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Post by roger on Jul 18, 2005 20:00:27 GMT
Hi Keith, I wasn't going to mention that but as you have, I fail to see how losing one's..... um.... integrity has any effect on the voice. Medical explanations if you dare, please! Thanks..... I think! Roger |
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Post by HWI on Jul 18, 2005 22:01:31 GMT
Simple Roger,
Before puberty, if there is a surgical removal, boys cannot go through puberty, so the voice never breaks.
The effect is that the larynx is not fully transformed because of not entering puberty
The vocal categories for female and male are as follows:
Female ranges
Soprano
Mezzo-soprano
Contralto
Male Ranges
Sopranist
Countertenor
Alto
Tenor
Baritenor
Baritone
Bass-baritone
Bass
Keith.
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Post by roger on Jul 18, 2005 23:20:43 GMT
I understood that up as far as "Simple Roger" but thanks for trying! What happened to basso profundo or has that category been abolished since we joined the EU or something? Even discounting the possibility of that one, it seems there are three female vocal ranges and EIGHT male. We won!  Simple Roger (apparently!) |
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Post by stephch on Jul 19, 2005 0:08:40 GMT
now with the male range's 3 of those are unnatrual well I think they are .for male's the highest I can listen too is tenor as at least they do not sound like felmale's.
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Post by HWI on Jul 19, 2005 13:56:00 GMT
There are male singers with vocal ranges above tenor as a natural talent. These are, however, very few indeed. Their real value is in offering a new dimension to the sound of a group or choir. Apart from that, they do give a rather unusual feeling when you hear them in a solo part.
The reason that the castrato came into existence was that women were not permitted to sing (or perform) in public. So, when a high voice was needed, enter the castrato. It is interesting to note that less than 1% of them made any real success out of a career in singing. Those who did were made for life. as were their families. They were promised great riches if they agreed to the necessary procedure, and part of the enticement was that their entire family would be looked after as well. So, the decision was made by the boy whether or not he wanted to join their ranks.
It is thought that Justin Timberlake is a modern-day example of a countertenor (natural). So, yes, they do exist.
Various vocal categories are subdivided still further. For instance, the countertenor is subdivided into five sub-categories:
hautcontre (basically French for countertenor)
altino (considered the true countertenor)
sopranist
baritonic
falsettist
Basso profundo is the lowest register of the male category - bass.
Keith.
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Post by HWI on Jul 19, 2005 14:13:37 GMT
For those interested, the female soprano has four subdivisions which are more related to the type of operatic role and are categorised on the German Fach system. They are (Including example roles):
Leggero (or soubrette)
Adele (Die Fledermaus)
Ännchen (Der Freischütz)
Despina (Così fan tutte)
Marzellina (Fidelio)
Musetta (La bohème)
Nannetta (Falstaff)
Susanna (Le Nozze di Figaro)
Zerlina (Don Giovanni)
Lyric Coloratura
Blondchen (Die Entführung aus dem Serail)
Gilda (Rigoletto)
Norina (Don Pasquale)
Olympia (Les contes d'Hoffmann)
Rosina (Il Barbiere de Sevilla)
Sofie (Der Rosenkavalier)
Zerbinette (Ariadne auf Naxos)
Lauretta (Gianni Schicchi)
Oskar (Un Ballo in Maschera)
Adina (L'Elisir d'Amore)
Lakmé (Lakmé)
Amina (La Sonnambula)
Ophèlie (Hamlet)
Elvira (I Puritani)
Dramatic Coloratura
Konstanza (Die Entführung aus dem Serail)
Fiordiligi (Così fan tutte)
Königin (Die Zauberflöte)
Rosalinda (Die Fledermaus)
Violetta (La Traviata)
Donna Anna (Don Giovanni)
Lucia (Lucia di Lammermoor)
Marguerite (Faust)
Lady Macbeth (Macbeth)
Anne (The Rake's Progress)
Full Lyric Soprano
Contessa (Figaro)
Mimi (La bohème)
Pamina (Die Zauberflöte)
Micaëla (Carmen)
Liù (Turandot)
Nedda (I Pagliacci)
Spinto Soprano
Agathe (Der Freischütz)
Donna Elvira (Don Giovanni)
