Hayley's concert locations

[Martin]

It's interesting to analyse the trends for concert locations where Hayley has performed since 2010 (including guest appearances). For the period 2010 - 2013 to date, the statistics are:

2010

UK/Ire - 15
Far East - 3
NZ - 1
Other (worldwide) - 0

2011

UK/Ire - 4
Far East - 8
NZ - 11
Other (worldwide) - 2

2012

UK/Ire - 10
Far East - 8
NZ - 0
Other (worldwide) - 4

2013

UK - 2
Far East - 5
NZ - 1
Other (worldwide) - 0

TOTAL

UK/Ire - 31
Far East - 24
NZ - 13
Other (worldwide) - 6

Trends that are beginning to form are (1) The Far East is becoming a dominant location (which we knew) and (2) UK/Ire is slowly dropping off, noting that the favourable UK/Ire figure for 2010 is mainly due to two tours; Christmas Wishes and Battle of Britain 70th Anniversary.

It will be interesting to see if these trends continue under the management of Bandana.

Martin

[Libby]

I assume Portugal would count as Other (worldwide), wouldn't it?

And for 2012 and 2011, I can't think of what the Other would be besides her US appearances, 1 in 2011 and 2 in 2012. So, what is the other one in 2011... oh, Malta? How about 2012? One would be Greece. So, what's the last one? Oh, Denmark! Yay, I answered all my own questions for me, thanks anyway! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

[Bamafan]

That happens when an artist stays under the radar for basically a year and a half.

I do wish that there was at least a little something on the calandar to look forward to, but there's probably a good reason. (Just getting this out of my head, organizing my thoughts. I don't want to sound argumentative )

[Start inner dialogue]
First,I think Hayley might be wanting a fresh start, and trying to give some time for her old "pure" image that has stuck with her for 11 years to fade a bit. If this is the case (which it might not be), I don't blame her a bit. It's time for some (even if gradual) change.

Second, from what Hayley has been tweeting lately, she's presumably focusing and putting all her creative effort into this next album (which has been in the making for at least 4 1/2 years, I might add). I'm looking forward to it immensely. :rollin

Third, she probably wants to slow things down a bit. If you think about it (and Hayley has said this herself), her career thus far has been quite a whirlwind. She probably wants a break from life on the road (or in the air, rather), have a home life, perhaps travel for leisure for once .

Any way it goes, something is eventually bound to happen. The album will be released, there will be concerts, interviews, etcetera, and all the trimmings. But for now, let's just take a deep breath and embrace the calm.
[End inner dialogue]

-Taylor

[Libby]

I don't know how many times we have to go through all this. It's not sad at all if you see all the reasons to stay positive. Hmm, the activity has certainly died down lately (seriously, what are we supposed to say?), but if you were on yesterday, you might have noticed some rather interesting photos posted by Hayley on Twitter. Actually, there have been some here and there for the past few months or so. There's really no reason to feel sad about Hayley right now (except maybe the fact she's recently lost her grandmother). How about eager and a maybe a little impatient for more official news of her new album (that she is so obviously working on seriously right now)? That's how I felt when I saw her photos yesterday. I realize it will take time, and I am willing to wait it out, because I feel sure it will be worth it.

Back to the main topic, I think I can sum up 2014 so far:

UK/Ire: 1
Far East: 3

[Bamafan]

Would that one private party in NZ count?

[martindn]

I agree with Libby. Something seems to be moving at last regarding the new album. It is not impossible that it could even be released this year is my thinking now, or perhaps early next year. Promotion will be an interesting problem, especially if it doesn't qualify for the classical charts. Looking at the way more and more artists are promoting their work through social media, I live in hope. I think id Rebecca Newman's new album is a success, it will show the world that it really can be done, even without the promotional muscle of a record label. And Hayley has a lot more followers on social media than Rebecca does.

[Libby]

Sept 18, 2014 11:24:24 GMT Bamafan said:

Would that one private party in NZ count?

I don't know. Did we count the Vietnam concert? I mean, just because the event is private, doesn't mean she didn't perform there. LOL

Hey, Larry, I guess you must have missed Bob's comment yesterday that "Excitement is brewing!" Oh yes, this forum is so quiet and sad right now, isn't it? Even the official forum is perking up a bit, as much as it can. I think the only one sad and gloomy right now is you, and those feelings are completely unfounded, imo. Give her a chance to get her album finished, it takes more than a couple days! A "real" album, that is. Also, we can't expect her to be on tour when she's busy with such things, can we? I certainly don't.

[Joe]

Sept 18, 2014 3:13:56 GMT tireman said:

It looks as though Hayley has cast her lot into the non English speaking world.

Hi Larry

Hayley has been working on new songs for about a near now...in and out of recording studios.  Very recently she lost her grandmother so I'm sure her mind was away from music for a time. 

Sept 18, 2014 3:13:56 GMT tireman said:

It also seems as though the participation on HWI is waning except for a few die hard fans. Sad thing.

 Participation on HWI forum is waining.  

...all forums are losing activity to Facebook.
...during the summer most folk are away travelling
....when Hayley is active, so is her forums.

I see a wide range of daily forum pageviews...this month is has ranged from 388 to 788 a day.  Back in February the range was 552 to 1007.
    
HOWEVER, HWI is seeing a popular rise in our Facebook page, on our YouTube channel, and on our Website.

Don't cast Hayley aside, Larry...escecially all those times that you've seen her in concert.

[Libby]

Sept 19, 2014 15:24:23 GMT tireman said:

Yes Joe after spending thousands of dollars to travel to see Hayley she left her faithful fans high and dry. Hell I spent over ten thousand dollars on concert tickets, flights and Hotels only to find the concerts cancelled with no explanation. I'm not fool enough to pursue her anymore. Good luck to her in Asia.

