Odyssey: Guess the UK Tracklisting!

[roger]

The discussion certainly has drifted off topic during recent posts just as discussion in everyday life tend to do. The original topic had developed towards thoughts of publicity for Odyssey in comparison with that for Pure. Not unnaturally, the subject of television appearances that Hayley made since the release of Pure was raised.

I'm sorry that we missed the Chatsworth House appearance but we're only human after all.

Roger

[Dave]

roger said:

The discussion certainly has drifted off topic during recent posts...
I'm sorry that we missed the Chatsworth House appearance...
Roger

Well actually, it hasn't... well not really. And 'we' didnt! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

Gerrit, I thought Kimberly raised a valid point challenging the need and/or advisability of having a UK "classical charts" version of Pure at all. I know this has been raised before in other threads but I don't see why it shouldn't be discussed again, in a thread about the UK tracklisting and what Decca should or shouldn't do with it. It is, in my opinion, crucial for Hayley her advisors and Record Company to get this right so it's natural for people to want to discuss not only the actual UK tracklisting but the reasons for it, too.

Keith and I tried to explain why we think a UK classical chart version is necessary, or at least why we think Hayley wants it. Some of us went on to compare the Pure launch and the Odyssey launch in the UK, the airplay situation and the potential differences in exposure and TV promotional appearances. To help the comparison, Roger started a list of what he could remember from November 2003 onwards and I added to the list, thinking we might be shocked at the amount of TV promo Pure actually got. And, I am shocked! We can also now make a direct comparison between what happened with Pure and what eventually happens with Odyssey.

All of the above is important as the point made (by me anyway) is that Hayley is unlikely to get anywhere near the TV/radio/press exposure that she had last time, and that Decca are unlikely to spend as much on advertising this time round. Therefore, airplay could be crucial to the success or failure of Odyssey - relative to Pure. Which leads us directly back to the need (or otherwise) for a UK classical charts version of Odyssey to ensure airplay on... Classic FM. And... if they do such a version, to what the tracklist may be!

As we start to find out just what TV etc., promotional appearances Hayley is able to make - and what airplay she gets, we can compare it with that list of 2003 appearances and it will help to decide the rights and wrongs of releasing the UK classical version - whatever it ends up as. I really don't think there is any need to separate these two related issues into different threads. But, I'm quite certain that before too long, the actual tracklist guessing will resume!

As for Chatsworth, well that took place on BBC Breakfast of October 23rd 2003, which I listed i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

Cheers, Dave

[kcuteus1]

dave said:

I do take Kimberly's point though, that in general it is not a good idea to change album tracklistings significantly from Country to Country - especially chopping and changing at the last minute as is happening here.

Yes that is what I am trying to say and I think that in someways it can make it like she cares more a the sales in the UK and the people and stuff like I think the cd could have more songs why not have most places have the same cd.


But here is what I think the Uk tracklist would be.

Prayer But I think it could have a little different arrament.
Never Saw Blue
Dell'Amore Non Si Sa
Ave Maria
Wiegenlied
Both Sides Now
What You Never Know (Won't Hurt You)
O Mio Babbino Caro
May It Be with maybe alittle more of a classical arrament
Quanta Qualia
Bachianas Brasilieras
Laudate Dominum
She Moves Through The Fair
I Say Grace
Dido's Lament

[Richard]

Hello again everybody!

I'm a bit late joining in this discussion, but I'm getting quite excited about the UK version now. I'm going to listen to Classic FM more from now on, because I can't wait to hear Hayley sing "Laudate Dominum".

It looks as though several tracks on the Australian version of "Odyssey" will be dropped, so I'm glad I found it last Monday! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

Bye for now,

Richard

[roger]

Hi Kimberly,

I hope your tracklisting is correct for it looks to be a really good selection. And I would be delighted if it has as many as 15 tracks.

We will soon know!

Roger

[kcuteus1]

I hope I am right to. I think it would be nice the cd having 15 songs.

[Belinda]

Hi ,Roger you hope you will soon know

[Dave]

kcuteus1 said:

I hope I am right to. I think it would be nice the cd having 15 songs.

Well the Japanese version has 15 songs so I think the UK one should, too.

In 2003, two of the best tracks were dropped from the UK version of Pure (My Heart and I, Across the Universe of Time) and two very similar versions of the same song were put on (Hine e Hine). So, it would be fair if the UK version had some extra tracks on it this time to even things up!

If there are 15 tracks on the UK version, nine will have to be "classical" to qualify it for the classical charts. I wonder if they will repeat the "Hine e Hine" trick? Two versions of May it Be would be great - so would two versions of Wiegenlied! I think including Bridal Ballad as a "classical" bonus track would also be OK.

I think they will drop She Moves Through the Fair and I Say Grace but I hope they can include My Heart Belongs to You as I think it is more likely to get mainstream radio airplay than the other two.

[kcuteus1]

Across the Universe of Time of time was not on the NZ cd that song was reconded after it was release. It was reconded for the US cd well I think it was . they sould be more into the new songs that are going to be on it than droping and I do not see why she moves thogh the fair can not be looks at classical with CC it was. I think they sould take off the songs that do nothing for the cd . I hope they are not the ones you say . The song with Ab I thing sould be caned.

[roger]

Sorry Kimberly but Across the Universe of Time was on the New Zealand version of Pure - both the original and the re-release.

Roger

[kcuteus1]

Than what was the song that was reconded in end of 2003 on the US release.

[roger]

Hi Kimberly,

I have the US release in front of me and there is no track on there that wasn't on one or more of the other versions. The only significant difference is that it includes a different version of 'Wuthering Heights'. Whether it was a new recording or just re-mixed I cannot recall. Can anyone put me right on that, please?

Roger

[Dave]

roger said:

Hi Kimberly,

I have the US release in front of me and there is no track on there that wasn't on one or more of the other versions. The only significant difference is that it includes a different version of 'Wuthering Heights'. Whether it was a new recording or just re-mixed I cannot recall. Can anyone put me right on that, please?
Roger

Yes Roger, that's the one! It's a new version of Wuthering Heights - the same version I think that was going to be released on the defunct UK single and probably the one on the Japan single.

[roger]

Thanks for confirming that, Dave. In fact, I believe it is a better version of 'Wuthering Heights' and, for that reason, it is usually the US release of Pure that I play. I could never understand why they reverted to the original version of it for the German release!

Returning to your point about the Hine e Hine trick, suppose they were to include two versions of 'Wiegenlied' on Odyssey. As we know, Hayley has already recorded it in German and Japanese. Would that count as two versions?

Steve told me at Kenwood House that the orchestral ending of 'May It Be' would be dropped for Odyssey but didn't explain why!

I agree that 'My Heart Belongs to You' is the most likely track to receive mainstream airplay and it is certainly one of my favourites from the whole album.

Roger

[Dave]

Hi Roger, yes I think two versions of Wiegenlied would count as two classical tracks so they may well include a fast and slow version on there. Perhaps they'll include all three... plus two versions of May it Be!

Steve told me the big orchestral ending on May It Be spoiled the flow of the album, so they dropped it. I don't think they wanted to shock people as they did in the middle of "Benedictus" on Pure They may yet have to bring it back! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

Cheers, Dave