Post by Simba on Dec 24, 2015 21:58:56 GMT
Martin, Hayley has always had a brilliant vibrato to support her, since she was 13 years old. Maybe you didn't notice it. One of the things that makes Hayley a great singer is not only her naturally gifted voice but also her precise and great technique. Katherine Jenkins is a wannabe opera singer, she doesn't have a good technique, I wouldn't call it vibrato, it's almost warbling. . Correction there was no vibrato in the performance, very feeble and inconsistent. What we need is neither a KJ overboard vibrato nor a vibrato-less performance, but the right amount.
And Paddy, "If vibrato becomes blatantly obvious in singing...."
Vibrato shouldn't become obvious, it should be subtle. No one's talking about a KJ type vibrato, a rather Hayley or rest of the Celtic woman type quality.
Lack of human vibrato is NOT rare at all, amateurs don't know how to produce a pulsating vibrato, few have it by default, for others it comes through training and a good breath support. Actually, once you can sing with a vibrato, singing without is easy. I know that for a fact. Timber has got nothing to do with the vibrato, Eabha is naturally gifted with a beautiful voice, she just needs to work on it more.
Silly, off putting vibrato? Quite amateurish to give vibrato such an adjective. People choose to avoid vibrato only when they're in a choir so that it doesn't conflict other vibratos in the group resulting in dissonance. Listen to this, I've tried to demonstrate the obvious. (Ofcourse with the Merry Christmas you stated) soundcloud.com/pradeep-christopher-daniel/with-and-without-vibrato/s-TRHJC It's barely a minute, so do listen to it, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. The only difference though is that, I'm deliberately singing without a vibrato and Eabha fails to produce a natural vibrato and when it does come it's inconsistent. Though when you instantly hear the same line sung with a gentle vibrato, you know it makes all the difference. To get technical, the pulsating of notes (vibrato) is what helps keeps the note in the pitch centre consistently, which is why we see vibrato more necessary the longer the notes get.
I find it surprising that room for improvement is absolutely shut off in some perspectives, even Hayley the amazing singer she is, is always working to improve. And for Eabha it seems to be one of the basics, I'm sure if I went and told this to her directly (if I had the opportunity), she'd be more sensible in accepting the constructive criticism and try working on it and not be defensive about it. Plus vibrato is not the ONLY thing she needs to work on, she needs better overall projection as well.
And I'm not dissing Eabha, hope that's clear. With Celtic woman, she definitely needs to work more to meet some standards, that is all. With that I shall leave this discussion.
and I suspect more vibrato would wreck that particular performance
And Paddy, "If vibrato becomes blatantly obvious in singing...."
Vibrato shouldn't become obvious, it should be subtle. No one's talking about a KJ type vibrato, a rather Hayley or rest of the Celtic woman type quality.
Lack of human vibrato is NOT rare at all, amateurs don't know how to produce a pulsating vibrato, few have it by default, for others it comes through training and a good breath support. Actually, once you can sing with a vibrato, singing without is easy. I know that for a fact. Timber has got nothing to do with the vibrato, Eabha is naturally gifted with a beautiful voice, she just needs to work on it more.
Silly, off putting vibrato? Quite amateurish to give vibrato such an adjective. People choose to avoid vibrato only when they're in a choir so that it doesn't conflict other vibratos in the group resulting in dissonance. Listen to this, I've tried to demonstrate the obvious. (Ofcourse with the Merry Christmas you stated) soundcloud.com/pradeep-christopher-daniel/with-and-without-vibrato/s-TRHJC It's barely a minute, so do listen to it, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. The only difference though is that, I'm deliberately singing without a vibrato and Eabha fails to produce a natural vibrato and when it does come it's inconsistent. Though when you instantly hear the same line sung with a gentle vibrato, you know it makes all the difference. To get technical, the pulsating of notes (vibrato) is what helps keeps the note in the pitch centre consistently, which is why we see vibrato more necessary the longer the notes get.
I find it surprising that room for improvement is absolutely shut off in some perspectives, even Hayley the amazing singer she is, is always working to improve. And for Eabha it seems to be one of the basics, I'm sure if I went and told this to her directly (if I had the opportunity), she'd be more sensible in accepting the constructive criticism and try working on it and not be defensive about it. Plus vibrato is not the ONLY thing she needs to work on, she needs better overall projection as well.
And I'm not dissing Eabha, hope that's clear. With Celtic woman, she definitely needs to work more to meet some standards, that is all. With that I shall leave this discussion.
But, that's not singing, but it still made me think of that! 