Well, if you're just going to be accusatory and rude, when you know very well that concert cancellations are NOT Hayley's fault, then yes, go ahead, stop pursuing Hayley. You're doing her no favors if all you're going to do is come here and make us all feel depressed for no reason. You obviously haven't read a word me and Joe wrote except for the concert part. The way you accuse Hayley takes away any sympathy I might have had for you due to your ruined concert. And for your information, English is spoken and understood ALL over the world. We in America are the ones who aren't taught languages until we're in high school, hardly any time to really learn it well enough to use it.

I'm sorry, moderators, but if he's going to come here and falsely and rudely accuse Hayley, then this is what will happen.

[Dave]

Hi Larry and Libby, you both have strong points of view and the concert cancellations were of course a big problem at the time, especially for Larry as I recall. But I'm sure it wasn't Hayley's doing (except for any genuine illness) but I'd rather not see the old debate about that re-hashed, thanks!

Cheers, Dave

[Libby]

There shouldn't even be a debate. There is no debate. Hayley is not at fault in any way. I'd like to know what Larry expects her to do for him. Since it wasn't her fault, she certainly has no reason to apologize. I'm sure she felt terribly sorry about it when it happened, and if she knew what unpleasant things he went through because of it, she would feel even more sorry. But there's no reason to act as if she had some hand in it, and we all know that Hayley herself has no choice in these matters (except when she was sick, and that too, was out of her control).

I'm also confused as to what Larry thinks Hayley should be doing right now, if he doesn't think recording music for her new album is good enough. We've all tried to reason with him about all this before, but it seems that it's done no good, seeing as he's at it again. Well, Larry, if your intentions were to get this forum going again, I guess you did it, but negativity is not what we want around here.

[martindn]

I remember that Hayley was devastated at the time she had to cancel those shows. Even when she was ill, she was clearly very unhappy to have to let people down. In fact I suspect that the Battle of Britain cancellations due to double booking were a factor in Hayley changing her management shortly afterwards. We know that Hayley hates to let her fans down, knowing that some have travelled long distances and incurred considerable expense to be there.
So I think it is very wrong and unfair to blame Hayley for it. She always tries her best to please her fans and audiences. I too have had concerts cancelled that I had tickets for, so have several others here,(yes, I know I didn't have quite the distance to travel you did Larry) but we don't go on about it or blame Hayley. It is unfortunate, but these things happen sometimes. It is a risk we all take when we buy tickets. But it is worth it to see such a wonderful singer perform.

Martin D

[Libby]

Sept 20, 2014 11:06:10 GMT martindn said:

I remember that Hayley was devastated at the time she had to cancel those shows. Even when she was ill, she was clearly very unhappy to have to let people down. In fact I suspect that the Battle of Britain cancellations due to double booking were a factor in Hayley changing her management shortly afterwards. We know that Hayley hates to let her fans down, knowing that some have travelled long distances and incurred considerable expense to be there.
So I think it is very wrong and unfair to blame Hayley for it. She always tries her best to please her fans and audiences. I too have had concerts cancelled that I had tickets for, so have several others here,(yes, I know I didn't have quite the distance to travel you did Larry) but we don't go on about it or blame Hayley. It is unfortunate, but these things happen sometimes. It is a risk we all take when we buy tickets. But it is worth it to see such a wonderful singer perform.

Martin D

And people wonder why I'm hesitant of going overseas to see her. Believe me, I would love to. But, I'd rather not have to. I would of course love to travel around the world, so I won't rule it out. But mostly it's just convenience that's the problem, more than money, or anything else. This kind of thing puts me off, too.

Larry, if you really do stop "pursuing" Hayley, you will be missing out, and retracting your former support of her as a US fan. It's really sad that you're allowing yourself to hold a grudge against Hayley for something she is not to blame for, and you know it. I think you know it without us constantly telling you otherwise, but you're letting your anger get the better of you, and in the process you're punishing Hayley for it.

[Libby]

There hasn't been any news of any concerts, or much of anything else, since her last concerts in Japan and Ireland. Ireland is not an eastern venue... though it is east of US. Hayley actually hadn't toured in Japan for years, so I think it was about time for that, so no reason to complain there. She hasn't been to Taiwan or China since last year. And since she is actually much more admired there than here, it is completely understandable why she would go there a lot. You can't fault her management or whoever for scheduling concerts where she's actually popular.

Anyway, as we've reiterated over and over, she's not going to tour with no new album. If she didn't tour with Hushabye, how's she going to tour with nothing? She's not at all idle just because she's not on tour constantly. She's very busy on her album at the moment, and I, for one, wouldn't want anything disrupting that if it doesn't have to. I wouldn't want her to be touring constantly again, otherwise, it might compromise her health again, as it did several years ago.

[Dave]

Sept 29, 2014 14:20:47 GMT tireman said:

Sept 19, 2014 23:14:23 GMT Dave said:

Hi Larry and Libby, you both have strong points of view and the concert cancellations were of course a big problem at the time, especially for Larry as I recall. But I'm sure it wasn't Hayley's doing (except for any genuine illness) but I'd rather not see the old debate about that re-hashed, thanks!

Cheers, Dave

Well what set me off was the constant news of Hayley in China and other far eastern venues and no western world appearances.

OK, no problem Larry, we just need to stick to discussions about Hayley's present, recent (this decade as per the opening post) or potential future concerts from now on, thanks.

I agree that last year was disappointing tour-wise for us Westerners but I guess, as Libby suggests, it's the job of management to send their artists where the money is.

Cheers, Dave