I did listen to Prayer last night, and whilst not wishing to upstage the other reviews on this thread, I will post my first impressions. Firstly, although half of the songs (7 of the 14) are on other CDs I already own, this CD has a rather different feel, so much so that I found myself wondering whether they were new recordings of the familiar songs. A careful read of the cover notes convinced me that they are not. However Hayley's voice sounds more powerful here than I remember on the four songs taken from Odyssey, particularly Wiegenlied. Odyssey, remember, is the album where Hayley was outpowered in her duet with Andrea Bocelli. I don't think that would happen now! For Hayley fans, I guess it is almost a "best of" her more recent releases. Four good songs from Odyssey, one from Treasure and a highlight fro each of Celtic Woman's "A New Journey" and the new West Side Story. But perhaps it is the power f the "new" songs that gives an overall more powerful impression. Listen to the Wind is particularly powerful, a James Horner song somewhat reminiscent of the Titanic theme,and Hayley belts it out almost like Celine Dion. I thoroughly enjoyed that. The Debbie Wiseman tracks have heavy orchestral backings, very much different from the more subdued orchestration of most of Odyssey and Treasure. Bu Hayley copes well, and all of the new songs are enjoyable, as you might expect. "There's a Sparkle in your Eyes" is a bit of a shock, or it was to me, since the first voice you hear is not Hayley's but that of Helmut Lotti. He sounds a bit like a country singer of the Burl Ives/Jim Reeves ilk, not my favorite sort of music, and you wonder how Hayley will fit into it. But don't fear, she does.
This album is certainly different. For one thing, although Hayley is marketed as a classical singer in the UK, this album is not remotely classical. If that's the Hayley you prefer, you might be disappointed. Hayley's other international CDs have all reached no. 1 in the Classic FM chart, but if this one was released over here, I doubt they would regard it as eligible.
Overall, I enjoyed listening to it, and would recommend it. It shows off some aspects of Hayley's huge talent that you don't see elsewhere, so it is a bit of an eye opener. It was worth the cost of shipping from Japan, and worth the wait!
Martin
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Post by meldy on Nov 20, 2007 20:57:50 GMT
Wow! I always wanted "Listen to the Wind" to be on one of her albums! Lucky Japan! Meldy
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Post by Nordly on Nov 20, 2007 21:27:03 GMT
Makes me want Prayer even more!
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Post by martindn on Nov 20, 2007 22:09:46 GMT
I have now added Prayer to Hayley's discography on the "Rate your music" website. I think at the moment only I can access it, but hopefully in a couple of days they will have approved it and then you can all add your ratings and reviews. I noted that Treasure has no reviews on there either.
Martin
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Post by 1littlegirl on Nov 21, 2007 17:44:36 GMT
Yay! My copy of Prayer arrived today. It took two weeks to get here (I ordered from CDJapan). I was very pleased with the price too. It is awesome because it fills in so many gaps...There are 6 songs on it that I did not previously own.
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