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Post by martindn on Sept 3, 2013 21:59:08 GMT
Hushabye at least is credible. Not sure it would have been half as interesting if Katherine had done it. Would we have had the likes of Bau Bei and Bridge Over Troubled Water?
And we would have had (at least) one less Hayley album.
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Post by Libby on Sept 4, 2013 20:16:00 GMT
Hushabye at least is credible. Not sure it would have been half as interesting if Katherine had done it. Would we have had the likes of Bau Bei and Bridge Over Troubled Water? And we would have had (at least) one less Hayley album. Martin D Exactly, Martin! Hayley started thinking about singing BOTW in her concerts a year ago (you don't need to remind me about the soundcheck, I KNOW), long before Hushabye was even thought of. So, I think BOTW would have appeared somewhere eventually. I could care less about the rest of the songs. You seriously think I would consider it a loss not to have Hushabye? Where've you been, Martin? LOL Yes, I would rather have one less pointless, unsuccessful album. Let Katherine, the one they actually promote, be the one to have the silly lullabies, and Hayley have the "real" album we all want. Don't tell me you wouldn't prefer what I call a real album over Hushabye. I think everybody here would prefer that, even if they do like Hushabye. |
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Post by martindn on Sept 4, 2013 21:42:10 GMT
Of course Libby, we all look forward to Hayley's definitive "Hayley" album. One that is all her. But something is better than nothing, whatever you think of it. And something from Hayley, even Hushabye, is better than most of the best from most other singers.
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Post by Libby on Sept 4, 2013 22:24:34 GMT
Of course Libby, we all look forward to Hayley's definitive "Hayley" album. One that is all her. But something is better than nothing, whatever you think of it. And something from Hayley, even Hushabye, is better than most of the best from most other singers. Martin D I'm sorry, but in this case, Martin, I completely disagree. And call me sacrilegious, but in my opinion, it is almost laughable to me to think that Hushabye could be better than any of Brandi Carlile's albums. Not many of her songs would put you to sleep; in fact, some could startle you awake. But they are all new, original songs that nobody had ever done before, and there's nothing childish about any of them. They are emotional, heartfelt, and raw. I'd rather listen to quality songs like that, and lullabies are not quality songs, as far as I'm concerned, unless you're a toddler. And even then, it's debatable. As much as I enjoy DALD from Hayley, it actually sounds rather bland compared to Brandi's colorful voice. Of course, Brandi has a stronger voice than Hayley, if not as pure and pretty as Hayley's. But Brandi has nothing as gorgeous as Summer Rain, Let Me Lie, All With You, or Malena. Or Never Saw Blue, or Across the Universe of Time. See, I would put all of Hayley's music above Brandi's in my book, except for Hushabye (well, HSJS2, if it comes down to it). I would also say that all of Josh Groban's albums are better than Hushabye. It's all about the material, Martin, even though you hate Josh Groban. Mario Frangoulis' albums are way better. I like Enya's albums better. Mary-Jess'. CW's A New Journey is better. Kelly Sweet's We Are One. The LOTR soundtrack? Oh boy, is that better than Hushabye. I'm listing pretty much all the albums I own. I hate to sound so negative about it, but Hushabye is not the best album out there, by Hayley or anybody else. That's why I say I would have been fine with KJ doing it, because then I wouldn't feel bad about not liking it. |
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Post by Jeff on Sept 5, 2013 11:29:36 GMT
I am one of the few still here who have seen Hayley and Katherine singing live together. In my case it happened the first time I heard either of them. That was back in 2004. And as for publicity, they have different values. Hayley likes being able to walk down a street in London and not be recognised. She will promote herself when she has an album to sell. That's what allows her to continue to make a living as a musician. But it is strictly for a purpose. Katherine wants to be a celebrity, and singing, dancing, TV shows, who cares as long as it gets her the attention of as many people as possible. To her I suspect, walking down a street in London and not being recognised would be failure. Katherine's ambition is to be famous. Hayley's is to make a living as a singer. They are different. And it shows. Would Katherine have done Hushabye or Paradiso if it had been offered to her? You bet your life. Katherine never had anything as focussed or inspiring as that to work with. I think Katherine does see Hayley as a rival though, whatever she says. Hayley mentions Katherine in her autobiography. Katherine does not mention Hayley in hers, even though her first UK tour was as a support act for Hayley's Pure tour. I think that says a lot. I'm not trying to be bitchy. I think Katherine is a talented singer, and I enjoy listening to her. But sometimes I think she is her own worst enemy. Martin D Yes, Martin. I remember seeing Hayley and Katherine together on the Pure Tour. Katherine wasn't so well known back then and after the show while waiting for Hayley I remember Katherine was walking around the car park handing out postcards of herself and trying to find someone who wanted her autograph ! I politely declined and nothing that has happened since has made me regret that decision.  |
