Odyssey: Guess the UK Tracklisting!

[roger]

Hi Dave,

I am not aware that Hayley received any airplay on Radio 2 at that time but I don't often listen to that station so I cannot be sure. I know she has had quite a bit of airplay on local radio stations, such as BBC Southern Counties Radio (which covers Sussex, Surrey and northeast Hampshire) but I doubt if that began until early 2004.

Roger

[HWI]

As I understand it, the cost of promotion of Pure in the UK alone was £6,000,000. Not that this would worry Decca too much because they can recover that cost from Hayley. Or, at least, a very substantial proportion of it.

Keith.

[Dave]

Thanks Roger, it could explain why I didn't hear about Hayley for so long if she wasn't being played much on the mainstream radio stations I was listening to at the time.

To put the risks for Hayley in perspective, I've just looked up the actual sales of Russell Watson and Andrea Bocelli's last UK album releases in 2004. Neither of these qualified for the UK Classical Chart and the 2004 sales were:

Russell Watson - "Amore Musica" - 140,000 sold.

Andrea Bocelli - "Andrea" - 97,000 sold.

Hayley sold 578,000 copies of "Pure" in 2003 in the UK but if she only sold 140,000 copies of "Odyssey" here, it would be a disaster. I don't think she can afford to take that risk, not this time round anyway.

Keith, yes Decca can recover it from Hayley but only if she herself makes over £6,000,000 She will, of course, but I can see why she might be nervous about it!! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

[emmettb]

Hi All,

I'm thinking if they end up releasing 'Odyssey' into the main pop charts they will have to then increase the TV promotions/appearances more than what they done for 'Pure'. I think these appearances usually cause a spike in sales just like after concert appearances.

I wonder was there much TV promotion work done back when 'Pure' was released. I would guess most was done for adverts rather than tv programmes. Also many programmes might have featured Hayley due to how well it done in the charts and also with her young age. It could end up being different this time around.

Classic Fm must have been a big factotr in the sales of 'Pure' because I never recall seeing anything about Hayley on tv back then, and we get all the UK TV channels here and I watch a good bit of tv. I only found discovered her in November 2004.

With Katherine Jenkins, I think all her tv appearances have contributed largley to the sales of her album's but I suppose she will always be in the classical charts.


Emmett

[Dave]

emmettb said:

Hi All,
With Katherine Jenkins, I think all her tv appearances have contributed largley to the sales of her album's but I suppose she will always be in the classical charts.

Even Katherine Jenkins only sold 244,000 copies of "Second Nature" in 2004 (although it could be up around 300,000 by now) and look at all the publicity she has had in the UK (and Ireland?). I think that shows us how amazingly well "Pure" did and how massive is the task ahead for "Odyssey" if it's going to get anywhere near the sales of "Pure". All together now... cross fingers and toes!

[emmettb]

Hi Dave,

Yes, I think all the elements have to be right to have a very successfull album, but I do think there is a bit of luck involved too.

I wonder would Decca view lower sales figures of 'Odyssey' over 'Pure' a disaster or would they settle for it. Also I think the US market is going to be a very important factor too. If sales are lower in the UK, they could make up a shortfall with increased sales in the US where Hayley has yet to peak.

Also with 'Odyssey' how many more albums are left in the contract with Decca.


Emmett

[kcuteus1]

I understand the resans but making alot of changes is not a good idea. If she whated it on the classical chart she should of picks songs that she knew would of made it on it. Well that is how I feel she is not a ture classical singer and sales are not every thing how your tours sale is more important as that you make more money that why And with decca because it is a classical label they look at sales in a different why and the UK is not the only place that she does very well in and how do they know that pleople in other place would not want the classical song she should of just only did one cd Way have differnt ones it is ok small changes but big change that makes a cd different. It makes it like it is not the same cd . I think it sould be more about the art than sales. I think she should be more into the art than sales and I think all labels should be like that. With both prue and ocyssey some stuff could of been better with the prodution and stuff I do not know make about that stuff but I can tell when some stuff sounds odd.

[kcuteus1]

With Katherine Jenkins it could be that she is more classical and she did not start getting all the stuff into Novber late year her new cd is mostly to do better than second nature the fact of wheather hayley is on the classical chart or not is not the only thing she has to look at. Katherine is getting alot of new fans and soem of the people do not have a cd of hers right now.

[roger]

emmettb said:

I wonder was there much TV promotion work done back when 'Pure' was released. I would guess most was done for adverts rather than tv programmes. Also many programmes might have featured Hayley due to how well it done in the charts and also with her young age. It could end up being different this time around.

Emmett

Hi Emmett and everyone,

That is an interesting question which I will pick up on if I may. I don't think there was much in the way of TV advertising at the time of Pure's release because I would have seen it if there was and I was unaware of Hayley's existance until 10th October 2003 (about a month later). However, there was one advert which was aired quite frequently in the run-up to Christmas.