Elsa (Lohengrin)
Desdemona (Othello)
Leonora (Il Trovatore)
Tatajana (Eugene Onegin)
Rezia (Oberon)
Elizabeth (Tannhäuser)
The Marschellin (Der Rosenkavalier)
Elisabetta (Don Carlos)
Dramatic soprano
Aida (Aida)
Leonore (Fidelio)
Leonora (La Forza del Destino)
Tosca (Tosca)
Sieglinde (Die Walküre)
Ariadne (Ariadne auf Naxos)
Santuzza (Cavalleria Rusticana)
Butterfly (Madama Butterfly)
Amelia (Un Ballo in Maschera)
Norma (Norma)
Kundry (Parsifal)
Wagnerian soprano
Senta (Der fliegende Holländer)
Elektra (Elektra)
Brünnhilde (Die Walküre, Götterdämmerung, Siegfried)
Isolde (Tristan und Isolde)
Turandot (Turandot)
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Post by kcuteus1 on Jul 19, 2005 14:41:53 GMT
I think I can add some. But I think thease are not in the German Fach system. there is also Lyric soprano spinto soprano here is something I found some of you may find interreasting. members.aol.com/chaspen/vocal.html |
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Post by Richard on Jul 19, 2005 16:24:39 GMT
Hello eveybody! I like female singers who sound feminine, like Hayley. I've never been keen on male singers in general, but I certainly don't like men with high voices because they sound so unnatural!  Some of the recent posts in this thread have made my eyes water, so I won't be looking for a snip in the summer sales!!! Best Wishes from London, Richard  |
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Post by gareth on Jul 19, 2005 22:11:37 GMT
Hello eveybody! I like female singers who sound feminine, like Hayley. I've never been keen on male singers in general, but I certainly don't like men with high voices because they sound so unnatural! Hmmm, Richard, How about Aled Jones when he was young and his voice hadn't broken yet? He had a real high voice then - and he sounded sensational. Then again, at that time he was a boy, not a man - so perhaps it isn't a very good example ... Gerrit |
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Post by Richard on Jul 20, 2005 8:01:12 GMT
Hello Gerrit! I remember when Aled Jones was a boy soprano, and I thought he sounded like a typical choirboy, so he had no appeal for me. Now his voice has broken he has a very distinctive sound that I quite like, and I bought his Christmas album last year for the beautiful duet of "Silent Night" with Hayley. So far I haven't listened to all the other tracks, but I probably will when Christmas is approaching in five months time.  Bye for now, Richard |
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Post by nicola on Jul 20, 2005 14:40:17 GMT
Aled Jones has no overwhelming talent as a vocalist, for some reason I have all his cds trying to like him - but any songs I liked I prefered others doing. You Raise Me Up -Russell Watson (or Josh Groban for that matter). Vespera is a beautiful song he did with Libera, but they did that song without him too, and I prefer that version. Aled Jones is named a Baritone by the way. A joke if you ask me, he doesn't sing anything classical.
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Post by HWI on Jul 20, 2005 17:33:25 GMT
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Post by stephch on Jul 20, 2005 17:50:17 GMT
nicola,there is one thing I have to agree with about Aled Jone's is that Russell Watson's YRMU is better then his .But I think aled Jone's has a very pleaseing and nice voice.
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Post by gareth on Jul 20, 2005 19:22:32 GMT
Hmmmm, Some of you will recognise this voice without a doubt - some of you probably won't. I'm sharing this one with you, simply because I think it is spine tingling. If you aren't sure try and identify the singer - and also, try and identify the song and composer. I don't think it is a very common song .... www.classicalrelatedperformances.com/misc/mystery.mp3Gerrit |
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Post by roger on Jul 20, 2005 21:38:55 GMT
Hi Gerrit,
Yes, I certainly know that voice bit I will leave it for others to have a go.
As for the song and the composer, I haven't got a clue. I don't believe I have ever heard it before. It sounds good though.
Roger
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