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Post by Libby on Oct 2, 2014 3:39:08 GMT
I think so, too, Larry. I've used what effort I could muster, to little avail, but I can only do so much, and think of so much. Anyway, I'm not completely convinced that Hayley herself wants to give up on the US yet, but let's at least just wait for her album news in the meantime.
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Post by timj on Oct 2, 2014 21:05:46 GMT
october 18, will be 1 year since my last Hayley concert....sometimes i practice booking flights and hotels just to be ready.....(wonder where my Oyster Card is hiding?) TimJ
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Post by martindn on Oct 2, 2014 22:27:53 GMT
I'm sure Hayley is well aware that she has many US fans. The trouble is they are spread far and wide, it would be hard to find a single location that was convenient for more than a small number of them. So she would have to do a tour, with all the commitment that that entails. And then, she is probably not well enough known over there to make it financially viable, she probably wouldn't sell out concerts like she does in the UK, NZ and Far East without an awful lot of promotion, and that costs. You guys over there deserve your chance to see Hayley live, and I hope some way can be found to arrange that that isn't a disaster. I'm sure Hayley has watched KJ's attempt to crack the USA with interest. She put a lot of effort into that, and it didn't work out. It probably means others will think more than twice unfortunately.
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Post by Libby on Oct 3, 2014 1:37:15 GMT
I'm sure Hayley is well aware that she has many US fans. The trouble is they are spread far and wide, it would be hard to find a single location that was convenient for more than a small number of them. So she would have to do a tour, with all the commitment that that entails. And then, she is probably not well enough known over there to make it financially viable, she probably wouldn't sell out concerts like she does in the UK, NZ and Far East without an awful lot of promotion, and that costs. You guys over there deserve your chance to see Hayley live, and I hope some way can be found to arrange that that isn't a disaster. I'm sure Hayley has watched KJ's attempt to crack the USA with interest. She put a lot of effort into that, and it didn't work out. It probably means others will think more than twice unfortunately. Martin D I actually think someone like Hayley would appeal to Americans more than KJ, no offense. Especially if she becomes more of a singer/songwriter, as she has expressed a desire to do, and might actually even be attempting that now. So, right now I just want to wait and see what her next album will look like. It's just that the genre of opera/classical isn't hugely popular, and KJ's problem with appealing to Americans with crossover/pop, etc., could be that her voice sounds operatic even in songs that aren't opera (JE often does the same, but she was on AGT, so that's what helped her). Sarah Brightman became very popular here, but I think the difference is, besides money and the great shows she puts on, the fact that when she sings pop-like songs, she doesn't use her "opera voice". She is very versatile in that sense. Take Anytime, Anywhere. In that song she goes back and forth between a softer pop voice to opera. She can sing softly and seductively, or she can blow you away with dramatic, operatic vocals. She makes classical music listenable, and glamorous while she's at it, too. Unfortunately Katherine is nowhere near in Sarah's league. But at least she can say she got more fans than she would have if she hadn't been on DWTS, and many of her fans there thought she had a great voice, so it's not like she didn't gain anything from that. But it's kind of sad to think she had to be on a dancing show to get famous. I'm not sure it would benefit Hayley anymore to sing operatic arias, because her voice is starting to suit pop and folk better. I was recently listening to When the Stars Go Blue, and I was thinking how wonderful Hayley sounded singing that. She can still sing classical, and sing pop-like songs that suit her voice really well like that. And her voice suits the songs she writes the best, so the more of those the better. And like Sarah Brightman has done, she could always write songs to classical pieces; in fact, Hayley herself has already done that with Melancholy Interlude. So, if she's worried about making the classical charts, she can do things like that again. Then maybe we just need Peter Jackson to give in and let Hayley sing the theme song for the last Hobbit movie, which I happen to think is going to be the best out of the 3. As well as plenty of action, there will be more emotion and drama, and some female elves might help there be reason for a female voice to fit in. Next, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir needs to have her on their Christmas show. In fact, I might even write to them again, to remind them. I last wrote 4 years ago. Maybe it's time to do it again.  Hayley wouldn't need to do a whole tour of the US. We've come up with this here before, but she would only need to do a couple of cities per region. She could start with Seattle (where else??) on the west coast, then head to California (or vice versa, I wouldn't be complaining). Then how about Chicago or Detroit (I think we have a fan or 2 from Michigan), then maybe Dallas or Houston, or somewhere in Florida for the South. Then for the east coast, New York would be obvious, but Pennsylvania would be preferrable (Joe!), then maybe Boston, too. Oh wait, for the south, North Carolina would be in order, for Bob C on the official forum... Yeah, it's hard to narrow it down, but seriously, 6 concerts in the US would be outstanding. Even 4 would be acceptable. And there are plenty of small theaters that would suit her type of concert and the audience she would attract. If Orla Fallon could draw a big crowd in Tacoma, Washington, then why couldn't Hayley? She was in Celtic Woman too! I'll say it again: if they would just promote her as a former Celtic Woman member, then she would draw the CW fans, at the very least. As if the CW forum members wouldn't be paying attention to begin with, anyway! They may not get all the news as fast or as often as us, but they're still paying attention. I really wish I could have a word with Hayley's management/tour managers about this!  I know I have the right idea, and I think it would work. |
