Odyssey: which charts?

[Dave]

stephch said:

I think she is going to have a very hard time to get on the chart even if they add two more song's that are classical .I also think katherine would have a hard time too .

out of this tracklisting I would only call 3 of the song's classical

1) Prayer
2) Never Saw Blue
3) Dell'Amore Non Si Sa
4) Ave Maria by Caccini------------------------Classical
5) Both Sides Now
6) What You Never Know (Won't Hurt You)
7) May It Be
8) Quanta Qualia----------------------------------Classical
9) Bachianas Brasilieras------------------------classical
10) She Moves Through The Fair
11) I Say Grace
12) My Heart Belongs To You

OK Roger, thanks for that.

I agree your list (above) Stephanie, and I think we can add the following three tracks that were first listed on her Japanese website (then removed):

From a Mozart Piano Concerto --------------------classical
Mozart’s Lullaby (Wiegenlied - Flies) ------------classical
Dido's Lament: (Dido & Aeneas - Purcell)------classical

So that makes 6. Hmmm. Now, we know May it Be is pop (because they've left off the big orchestral ending on the DVD) and She Moves through the fair isn't counted as classical, so, they need two more classical tracks. I believe they've got one more classical track to add, so they are nearly there!

Therefore, "I Say Grace" must be classical (does anyone know?) or they will have to remix or re-record May it Be, or they must have another one (or make one, fast!). i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

Cheers, Dave

[stephch]

Dark waltz was composered by Matteo Saggese and Umberto Morasca Frank Musker wrote the lyric's.I know there are some people that think time to say goodbye and caurso are classical when they are not.But anyway's back Matteo Saggese if I am right is a band member for Zucchero and his main writen parner is Mino Vergnaghi who does back ground vocal's for Zucchero.

[stephch]

I say grace I do not think that is classical.Also I never thought of may it be as classical at all which it never was it really is celtic .

[Dave]

stephch said:

Dark waltz was composered by Matteo Saggese and Umberto Morasca Frank Musker wrote the lyric's.I know there are some people that think time to say goodbye and caurso are classical when they are not.But anyway's back Matteo Saggese if I am right is a band member for Zucchero and his main writen parner is Mino Vergnaghi who does back ground vocal's for Zucchero.

Thanks Stephanie, I've corrected my post above

And I've just realised, May it Be was composed by Enya and she isn't a "recognised classical composer", so that alone would stop it being classical!

[roger]

stephch said:

I say grace I do not think that is classical.Also I never thought of may it be as classical at all which it never was it really is celtic .

I have never fully understood what is meant by "Celtic" in the context of a musical genre. I have assumed it to be Scottish and Irish folk (and Nova Scotia). Am I close?

If so, is 'May It Be' Celtic? You might be right, Steph, I wouldn't know. But I certainly don't think it is classical. Whatever it is, I am sure it will be very popular and so....

May it be! (Sorry!)

Roger

[kcuteus1]

It does not mater to me if she is put on it your not. I would not think of her as a ture classical singer. Which she is not and that is what I like about her. I like it how she does not just do one kind of music.

[Dave]

kcuteus1 said:

It does not mater to be if she is put on it your not. I would not think of her as a ture classical singer. Which she is not and that is what I like about her.

Hi Kimberly, the main reason they are trying to get it in the classical chart in the UK is because that's Hayley's biggest market and hardly any radio stations over here will play her CD, except the big classical one (Classic FM). If it doesn't get in the classical chart, Classic FM won't play it much, and it will lose a lot of sales due to lack of airplay. I think that's why Pure hasn't even reached Gold in the US (lack of airplay) but it's not far off 3 times Platinum in the UK (lots of airplay on Classic FM and good publicity due to breaking classical sales records).

So, it may not matter to us what charts Odyssey is in, but if we want Odyssey to be as successful as Pure, it really really needs to be in the UK classical chart! If it isn't, lack of airplay and less publicity could easily see it sell half what Pure did (in the UK). That's why everyone is trying so hard to get it in the UK classical chart. It doesn't matter so much anywhere else.

Cheers! Dave

[kcuteus1]

I with the US it more or so has to do with not doing much promo. Yes she did do stuff her but not much . Il divo dose good in the US and they do not get much radio play. It has more to do it getting press.