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Post by Simba on Sept 5, 2013 12:03:51 GMT
That is true Libby. Martin I think we are slightly too biased, Hayley has the best voice yes, and is one of the best singers ever, but it's not like even her least performances are better than most. That's a huge exaggeration. Forget Justin Bieber, nicki minaj and the likes, and there many wonderful singers who can sing really really well. Yes truth is Hayley is not miles better than many, even though she clearly is better. Which is why I was so concerned about any noticeable decline in technique. But in a way Martin I'd agree with what you said if we put it as being better than most mainstream singers these days. Ah Libby that's where I disagree, you simply cannot say it IS NOT, because everybody doesn't have a problem with lullabies like you do, and hey for some I'm sure Hushabye might be the best album by Hayley. But yeah it's not the best album out there for sure  2014 seems long now, for her new material, with all the mixed topics that are coming up regarding hushabye or what not, lol. We need to hear something soon. |
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Post by Jillian on Sept 5, 2013 14:00:03 GMT
Yes, Martin. I remember seeing Hayley and Katherine together on the Pure Tour. Katherine wasn't so well known back then and after the show while waiting for Hayley I remember Katherine was walking around the car park handing out postcards of herself and trying to find someone who wanted her autograph ! I politely declined and nothing that has happened since has made me regret that decision. lol But to be fair to Katherine, she was a lot older than Hayley when she signed to Decca and I guess was more aware of the urgency to make her career happen -- she was not afforded the benefit of the youthful optimism that Hayley had due to her signing her deal extremely young. Katherine was 24 when Premiere was released and by that age you're painfully aware that if the debut album fails then it's back to obscurity working as a music teacher and a tour guide. Having signed with Universal at 13, I don't think Hayley has ever had to really contemplate a working life without a record deal. Sure Katherine has been self-promoting herself a lot recently - but I guess she's had to what with things not working out at Warner and having to secure a new record deal. I'm sure that if it ever came to the point with Hayley where her deal with Decca was in jeopardy, she'd hardly obediently retire into obscurity. Just saying that I don't mind a bit of self-promoting  If I was Katherine and I was standing on the cusp of being able to change my life like that I would have been out there with postcards too! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif Cheers, Jillian |
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Post by Dave on Sept 5, 2013 21:45:06 GMT
Just saying that I don't mind a bit of self-promoting If I was Katherine and I was standing on the cusp of being able to change my life like that I would have been out there with postcards too! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif Yes indeed Jillian, there's nothing wrong with that, and Hayley's done a bit of that in her time, too! I seem to recall that Hayley has busked both in NZ before she was well known, and in London to promote Pure (with a little help from Decca ). Katherine's done that, too! And Hayley turned up at HMV in London the day before Pure was due to chart for the first time here, for a bit of impromptu signing and self-promotion did she not? It worked too, because Pure then nudged in front of Charlotte Church's album to take that record for the fastest selling debut classical album ever in the UK, somethiong that regularly comes up in interviews even today!  Cheers, Dave |
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Post by martindn on Sept 5, 2013 23:00:06 GMT
Yes, in both cases they were singers trying to get established. And for sure you need to work at the publicity. Nothing wrong with that.
But my point is that Hayley promotes her music. Katherine promotes herself. Hayley wants her albums to sell so that she gets the chance to make more of them. Katherine seems to want to be famous, and if her voice doesn't do it, she will try anything else. I really can't imagine Hayley in Strictly Come Dancing in a million years, even though we know she used to be a talented dancer.