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Post by Bamafan on Oct 3, 2014 2:50:21 GMT
Atlanta would probably best the best venue in the Southeast. It's very central and is not too far away from anywhere down here, usually just a few hours drive. -Taylor i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif |
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Post by comet on Oct 3, 2014 8:19:50 GMT
Next, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir needs to have her on their Christmas show. In fact, I might even write to them again, to remind them. I last wrote 4 years ago. Maybe it's time to do it again. I really wish I could have a word with Hayley's management/tour managers about this! I know I have the right idea, and I think it would work. Go for it Libby |
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Post by comet on Oct 3, 2014 8:22:36 GMT
october 18, will be 1 year since my last Hayley concert....sometimes i practice booking flights and hotels just to be ready.....(wonder where my Oyster Card is hiding?) TimJ Nice one Tim, I practice getting up and putting the shoes on the right feet, the only flights I'm taking are flights of stairs. October 18th last was worth the effort though.. |
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Post by Jillian on Oct 3, 2014 13:11:30 GMT
I'm sure Hayley is well aware that she has many US fans. The trouble is they are spread far and wide, it would be hard to find a single location that was convenient for more than a small number of them. So she would have to do a tour, with all the commitment that that entails. And then, she is probably not well enough known over there to make it financially viable, she probably wouldn't sell out concerts like she does in the UK, NZ and Far East without an awful lot of promotion, and that costs. You guys over there deserve your chance to see Hayley live, and I hope some way can be found to arrange that that isn't a disaster. I'm sure Hayley has watched KJ's attempt to crack the USA with interest. She put a lot of effort into that, and it didn't work out. It probably means others will think more than twice unfortunately. Martin D I actually think someone like Hayley would appeal to Americans more than KJ, no offense. Especially if she becomes more of a singer/songwriter, as she has expressed a desire to do, and might actually even be attempting that now. So, right now I just want to wait and see what her next album will look like. It's just that the genre of opera/classical isn't hugely popular, and KJ's problem with appealing to Americans with crossover/pop, etc., could be that her voice sounds operatic even in songs that aren't opera (JE often does the same, but she was on AGT, so that's what helped her). Sarah Brightman became very popular here, but I think the difference is, besides money and the great shows she puts on, the fact that when she sings pop-like songs, she doesn't use her "opera voice". She is very versatile in that sense. Take Anytime, Anywhere. In that song she goes back and forth between a softer pop voice to opera. She can sing softly and seductively, or she can blow you away with dramatic, operatic vocals. She makes classical music listenable, and glamorous while she's at it, too. Unfortunately Katherine is nowhere near in Sarah's league. But at least she can say she got more fans than she would have if she hadn't been on DWTS, and many of her fans there thought she had a great voice, so it's not like she didn't gain anything from that. But it's kind of sad to think she had to be on a dancing show to get famous. I'm not sure it would benefit Hayley anymore to sing operatic arias, because her voice is starting to suit pop and folk better. I was recently listening to When the Stars Go Blue, and I was thinking how wonderful Hayley sounded singing that. She can still sing classical, and sing pop-like songs that suit her voice really well like that. And her voice suits the songs she writes the best, so the more of those the better. And like Sarah Brightman has done, she could always write songs to classical pieces; in fact, Hayley herself has already done that with Melancholy Interlude. So, if she's worried about making the classical charts, she can do things like that again. Then maybe we just need Peter Jackson to give in and let Hayley sing the theme song for the last Hobbit movie, which I happen to think is going to be the best out of the 3. As well as plenty of action, there will be more emotion and drama, and some female elves might help there be reason for a female voice to fit in. Next, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir needs to have her on their Christmas show. In fact, I might even write to them again, to remind them. I last wrote 4 years ago. Maybe it's time to do it again. Hayley wouldn't need to do a whole tour of the US. We've come up with this here before, but she would only need to do a couple of cities per region. She could start with Seattle (where else??) on the west coast, then head to California (or vice