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Post by comet on Jul 22, 2015 10:59:57 GMT
Love the GNR Lulabye
I think a lot of Hayley fans are die hard metal fans in disguise.
Love this one
have it on 7 inch vinyl
some of our older members will recognise this song from Joan Baez
I had intended to do some work today, but YouTube is so much more fun.
Wow ! I lost touch with Ritchie's work after Rainbow slipped out of the charts,
This new material is really easy on the ear, smoke on the water it ain't
couldn't resist adding this one.
I am only barely resisting the urge to add a DEEP PURPLE thread to the other music board
Hi Alicia, If you have an hour to spare, Paste this into YouTube and sit back : Blackmore's Night Moments - Duisburg 2015
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Post by Libby on Jul 23, 2015 4:45:00 GMT
Alicia,
You're right, and I thought I did mention above, that I do understand her being impatient. I, too, am a bit impatient myself, and who isn't, with all this lack of hints about anything for so long. Tweets have been very few and far between since her "making music for you" tweet back in April, and what little she has posted hasn't been extremely informative... just something about the loud tiger lady, the Polar Music Prize, and commuting. That's pretty much it.
However, this lady is checking back every 2 years, and acting as if Hayley hasn't done anything since then. She implies that Hayley has not had an album or concert since Jan. 2013 (her first post). So, either she is not aware of Hushabye, or doesn't count it as an album (couldn't really blame her there, but I don't think that's the case). If this lady was so adamant about an album and tour, why didn't she go to London for the Union Chapel concert. Okay, maybe she doesn't live very close to London. But she didn't even mention it, making it seem as though, in her book, nothing has happened at all since her last post, when something has! Granted, not much, but it was still something! Also, those of us in the US should not feel any sympathy for UK fans, because until last year, I don't think the UK had gone a single year without having at least 1 Hayley concert. Her last tour was in 2012, which means when this lady first started complaining, it hadn't even been a year since Hayley's last tour in the UK! THIS is what I find so irritating about her complaints.
So while I understand impatience waiting for this new album, she's almost accusing Hayley of doing absolutely nothing between now and Jan. 2013. And essentially accusing us here of talking about other artists more than Hayley, when that is certainly not the case. Now do you see how annoying it is?
Hey, don't worry about nonsense chatter. That's pretty much what I do on this forum all the time. LOL
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Post by Richard on Jul 23, 2015 7:22:32 GMT
Uhh...is this HWI's Facebook page? Hello Alicia!  I changed the profile picture on my own Facebook account yesterday, but I also changed the profile and cover pictures on the HWI Facebook page a few months ago: www.facebook.com/Hayley.Westenra.InternationalYou can access the HWI page very easily by clicking on the scrolling Facebook banner at the top of the forum.  Richard  |
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Post by martindn on Jul 23, 2015 10:52:03 GMT
Well, it is easy to understand the complaint, Hayley has never been the most forthcoming of artists. She doesn't say very much on social media. In fact if you are used to some of the others I follow who average up to half a dozen posts a day on social media, as well as responding to comments, you might well wonder if Hayley has disappeared off the planet.
Today is eleven and a half hours old and on Twitter alone I have already heard from Siobhan Owen, Camilla Kerslake, Faryl Smith and Annelies, some of whom are less active in their music careers than Hayley. I'm sure if I looked at Facebook I would find several more. The reason why there are so many posts about other artists on HWI is exactly that, those artists keep us informed. You get something from the likes of Classical Reflection, Rebecca Newman, Mary-Jess, Scarlett Quigley pretty much every day, often several items a day. When they have something to promote you might see a tweet from them every hour....
Hayley with a couple of tweets a month if you are lucky doesn't come close.
So in a way I can understand your complainer. You wouldn't know about what Hayley is up to if you didn't make the effort to find out. Even her recent concerts have not been advertised very widely, but even so she still sells out when she does do a concert. I doubt you would have known about the Union Chapel for example if you didn't follow Hayley on Twitter or frequent the forums.
So Libby, your annoyance is simply I think that your complainer is claiming to be a fan of Hayley, yet doesn't take the trouble to find out what is going on. That is up to her, but she has no right to assume Hayley is doing nothing just because she can't be bothered to look at the forums. I know the moderators and regular members of all the forums do a lot with not much information, but you can't know what that is if you only look once every 2 years!