As for her TV appearances from that time until now (UK main terrestrial channels only), the list is as follows:

8 Nov 2003 Festival of Remembrance
Royal Albert Hall, London
'Tonight We'll Light A Candle' (to the tune of Pokarekare Ana)
Hayley led the audience in 'The Day Thou Gavest'

26 Nov 2003 Royal Variety Performance
Edinburgh
'Pokarekare Ana/Amazing Grace Medley'

8 Dec 2003 Frank Skinner Show
Interview and 'No Matter What' in duet (?) with the host!

24 Dec 2003 Holy Eucharist from Manchester Cathedral
'Away In A Manger' and 'Silent Night'

25 Dec 2003 Parkinson
'Hine e Hine'

4 Jan 2004 Songs of Praise
'Heaven'

7 Mar 2004 My Favourite Hymns
'Silent Night' and 'Amazing Grace'

23 Mar 2004 CBBC programme, Xchange
'Wuthering Heights'

27 Mar 2004 Wales v Italy rugby final
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
Duet with Katherine Jenkins

29 Mar 2004 ITV Regional News Feature (London area) entitled "Teenager takes the classical world by storm"
Interview and feature with Hayley and all the Westenra family.

2 May 2004 Song of Praise
'Heaven' (Repeat of the programme on 4 Jan 04)

30 May 2004 Classical Brit Awards
Royal Albert Hall, London
'Pokarekare Ana'

19 Nov 2004 BBC Children In Need
'Pokarekare Ana' (duet with Russell Watson).

24 Nov 2004 Des & Mel
Interview and 'Mary Did You Know?'

11 Dec 2004 Christmas Mania (hosted by Donny Osmond)
'Silent Night'

12 Dec 2004 Song of Praise
Short interview
'Mary Did You Know'
'Silent Night' (duet with Aled Jones)

21 May 2005 FA Cup Final
'Abide With Me' (duet with Katherine Jenkins)

If anyone knows of any others, please feel free to add them. I have a feeling I have missed an appearance on Blue Peter?

Each of those appearances no doubt helped sales figures to some degree but, as has been recognised, the various tracks played on Classic FM must surely have been by far the biggest single reason for her rapid success in the UK. When Pure was at its height, you could virtually guarantee hearing Hayley three or four times a week on that station alone.

Roger

[kcuteus1]

I think with odyssey she would not do as much tv stuff as that it is not her frist cd but she sure do some and she is played on Radio2 something I know she is going to be interviewed on The sunday morning show .

[emmettb]

Hi Roger,

Thanks for that list, especially the ones from pre November 2004, I only can recall the ones since then.

I remember prior to Xmas 2004 there was an ad for the Special Edition of 'Pure' being played. I caught this a few times and was usually on ITV in the morning around the time of GMTV.

Seems like the main factor in sales will be Classic Fm.


Here are a few others I remember:-

November 20th 2004 - Wales VS. NZ Rugby Match, BBC

February 2005 - BBC Breakfast Interview regarding Classicalive


Emmett

[emmettb]

kcuteus1 said:

I think with odyssey she would not do as much tv stuff as that it is not her frist cd but she sure do some and she is played on Radio2 something I know she is going to be interviewed on The sunday morning show .

Hi Kimberly,

Do you know when this is going to happen??

All I could find was that 'Amazing Grace' was on the playlist for Good Morning Sunday on BBC Radio 2 on August 14th.


Emmett

[roger]

emmettb said:

Seems like the main factor in sales will be Classic Fm.

Emmett

Quite so, I suspect. That is why it is so crucial to ensure it is eligible for the classical album charts. As has been mentioned before, that is not the case in New Zealand where she is bound to sell well no matter what tracks are included, or in America where they have a crossover chart.

Thanks for the additional programmes. I knew I would miss something! lol

Roger

[Dave]

Hi Roger, here is a list I found of Hayley's UK National TV appearances before your first November 8th one.

September 9 2003 - BBC1 - Breakfast News.

September 10 2003 - BBC1 - Blue Peter

September 24 2003 - ITV1 - Des & Mel show

September 24 2003 - ITV1 - GMTV

September 30 2003 - BBC1 Newsround

October 21st 2003 - UK Food TV

October 23rd 2003 - BBC1 - Breakfast News

October 29th 2003 - ITV1 - Good Morning

Also... big publicity from:
May 2003 - London - Classical BRITS
June 2003 - Wales - Faenol Festival (with Jose Carreras, Bryn Terfel)
October 2003 - Tour with Aled Jones (5 dates)
November 20th - Performance for The Queen, George Bush, Tony Blair

Sept - Dec 2003 - Large numbers of Radio interviews and many favourable Press Reports.

If you add them to your l;ist, it adds up to Massive publicity and it will be VERY hard to get anywhere near that, for Odyssey. Hayley will need all the help she can get from any Radio station she can - and the only one Hayley can rely on at the moment is Classic FM. Radio 2 MAY like Odyssey and MAY play it a lot - but they may only play it occasionally. If they do play it a lot, it's a nice bonus!

I do take Kimberly's point though, that in general it is not a good idea to change album tracklistings significantly from Country to Country - especially chopping and changing at the last minute as is happening here.

[gareth]

Hehh, I fail to understand the connection between some of the recent messages posted here and the title of this topic ..... I mean, we are talking about the Odyssey track listing. Has that got anything to do with what Hayley performed in September or October 2003, or even anywhere in 2004?

Even so, it is disappointing to see that apparently the performance at Chatsworth House on October 23, 2003 isn't listed in the above messages .

Hehh, if you want a comprehensive coverage of Hayley videos up to and including 2004, you won't miss much if you visit
groups.msn.com/RussellWatsonHayleyWestenra/hwmultimedia.msnw

You've got me lost though as to the need to go into these past performances in the context of this thread...

Cheers,

Gerrit