versa, I wouldn't be complaining). Then how about Chicago or Detroit (I think we have a fan or 2 from Michigan), then maybe Dallas or Houston, or somewhere in Florida for the South. Then for the east coast, New York would be obvious, but Pennsylvania would be preferrable (Joe!), then maybe Boston, too. Oh wait, for the south, North Carolina would be in order, for Bob C on the official forum... Yeah, it's hard to narrow it down, but seriously, 6 concerts in the US would be outstanding. Even 4 would be acceptable. And there are plenty of small theaters that would suit her type of concert and the audience she would attract. If Orla Fallon could draw a big crowd in Tacoma, Washington, then why couldn't Hayley? She was in Celtic Woman too! I'll say it again: if they would just promote her as a former Celtic Woman member, then she would draw the CW fans, at the very least. As if the CW forum members wouldn't be paying attention to begin with, anyway! They may not get all the news as fast or as often as us, but they're still paying attention. I really wish I could have a word with Hayley's management/tour managers about this! I know I have the right idea, and I think it would work. I suppose the thing is that no one really has any idea what Hayley's style or direction is anymore. All the reference points for material she has done are just so long ago. I get the impression that Hayley's personal music tastes are now quite different from the music she has recorded in the past. But one can't predict whether any new material will attempt to imitate her favourite artists' styles. It really is a case of 'watch this space'. At least there are signs that Hayley is creating material. But I wouldn't be suprised if in the future it is revealed that Hayley has been experiencing doubts about her direction, writer's block and her motivation to continue a recording/music career. |
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Post by martindn on Oct 3, 2014 21:50:31 GMT
I get the impression that Hayley has a very wide taste in music. Just looking at the concerts she has been to recently. Some, like Kate Bush and Joan Baez, are artists whose songs she has recorded. But not much of it seems classical or operatic I agree.
I'm sure what ever Hayley turns her talent to, and decides to do next will be wonderful. That's the sort of confidence I have in her. She can do whatever she decides she wants to do. She can sing just about anything, in just about any style, and it will be wonderful.
What is much more difficult is creating something new and original, that will appeal to her fans and hopefully attract new ones. Hayley is a fine lyricist we know. She has yet to prove herself as a music composer though. That I think is where she struggles a bit.
I think Jillian, that she enjoys singing and performing, and I don't think, apart from when she was ill, that she has felt she wanted to give it up. I do think she might be struggling to work out in which of the many directions she could go would be best for her. When you can do everything, what do you choose?
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Post by grant on Oct 3, 2014 23:15:36 GMT
I suppose the thing is that no one really has any idea what Hayley's style or direction is anymore. All the reference points for material she has done are just so long ago. I get the impression that Hayley's personal music tastes are now quite different from the music she has recorded in the past. But one can't predict whether any new material will attempt to imitate her favourite artists' styles. It really is a case of 'watch this space'. At least there are signs that Hayley is creating material. But I wouldn't be suprised if in the future it is revealed that Hayley has been experiencing doubts about her direction, writer's block and her motivation to continue a recording/music career. Hi Jillian Do you really think that Hayley has doubts about her direction and motivation to continue with a musical career? Personally, I believe that taking time to settle into married life has given her the opportunity to look at her options and consider what changes she wants to make - I certainly agree that change is on the way. Yes, she is writing - she wants to be a "singer songwriter" and if you look at some of her idols and a recent concert we have Joni Mitchell, Eva Cassidy and now Mary Chapin Carpenter that have or may influence her in the future. We heard her play guitar on stage at Union Chapel - something we have been waiting and hoping for for ages. We also know she is open to whatever challenges that present themselves and, as Martin has said, she can turn her hand to pretty much anything without flinching. I would not be surprised to see a brand new and exciting Hayley emerge in the days and weeks to come. Bring it on Hayley! Whatever direction you take will be OK by me! Best wishes Grant |
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Post by Dave on Oct 3, 2014 23:54:19 GMT
I would not be surprised to see a brand new and exciting Hayley emerge in the days and weeks to come. Bring it on Hayley! Whatever direction you take will be OK by me! Hi Grant, Well if she does, and wants some feedback, she's welcome to try it out on us! Any time, anyhow!  Cheers, Dave |
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Post by Jillian on Oct 4, 2014 1:43:53 GMT
I think everyone has doubts about what they want to do with their careers. In particular, Hayley's in a fairly unusual situation in that the trajectory of her career was set down for her when she was very young i.e. 12/13 years old. It's very different being a 27 year old woman now and I wouldn't be surprised at all if she's had an adjustment period where she's had to figure out what her motivations are as an adult, as opposed to a teenage girl.