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Post by comet on Jul 23, 2015 11:57:09 GMT
I know the moderators and regular members of all the forums do a lot with not much information. Martin D Then we play join the dots with that information until we get the picture we want to see  |
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Post by Dave on Jul 23, 2015 14:26:06 GMT
I came here to complain about a complainer on the official forum. I can't complain there because I'm a moderator, so I came here to complain. LOL  Seriously though, well done with your explanation of the true situation to the grumbler. It is of course a bit frustrating to us all, the lack of direct information recently, but that doesn't mean there's been no information at all, far from it thanks to all you regulars who manage to find whatever's out there. Excellent work!  Cheers, Dave |
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Post by comet on Jul 23, 2015 15:31:59 GMT
either she is not aware of Hushabye, or doesn't count it as an album (couldn't really blame her there, but I don't think that's the case). Oi !  I saw that neat little edit. Wabbit stew is wot you'll get, you slag my fave awlbum. Where's my shotgun ? |
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Post by Libby on Jul 24, 2015 4:22:37 GMT
I came here to complain about a complainer on the official forum. I can't complain there because I'm a moderator, so I came here to complain. LOL Seriously though, well done with your explanation of the true situation to the grumbler. It is of course a bit frustrating to us all, the lack of direct information recently, but that doesn't mean there's been no information at all, far from it thanks to all you regulars who manage to find whatever's out there. Excellent work! Cheers, Dave Yes, excellent work that took up way too much of my time. LOL She hasn't made any response yet. I did tell her that I feel sure something will be announced or revealed soon. I still do, although now I'm beginning to succumb to the notion that the album will indeed be out next year, because everything is just taking way too long. It's almost August, and not a peep. Tweets, yes, but no peeps. i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif As in, we haven't had a peep into what the album will be like, what it looks like, etc. It might not look like anything yet (as far as the album cover; unless she's done a photo shoot without telling us, but I doubt that). Comet, don't even pretend to express desire to harm an animal over something so trivial.  |
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Post by Jillian on Jul 27, 2015 13:40:29 GMT
Well, it is easy to understand the complaint, Hayley has never been the most forthcoming of artists. She doesn't say very much on social media. In fact if you are used to some of the others I follow who average up to half a dozen posts a day on social media, as well as responding to comments, you might well wonder if Hayley has disappeared off the planet. Today is eleven and a half hours old and on Twitter alone I have already heard from Siobhan Owen, Camilla Kerslake, Faryl Smith and Annelies, some of whom are less active in their music careers than Hayley. I'm sure if I looked at Facebook I would find several more. The reason why there are so many posts about other artists on HWI is exactly that, those artists keep us informed. You get something from the likes of Classical Reflection, Rebecca Newman, Mary-Jess, Scarlett Quigley pretty much every day, often several items a day. When they have something to promote you might see a tweet from them every hour.... Hayley with a couple of tweets a month if you are lucky doesn't come close. So in a way I can understand your complainer. You wouldn't know about what Hayley is up to if you didn't make the effort to find out. Even her recent concerts have not been advertised very widely, but even so she still sells out when she does do a concert. I doubt you would have known about the Union Chapel for example if you didn't follow Hayley on Twitter or frequent the forums. So Libby, your annoyance is simply I think that your complainer is claiming to be a fan of Hayley, yet doesn't take the trouble to find out what is going on. That is up to her, but she has no right to assume Hayley is doing nothing just because she can't be bothered to look at the forums. I know the moderators and regular members of all the forums do a lot with not much information, but you can't know what that is if you only look once every 2 years! Martin D Hi Martin D I would like to believe that there is some kind of 'design' or 'plan' surrounding this overall silence -- for example a change of direction further down the track which will be assisted by Hayley stepping away from public view so as to create a blank canvas. At least that's what I'd like to think. The classical crossover genre is becoming more and more niche as the years pass and with a fan base which is spread thinly around the world in a such a way that it is basically prohibitively expensive for a record company to reach them with traditional advertising and TV and radio appearances. However effective social media marketing by artists can reach all over the globe instantly. I think I'm aware of what many of these artists are doing without even looking for it -- I just come across it as I scroll through my twitter/instagram. The social media is also really quite effective as it helps an artist create a personal connection with their fans. I guess I'm just worried that if Hayley spends too much more time out of public life her fan base might forget her (but hey, maybe she is actually hoping people will forget 'the Old Hayley?' so she can unveil a new one? *wishful thinking*) It just kind of disappoints me a bit that such a remarkable voice like Hayley's isn't being put out there more these days and everything seems to be dwindling so much. I can't really blame Decca because the ability to be heard and seen is really a click away on social media, so obviously it's Hayley's choice to some degee. I'd just be really quite disappointed if it's the case that Hayley is deliberately scaling back her music career. I know it's Hayley's life for her to live, but I'd really like to her front and centre stage again. It just slightly gives me the shivers when a classical crossover artist drops out of public view like this. So many of them have fallen off the face of the planet in the last few years. I've taken to occasionally checking to see whether Hayley's Universal Music website is still live so I can reassure myself that she still has a record deal. |
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Post by martindn on Jul 27, 2015 21:55:44 GMT
To be honest though there are others who don't say much. Sarah Brightman for example doesn't tweet that often, and when she has done so recently it has usually been about her space flight, which seems to be on hold right now. And you might think that Hayley deserves some time for herself, after years of working hard at her career.