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Post by Simba on Sept 6, 2013 4:36:26 GMT
Hey martin but isn't that essentially the same thing? You become more famous, people search for your music, they know your music, they know you. Katherine promotes herself (if it's like you say it) so that her music is recognized through her, And Hayley promotes her music, so that people know her that way. As a singer I think their goals are no different, unlike trashy pop singers these days who can't sing.
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Post by Libby on Sept 6, 2013 4:52:04 GMT
I'm not a fan of Katherine's voice, but that scenario described above makes me feel really sorry for her, or I would have. Even if I hadn't enjoyed her voice as much as Hayley's, if I'd been there, I would have accepted her autograph. Poor thing.
I've been to skating competitions, and had opportunities to get autographs by US skaters, and usually I'm in line for certain skaters in particular, but they always put some of the less successful skaters at the same table, and my sister and I always take their autographs. I mean, they're next in line, and someone else is ahead of you getting the next skater's autograph, so it would seem horribly rude not to accept it. It's not like it hurts anything to have it. Also, my sister has never been one to miss meeting famous or not-so-famous people, because she always says it's a once in a lifetime opportunity. True, though it's not always worth standing out in the pouring rain for. It was for Josh Groban, though! LOL
I'm sorry, but I think there are very few people who actually like lullabies. You all like it mostly because it's Hayley. I like it more than I would if it was Katherine, say. But the lyrics are in many of the songs are just too silly. They have nice melodies, and are sweet for children, but I just don't have the patience for these types of songs, Hayley or not. I don't see how anyone could call it her best album; it is for you, but by most standards, it is not a very good album. No original material, and only caters to certain people.
I still stand by my statement that all of my favorite artists have albums far superior to Hushabye, as a whole. That's going by more than just voices, of course.
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Post by comet on Sept 6, 2013 8:12:44 GMT
Oi you lot,
A good few of our HWI members can also be seen regularly a Katherine's concerts.
I know because I was there too, I found Katherine to be extremely friendly and amusing when in concert and at signings afterwards.
I do have most of her albums, There is quite a difference between the sound of Hayley's voice and Katherine's, but only taste dictates that one is "better" than the other.
Here's to wishing Katherine well
in the next chapter of her career
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Post by Simba on Sept 6, 2013 14:45:52 GMT
I do agree, she's got a nice rounded tone too, I like her more pop songs that she does recently Unlike Hayley, Katherine's pop sound is working better than her half operatic tone which never really worked too great. Can't break it to my heart, some Bruno mars song and stuff. And Libby, I agreed that there could be lots of albums that are better than hayley. I just said we cannot say for sure if it isn't hayley's best album, it might be for some. And it's not the best album for me either XD, months of listening made me relist it as Prayer, Treasure, Paradiso/Odyssey, Hushabye/HSJS XD |
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Post by Jillian on Sept 6, 2013 14:56:45 GMT
I do agree, she's got a nice rounded tone too, I like her more pop songs that she does recently Unlike Hayley, Katherine's pop sound is working better than her half operatic tone which never really worked too great. Can't break it to my heart, some Bruno mars song and stuff. The original of 'Can't Break it to My Heart' was done by famous Australian singer Delta Goodrem -- I think because I'm so familiar with the original I can't really wrap my head around Katherine's cover. It just seems so polished, pretty and emotionless - which completely misses the point of the song. She's actually smiling in the music video... Although to be fair to Katherine, classical crossover singers do this all the time to popular songs. Sometimes certain songs aren't meant to be sung like a textbook perfect recital. |
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Post by comet on Sept 6, 2013 15:41:02 GMT
I do agree, she's got a nice rounded tone too, I like her more pop songs that she does recently Unlike Hayley, Katherine's pop sound is working better than her half operatic tone which never really worked too great. Can't break it to my heart, some Bruno mars song and stuff. The original of 'Can't Break it to My Heart' was done by famous Australian singer Delta Goodrem -- I think because I'm so familiar with the original I can't really wrap my head around Katherine's cover. It just seems so polished, pretty and emotionless - which completely misses the point of the song. She's actually smiling in the music video...
Although to be fair to Katherine, classical crossover singers do this all the time to popular songs. Sometimes certain songs aren't meant to be sung like a textbook perfect recital. A very similar thought crossed my mind while I was listening to Mirusia singing Don't cry for me Argentina, much of the Julie Covington original was almost whispered or spoken.  I know it so well |
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