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Post by scrpuckref on Mar 3, 2010 13:24:24 GMT
Hello All: As a relatively recent Hayley fan I have seen comments within this Forum suggesting that her albums have not been all that successful commercially. Do we know if this is true - of all of them - or some of them - or none of them? I know I find it somewhat confusing that Decca has chosen to release so many variants of what appears to be the same or similar material. Why did they need to release a Winter Magic and a Christmas Magic for example. We all would of course love Hayley to be immensely successful. I am curious for more information. Is commercial success by CD information available.
Thank you all & best regards to all, Steve R
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Post by mihizawi on Mar 3, 2010 14:14:18 GMT
Hello Steve, Many people here will be able to confirm it, since I am not really into how charts work.But, as far as I understood it, the problem many are complaining about isn't that different names and editions of the same album could affect in any way any statistics or charts to measure the success of an album. If I am not wrong, most of those statistics are national ones, and there's usually not different names for the albums released in one country. And, if there are any international charts or statistics, I am sure they take in consideration that different editions are the same album. That should be the case of Treasure/Celtic Treasure and Winter Magic/Christmas Magic. And, concretely about Winter Magic, the change of the name to Christmas Magic is, as far as I know for the Australian and New Zealand edition, where they have summer in Christmas time, so I think it was quite appropriate...
The complains and concerns about Hayley's albums being not as sucecessful as they could hav ebeen, come rather from things like lack of proper advertising and poorly chosen release dates.
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Post by Dave on Mar 3, 2010 14:19:33 GMT
Hello Steve R, It all depends what you mean by commercially successful. Decca and its associated companies release 'pure' classical CDs knowing that in some cases, total sales will be only a few thousand but I assume that they also know they will turn in a profit (eventually), perhaps because very little is spent on promotion. If Winter Magic has sold only say 20,000 around the World (guessing) with minimal promotion costs, it can still turn in a profit for Decca. Even if not this year, perhaps next year or eventually as it will pick up some further sales each Christmas. If so, it can be considered "commercially successful" from Decca's point of view and of course from Hayley's too. Decca has stuck with Hayley for the best part of a decade and with no sign of that relationship ending, I think it's reasonable to assume that overall, recent Hayley albums have been commercially successful and are expected to contunue to be so. This is something that you can't really deduce from an album's chart performance, especially when sales are spread around the World as in Hayley's case (Japan for example is probably very profitable). If anyone wants to get into this in more detail, we should find another thread or start one, as this isn't the right thread for this kind of discussion. Cheers, Dave
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Post by martindn on Mar 3, 2010 23:26:04 GMT
Hi Dave,
Well, you'll have to move it then if you can think of anywhere.
My own feeling is that Hayley is now financially secure, with an album to spare on her current contract. Why do I think that? For one thing she is buying property in NZ, for another she seems to be able to survive without touring. And thirdly, it looks as if she has complete artistic freedom for the new album she is working on. OK, much of this is speculation I know. I suspect all those album sales in the far east have helped enormously, and I don't think we currently have a reliable estimate of the total number of album sales. If you know better Dave, I will be happy to be corrected. If true, this is of course wonderful news, and will mean that Hayley will be able to keep making albums as long a people continue to buy them. Which I am sure, with the fan base she now has, will be a long time.
It will be interesting to see what sort of promotion the new album gets. It seems to me that a lot of effort is going into it, at least by Hayley, so maybe it will be taken seriously and promoted properly. I will but it anyway of course, whatever happens, but I live in hope.
Martin D
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Post by scrpuckref on Mar 4, 2010 0:23:07 GMT
Michal, Dave & Martin: Thank you for your comments and information, all of which I was not familiar with. I appreciate them all. Here is to a wonderful new album by Hayley in the near future!!
Best regards,
Steve R
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Post by Libby on Mar 17, 2010 5:26:19 GMT
The complains and concerns about Hayley's albums being not as sucecessful as they could have been, come rather from things like lack of proper advertising and poorly chosen release dates. So, why are certain dates better than others for releasing an album, and how does anyone figure that out? Is Decca purposely not releasing them at a good time, or are they just indifferent? I would hope they would put more effort into promoting her new album than they did with Winter Magic. I think with WM, as some have pointed out, Christmas albums aren't all that popular in the UK. But I still don't think that's much of an excuse not to promote her. Winter Magic (UK) is just the same as Christmas Magic; whereas Treasure and Celtic Treasure were somewhat different. All the versions of Odyssey had the same name, but the versions were all so different. I love the songs on this album, but it's probably the most frustrating release Decca has ever done for Hayley.
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Post by Dave on Apr 18, 2011 1:26:57 GMT
Hi everyone, I have the first "unofficial" charts news for Paradiso in NZ - it has entered the iTunes NZ top 200 albums at no. 75. iTunes updates automatically but very slowly, I think they spread it over the previous 2 or 3 days sales so we should see a slow but steady climb over the next few days. And Hayley albums are notorously low on download sales, because many of her fans are old :je and we don't do downloads! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gifCheers, Dave
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Post by Ross on Apr 18, 2011 2:51:15 GMT
Already Paradiso is No 4. in the Marbecks Top Ten CDs and it is only the first day, I suppose pre-orders will make up a lot of the sales so far.
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Post by Dave on Apr 18, 2011 13:34:03 GMT
Hi everyone, Paradiso is today top of the Top Sellers at Smoke CDs www.smokecds.com/topsellers.php and is up to no. 44 in downloaded albums on iTunes NZ. No. 13 at Amplifier www.amplifier.co.nz/ ("Releases") Progress. Dave Edit: 10 hours later, Paradiso is up to no. 24 at iTunes NZ.
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Post by Dave on Apr 21, 2011 12:01:57 GMT
Hi everyone,
I see that after a couple of days drifting lower (than no. 24) Paradiso is currently up to no. 14 at iTunes NZ, which is encouraging. Perhaps there has been some more TV advertising?
It still isn't clear where it will end up in the main RIANZ CD charts next week except that it will certainly be higher than in the download charts, as many of Hayley's typical fans don't do downloads (from my UK knowledge of previous albums). Probably it will be top 4 (as at Marbecks) and hopefully no. 1, but we shall see.
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Post by Dave on Apr 26, 2011 21:36:43 GMT
Hi everyone, I see that after a couple of days drifting lower (than no. 24) Paradiso is currently up to no. 14 at iTunes NZ, which is encouraging. Perhaps there has been some more TV advertising? It still isn't clear where it will end up in the main RIANZ CD charts next week except that it will certainly be higher than in the download charts, as many of Hayley's typical fans don't do downloads (from my UK knowledge of previous albums). Probably it will be top 4 (as at Marbecks) and hopefully no. 1, but we shall see. Cheers, Dave Marbecks have just promoted Paradise from no. 4 to no. 1 on their website, which is a good omen for next week's official chart. iTunes still haven't sorted out the problem and Paradiso cannot currently be bought there, which may have impacted on this week's official chart. Dave
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Post by Dave on Jul 9, 2011 15:29:19 GMT
Paradiso UK: Amazon UK overall ranking is currently #694, which is the highest I have seen it so far. Dave
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Post by martindn on Jul 9, 2011 20:31:23 GMT
Hi Dave,
What does that actually mean? Of all time? This year? This week?
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Post by Dave on Jul 13, 2011 23:49:35 GMT
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Post by Dave on Jul 27, 2011 19:26:49 GMT
For the record, Paradiso is currently ranked #253 at Amazon UK, so it's slowly climbing.
Dave
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