I too would like to hear more of Hayley, as we all would. We love her because she is unique, and in my opinion the finest singer I have ever heard. And I love her positivity too, and the inspirational nature of so many of the songs she sings. In my opinion there is no one else like her. So I am keen to hear her do her own thing. Whenever she has done that in the past, the result has been wonderful. So much has happened in her life since the last time, there are bound to be new experiences and ideas that will influence and add to her music.
I don't think Hayley is dropping out though, she is known to be making a new album after all. What it will be like we have no idea. Except that Hayley is Hayley, and I'm sure that there will be a lot of her input into it. That makes me think I will love it.
We can only wait and see. A lot of artists slow down after a few years, even Katherine Jenkins doesn't seem to be doing much these days (but did I hear she is pregnant?). So don't despair Jillian, I'm sure that she is simply slowing down a bit.
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Post by Libby on Jul 27, 2015 23:15:34 GMT
Well, it is easy to understand the complaint, Hayley has never been the most forthcoming of artists. She doesn't say very much on social media. In fact if you are used to some of the others I follow who average up to half a dozen posts a day on social media, as well as responding to comments, you might well wonder if Hayley has disappeared off the planet. So Libby, your annoyance is simply I think that your complainer is claiming to be a fan of Hayley, yet doesn't take the trouble to find out what is going on. That is up to her, but she has no right to assume Hayley is doing nothing just because she can't be bothered to look at the forums. I know the moderators and regular members of all the forums do a lot with not much information, but you can't know what that is if you only look once every 2 years! Martin D Martin, I can't believe I missed this post of yours, because I think you nailed it perfectly in your last paragraph, and also in your last post just above. Jillian, do you remember this?  Making music for you  ? Yes, she hasn't tweeted much ever since then, but it seems like before that she was tweeting more. Actually, looking back on April and March, she was tweeting a LOT. So, it's only been in the last 3 months or so that her tweets have tapered off. True, in the social media world, that's a long time without tweets. But in the "normal" world, it's not that much. Hayley is not scaling back on her music career! I would dare to say it's quite the opposite! What has she done besides work on her album this year?? Oh yes, the Cricket WC, the Italia thing, the Polar Music Prize, and now some down time with her sister and cousins (and the rest of her family earlier this year). But other than that, I wouldn't doubt that nearly every day she has most likely been working hard on her album. I have a feeling right after this photo is when everything got the busiest. She doesn't have to tell us about her more mundane activities everyday, but does it really tell us anything about her career if she does? What I think is that she doesn't think her everyday stuff is exciting enough to post about all the time. But occasionally she does, like her washer woman tweet. Jillian, I honestly don't think her silence is symbolic in any way. I just think she's trying to torture us. Just kidding.  No, really, maybe she's just waiting till she has something truly newsworthy to tell us... when she's at liberty to do so. That way it'll be that much more exciting for us? Oh, I don't know. I don't think we'll ever know short of asking her, but of course she'll never answer, because she doesn't respond to anyone anymore.  Just think of it this way. Before twitter, we were lucky if we got a little message on Facebook! I do remember getting impatient for those posts, but I didn't expect them nearly as often as we hope for a tweet. And, if you think about it, most of her tweets don't actually tell us much of anything. I mean, I'm glad she finally tweeted yesterday, but showing us cups of coffee tells us nothing. |
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Post by Jeff on Jul 28, 2015 10:54:34 GMT
Well, it is easy to understand the complaint, Hayley has never been the most forthcoming of artists. She doesn't say very much on social media. In fact if you are used to some of the others I follow who average up to half a dozen posts a day on social media, as well as responding to comments, you might well wonder if Hayley has disappeared off the planet. Today is eleven and a half hours old and on Twitter alone I have already heard from Siobhan Owen, Camilla Kerslake, Faryl Smith and Annelies, some of whom are less active in their music careers than Hayley. I'm sure if I looked at Facebook I would find several more. The reason why there are so many posts about other artists on HWI is exactly that, those artists keep us informed. You get something from the likes of Classical Reflection, Rebecca Newman, Mary-Jess, Scarlett Quigley pretty much every day, often several items a day. When they have something to promote you might see a tweet from them every hour.... Hayley with a couple of tweets a month if you are lucky doesn't come close. So in a way I can