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Post by gillette on Oct 4, 2014 1:54:54 GMT
I would not be surprised to see a brand new and exciting Hayley emerge in the days and weeks to come. Hi Grant, I am on board with you on that!!! Don't forget her recent association with Jack Savoretti (songwriter), Pedro, and Seb. Plus, I read a lot into her expressing special delight with what she saw and heard of M C Carpenter. It may be a long wait, but I think that we are going to be very pleased with it when it arrives. BobS |
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Post by Libby on Oct 4, 2014 3:27:33 GMT
What is much more difficult is creating something new and original, that will appeal to her fans and hopefully attract new ones. Hayley is a fine lyricist we know. She has yet to prove herself as a music composer though. That I think is where she struggles a bit. I think Jillian, that she enjoys singing and performing, and I don't think, apart from when she was ill, that she has felt she wanted to give it up. I do think she might be struggling to work out in which of the many directions she could go would be best for her. When you can do everything, what do you choose? Martin D I don't think it's really necessary for her to actually compose music, though I certainly wouldn't be against that. But I think in the past, when she has written songs, she co-writes them, and I think most likely the co-writers are the ones that compose it. With the exception of Melancholy Interlude, Malena, and On the Wings of Time. We know that Sarah Class wrote Across the Universe of Time, so it's highly likely that she was the main composer of Let Me Lie. However, I'm not sure where you get that she's "struggling" with composing. She's never said she is, and just because we have no evidence that she has tried, doesn't mean she hasn't, or is struggling with it, if she has. I totally agree about the last part. She loves what she does, and it's obvious that recently she has been hard at work in the studio... in the STUDIO. We've seen her with a violin in front of a microphone. That may not have been a final recording, but that was several months ago now. Much could have happened between then and now. And, writer's block? I'm sure that was just a brief pause in a single songwriting session, not a block on her whole career! Probably just trying to think of something that rhymes and makes sense with the song, for all we know! Of course, as I have mentioned, we just have to wait to see what her album is like, but I still have a strong feeling that whatever it is will be something new and special. I think that no matter what it's like, if she were to be promoting a tour based on her former CW membership, she would be able to draw a fair amount of people to at least a few small theaters over here. Like I said, it wouldn't have to be the whole country to start out with. And since she hasn't done a full Hayley set in the US in AGES, some of her older songs would be very welcome to the CW fans, as well as any new material. Actually, if she were to sing many of the songs she sang at the Union Chapel concert, it would go over very well! Just make sure she included Scarborough Fair and Danny Boy, and she'd be all set. I actually did try writing to Bandana a couple times a few years ago, regarding the MTC and my idea for her to perform at some of the many, extremely popular Japanese skating shows. No response, and obviously no action. I don't even know if they read them at all. But I do wish I could tell them about my idea of promoting concerts for her in the US. It's really a no-brainer, when you think about it. She would get more than just CW fans, of course, but they are probably the ones that still remember who she is, besides us, of course. They may not even be the most avid fans of Hayley herself, but CW as a whole, so they enjoy all of those singers and types of songs anyway, so it wouldn't take much to attract them to a Hayley concert, as long as they were made aware of it! I just visited Hayley's page on the CW forum, and here's a wonderful quote I found from one of the members: This was actually just one of the many praises for Hayley; in fact, it was in a whole thread devoted to saying why you loved Hayley. Yes, Hayley is still much loved by the CW community! |
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Post by Libby on Oct 4, 2014 3:32:26 GMT
I would not be surprised to see a brand new and exciting Hayley emerge in the days and weeks to come. Bring it on Hayley! Whatever direction you take will be OK by me! Best wishes Grant Me, too! And, do you really think it could only be weeks before she "emerges"? To us, anyway? LOL As for me, I'm hoping the album will be out early next year, or at least maybe around Mother's day, whichever is best for album sales! At least that would be better than competing with the latest Simon Cowell prodigy. |
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