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Post by Dave on Jun 10, 2008 14:31:55 GMT
Hi Grant, We should know at least some of the chart details by this time tomorrow... and possibly later today and I'll post them first in the Official Charts thread. There could be a News release about Hayley so if anyone finds it first, please post (but remember there is an International (Western Music) Chart and a main chart - record companies usually quote the International Chart but don't explain - to make it look like Hayley is higher than she really is Cheers, Dave
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Post by gra7890 on Jun 10, 2008 21:26:29 GMT
I wonder if Hayley realised the potential - she must have had some idea or she wouldn't have done it would she? Hi Grant, It looks like a great bit of Management and planning to me. The Amazing Grace Duet 'single' +2 to tap the popularity of both the song and Minako . Then the CD, including Amazing Grace, all timed to coincide with the concert tour. The idea probably took root last year with the reception to the last tour. 'Praise where praise is due' to the decision makers ! Best Wishes, Graham
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Post by Libby on Dec 15, 2008 5:01:14 GMT
How do you find out what the artists are ranked on Amazon, borders, etc.? Where does it say?
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Post by Joe on Dec 15, 2008 5:31:11 GMT
Hi Libby ! On Amazon.com, they give CD's a sales rank...not sure how they base it on a category or all music. Celtic Treasure: Sales Rank: #2,491 in Music But they also rank the best selling CDs by genre. www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/music/67104/ref=pd_ts_m_navHayley most likely fits the Opera & Vocal -> Vocal Non-Opera category Borders have their best sellers ranked by genre also. Performer - Vocal / Choral All the best, Joe
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Post by Libby on Dec 15, 2008 21:28:03 GMT
Yeah, I found the "topsellers" lists. I even checked UK Amazon's list, and I was hoping RoD would be high on the list, but not in any category I checked there, either. Overall, Enya's new CD was first, and Josh Groban's Noel was #5! On Amazon.com: River of Dreams #3,286 in Music. I saw Comet's review! Celtic Treasure #2 under Classical > Featured Composers A-Z > Monk, William Henry #9 Vocal Non-Opera > Songs & Lieder (what's that? ) #16 World Music > Australia & New Zealand Odyssey #8 in Songs & Lieder #15 in World Music > Aust. & NZ #37 in Easy Listening > Orchestral Pop Pure#5 (Import #11) Classical > Featured Composers A-Z > Orff, Carl #5 (Import #11) Classical > Historical Periods > Modern, 20th & 21st Century > Orff, Carl - Works by Orff #30 (Import #62) Opera & Vocal > Historical Periods > Classical (c.1770-1830) > Cantatas Live from New Zealand#13,226 in Movies & TV #85 Easy Listening > Orchestral Pop #87 in Movies & TV > Art House & International > By Country > Aust. & NZ Japanese SongsMusic #60,723! It's because it's so expensive! Prayer#99,838! My Gift to You#55,411 Hayley Westenra#62,676 #78 in Featured Composers A-Z > Bernstein, Leonard In Her Own Voice#262,540 Books Related searches: Celtic Woman, Josh Groban, and Sarah Brightman Amazon.co.uk: River of Dreams #8 Pop > Greatest Hits #67 Adult Contemporary Dori, I saw your review, too! Treasure#706 in Music Odyssey, Special UK#1,375 in Music Pure 2006 #5,620 in Music Live from New Zealand#8,190 DVD #48 DVD > Classical Music Japanese songs#21,808 Music Prayer#24,344 Music My Gift to You#38,163 Music Hayley Westenra#40,236 Music In Her Own Voice#173,597 Books Related Searches: Enya, Hayley Westenra River of Dreams, Katherine Jenkins Do these sellers ever take into account where the orders are coming from? Like, I bought RoD from UK amazon. Does that mean anything to them, that someone from the U.S. is buying from them? Do they count how many people from the U.S., or anywhere else, are buying that CD from them? I'm wondering if Decca pays attention to that at all.
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Post by martindn on Dec 15, 2008 22:33:07 GMT
I don't know Libby, but I doubt they are that clever. Any more than CDJapan would have collated records of how many copies of HSJS were sold overseas. It is a pity, and to their own disadvantage that they don't do that, since it is an indicator of the level of demand. If people overseas are prepared to seek out certain albums in significant numbers, is that not a hint that there might be a market there, especially with a bit of serous promotion. But I don't know what drives their decisions, and I'm becoming less and less convinced that it is the long term interests of their artists. And I don't love myself for thinking that! But they seem to be playing with us, for no discernible advantage to anyone, and all it does is cause resentment. Like you I have bought albums featuring Hayley from Japan, Australia and yes, even the USA when necessary. It is only because of HWI that I knew some of these existed. Who do these people think they are, stereotyping national populations and deciding what they will be allowed to buy? Why not just make everything available everywhere.