Why can't she get radio 2 to play her stuff I know there are other classical crossover singers that do.

I just think it is unfair to the pure classical singers not having much of a chance at getting on the classical chart because of all this crossover stuff . There are other ways people can sell stuff not just radio . I find out about people are hear stuff on the internet that is how I found out about hayley. I think she sould do some more internet stuff.

I think publicity is more important than radio play.


I would like this cd to get a better realse in the US than pure do when I got it was hard to find.

And way did decca not do much stuff for her Dvd.

I think it is time for the UK to have classical crossover chart.


Sorry everyone but I have stong views.

[Richard]

Hello Kimberly!

There's no need to apologise just because you've got strong views, and I agree with everything you've said!

I certainly think there should be an official Classical Crossover chart here in the UK, and in all other countries. Hayley would then be able to record an album and release the same version everywhere, although that might spoil the fun for the more fanatical CD collectors! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

Do you listen to Radio 2 on the internet? A good way to help "Odyssey" to get played on Radio 2 will be to email lots of requests to the presenters, such as Ed Stewart, but wait until the album is released. This is something I hope we will all be doing.

Please carry on sharing your views with us. You're doing a great job in keeping the Forum discussions lively, and I bet you'll be a Full Member before the end of this month! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

Best Wishes from London,

Richard

[roger]

I agree with you too, Kimberley, so please don't apologise. Several of us have been saying that we should have a Crossover chart like you do.

As for Radio 2, I am not aware that they have played anything from Pure very often (correct me if I'm wrong, anybody) although there is no reason why they shouldn't. With the exception of 'In Trutina' and 'Benedictus', all songs from the album fit in perfectly with the style of music they usually broadcast. Will they add Odyssey to their playlist, I wonder? That may well be dependent upon the amount of promotion the album gets. We will certainly do our bit and request it whenever and wherever possible.

Roger

[stephch]

I know radio 2 has played some stuff of Katherine Jenkins,Aled Jone's ,and Russell Watson even the more classical stuff but only on seclet progam's.I know this as I looked at what some of there shows played.With crossover artist here in the US they get no or very littlie radio play and are NOT played on classical station's that is why TV and press promo is important.But crossover artist no matter what place it is do not get much radio play to begin with as I am a person that does not listen to the radio it does not matter to me unlike the UK the radio station's in the US are local not national.

I hope Odyssey does well in the UK but it would be nice if it cane do good here in the US.

[roger]

Hi Stephanie,

I hope Odyssey does really well in the US too and, indeed worldwide. If it does, we will all be happy.

Roger

[kcuteus1]

yes Richard I linten to Radio2 sometimes on the internet. And I think I may end up doing what you say.

And I do think I would be a full Member in not time what do you need a 100 post?

And I hope the best for Odyssey in all the places it is realse and this is for Dave your chart update is great but with Odyssey are you going to put a New tread you are you going to put it in the one with prue?

And thanks alot for your nice posts everyone .


Kimberly

[Richard]

Hello again Kimberly!

Yes, 100 posts will make you a Full Member, then I believe 250 posts will make you a Senior Member! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

Here's an idea. When "Odyssey" is released we could send in requests to BBC Radio 2 to play tracks for each other. It won't matter if we miss hearing the dedications, as long as Hayley gets played! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

Best Wishes from London,

Richard

[Dave]

kcuteus1 said:

And I hope the best for Odyssey in all the places it is realse and this is for Dave your chart update is great but with Odyssey are you going to put a New tread you are you going to put it in the one with prue?
And thanks alot for your nice posts everyone .
Kimberly

Hi Kimberly, the answer to your question about the charts updates is that... I don't know! But I have been thinking about it and I will try it in two or three different ways before Odyssey is released, to see what looks best. If you or anyone would like me to do it in any particular way, now is your chance to tell me!

I've also been practicing how to make real tables (with lines dividing the columns and rows!) because I saw Keith do one recently. Well, if he can do it, I want to do it too i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif so watch this space.

I do agree with what you said about having a classical crossover chart in the UK, that is where Hayley's albums should be. Unfortunately, the US is the only country to have a crossover chart, everywhere else is 10 years behind the times

Dave