Martin
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Post by milewalker on Dec 16, 2008 1:06:35 GMT
Hi Martin, The idea is to put out as many "unique" products as the market will bear. It isnt necessary that an Australian release appeal specifically to Australia for example - but it is necessary for it to have a hard to find song or two to attract customers from other countries. Fans may resent it, but it doesnt matter as long as we are buying the albums. The record company is not particularly interested in our love I think they do this with most artists, but it is actually more notiicable with an artist like Hayley - whose base sales are limited enough that the collectors make a difference. An extra ten thousand sales a year are possibly pretty important to Hayley. Making everything available everywhere only works if the artist is popular enough everywhere to cover the distribution costs. If a few thousand people import HSJS they are in effect covering the distribution costs themselves. As far as who they think they are - well they are a business. If there is one fundamental economic rule it is that the basic reason a business exists is to make money. Sometimes they guess wrong, but businesses make these kinds of marketing decisions all the time. Jon
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Post by Dave on Mar 2, 2009 14:09:40 GMT
When I log into Yahoo, I can listen to their launchcast radio, where they have classical crossover, and occasionally play Hayley. They also have "Top 100 charts", but I think it's just for them.
Anyway, here's how Hayley did on Yahoo's Top 100 charts this week:
Videos: Both Sides Now #27 Pokarekare Ana #45 Who Painted the Moon Black? #48 Shenandoah/One Fine Day/E Pari Ra #66
Albums: Pure #12
Songs: Dark Waltz #27 (up from 30 last week) Across the Universe of Time #34 (up from 62) Who Painted the Moon Black? #51 (up from 94) Beat of Your Heart #51 (up from 62)
As you can see, it's all mostly from Pure.
Music of the Spheres was in the 40's for Albums. Josh Groban was #1 on all of them. The above post was moved by Dave from the Official Charts News thread.
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Post by Jeff on Dec 3, 2009 10:41:27 GMT
Latest chart at Sainsburys: 2. Susan Boyle. (Surely a triumph of hype over ability?) 18. Rhydian. 23. The Priests. 36. Katherine Jenkins Believe. 54. Faryl Wonderland. 59. Fron Choir. 77. Camilla Kerslake. Down 37 places. A phrase involving pearls and swine springs to mind ! Hayley's "Winter Magic" is nowhere! Grrr! There's no justice ! Far be it from me to tell Bedlam their job but what are they playing at ? They don't seem bothered about promoting this album at all. All I've heard is one advert on the radio. Nothing on TV while Faryl and Camilla are working their socks off, to little avail it seems. I know Hayley is on "This morning" on 15th but that's over 2 weeks since it was released and just over a week before Christmas.
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Post by scoobedoo on Dec 3, 2009 11:01:12 GMT
Hi Jeff, it sounds as though the same problem is happening in the UK re lack of promotional material.The same thing is happening here in NZ Tonight (for the first time) I seen the first promo ad for Christmas Magic. It was on at 10.40pm (9.40am UK )in the middle of the late news on TVNZ's TV One.So far I haven't heard any radio ad's at all,but plenty of Susan Boyle,The Priests and the Seven Tenors concert tour that is coming up soon. Hayley's promotions are kicking in IMO rather late in comparison with her other albums which is annoying to say the least,here's hoping it works. cheers, Rodders
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Post by martindn on Dec 3, 2009 21:48:45 GMT
I think this chart is another lesson, if one is needed, in the importance of promotion. It is clearly vastly more important than the merits of the artist, sickening but true. Simon Cowell has several hours a week of UK prime time TV to promote his artists, Universal has nothing. So guess which artists sell here?
If universal are serious about staying in the music business they need to address this. They have some very fine artists, and they need to get them promoted. Otherwise, Faryl might regret refusing Cowell's offer, and the rest of the universal/Decca artists will sink without trace. Even Gary Barlow is struggling if Jeff is correct with Camilla, and he is doing a lot better with promotion than Decca are with any of their artists. In classical crosover, Rhydian alone is doing well, Simon Cowell again.
No wonder Katherine Jenkins jumped ship. She could see which way the wind was blowing.
Martin
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Post by Jeff on Dec 4, 2009 14:32:53 GMT
Latest Tesco chart:
1. Susan Boyle 13 The Soldiers Coming Home 20 Coldstream Guards Heroes 21 The Priests.
Chart only shows Top 30.
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Post by martindn on Dec 5, 2009 11:46:25 GMT
Well, I've finally managed to locate a UK copy of Winter Magic in a shop. Sainsbury's Grove Farm displays the top 100 albums, but no WM, and Borders is in the middle of a closing down sale, everything is confused there but I didn't see WM there either.
So it was into the centre of Leicester and HMV, who did have it, and it is placed at no 55 in their chart! This is more than 20 places above Camilla Kerslake, but slightly behind Faryl. If this is based on actual sales it is good news. They had 20 or so copies displayed, and I moved some of them from the chart stand to the "New Releases" stand, where there weren't any.
Howvever, this might give a distorted picture, since HMV seems to be the only place where WM is available. So anyone who wants it has to buy it there, whereas Camilla and Faryl have lots of other outlets to chose from. So that could be giving WM a false position in that particular chart. But it is good news anyway, at least it was prominently displayes (even more so now| since my visit).
Martin
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Post by Jillian on Feb 12, 2010 10:54:41 GMT
Interestingly, Hayley Sings Japanese Songs is sitting at number 84 in the Japanese Itunes Pop Chart. It always seems to be hovering at around there .
I wonder how many copies that album has sold? Does anyone know how big Hayley's Japanese and Asian sales are?
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Post by martindn on Feb 12, 2010 13:25:06 GMT
Hi Jillian,
Yes, it would be good to know. She must have sold a lot in Taiwan in the last year at least, and perhaps all over the Far East.
Martin D
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