understand your complainer. You wouldn't know about what Hayley is up to if you didn't make the effort to find out. Even her recent concerts have not been advertised very widely, but even so she still sells out when she does do a concert. I doubt you would have known about the Union Chapel for example if you didn't follow Hayley on Twitter or frequent the forums. So Libby, your annoyance is simply I think that your complainer is claiming to be a fan of Hayley, yet doesn't take the trouble to find out what is going on. That is up to her, but she has no right to assume Hayley is doing nothing just because she can't be bothered to look at the forums. I know the moderators and regular members of all the forums do a lot with not much information, but you can't know what that is if you only look once every 2 years! Martin D Excellent point, Martin. The more singers I meet, the more I realise just what an introvert Hayley is, not in a bad way but you always feel she is keeping something back for herself. Hence we see enigmatic tweets which some fans take great delight in trying to decipher. There is no heart worn on the sleeve with Hayley, no photos of herself in the bath or jacuzzi like you get with some singers. It's probably true to say we want more for her than she wants for herself. She seems content to be almost a niche artist, making a couple of albums in a decade and doing a gig once in a while. It is probably fair to say many of the general public will have forgotten who she is by the time her next album comes out ! (A fair bit of PR will be required having been so quiet for so long!). I don't think she ever wanted to be a household name or mega rich. She could well be wealthy enough to retire now if she wanted. Some people may think she already has ! So it's hardly surprising that some of us have been showing an interest in other singers, mainly because they show an interest in us ! Sending a tweet to Hayley is a bit like putting a message in a bottle and casting it into the ocean: you hope against hope you might get a reply but know in your heart you won't. She'll do what she wants to do when she wants to do it and maybe doesn't value others' opinion on the matter half as much as some fans on this forum may like to imagine. After all it's quite a sobering thought that it's been 9 years since she posted anything here !  |
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Post by Libby on Jul 29, 2015 6:29:44 GMT
Jeff, I really don't agree with most of what you say. In Madison when fans expressed the desire for a new album, she, too, expressed the same desire for the new album to come about (and it's safe to say she was already working on it quite a bit before that). So saying she'd be content to make 2 albums in a decade does not seem accurate at all! She is a singer, and so singing and music is what she does! Yes, she has a personal life as well, which for the most part she keeps private, but that does not mean she's anywhere near retiring. You may be right, however, about the not being worried about being extremely wealthy or more famous than she is now...
Speaking of which, if you think everyone (except us) has forgotten Hayley, might I remind you of all her followers on twitter? Of the daily tweets of fans listening to her music/watching her videos (I browse through them nearly everyday)? And all the fans on twitter, FB, instagram, etc., who comment on her posts? True, she no longer responds to tweets, but she did used to once in a while. And you say other people reply to us, but Hayley does not? I think in the past the person who's replied to me the most on twitter is probably Hayley! I did once tweet to Josh Groban and get a response, but it wasn't exactly directed just at me, but to all his followers (long story). It's probably been a couple of years since Hayley replied to me, though. Oh, and also, she favorited one of my tweets last year. She also posted the video of the young lady, Saskia, singing her unique cover of Summer Rain, only because I had directed the tweet at her. She didn't acknowledge me, but it certainly was no coincidence that she posted it on her own page the very next day. Doesn't value the opinions of others, you say? You make her sound so callous. When all her fans in Madison met her at the concert, she was so sweet, and you could tell she most definitely values her fans and yes, oh my goodness, even our opinions! I think Frenchie, Bill, Susan, Pete, Nhat, etc. would dispute your claim that we are imagining such a thing. I may have only met her once, but I've followed her career long and obsessively enough to be able to fairly accurately judge her character (to an extent).
Jeff, when was the last time you met her? Did she seem like she didn't care about what you thought of her?
She simply doesn't take the time to answer everybody, because there are way too many people replying and tweeting at her every day (despite the fact that supposedly nobody remembers who she is! Go figure). And we've thought of this before, but she may have stopped replying to us because she realized that everybody's hoping to get a reply, and she can't please everyone; all her other fans will feel left out. This way, everybody's in the same boat. Even if she isn't tweeting that much, she's still online, still paying attention. We just can't always tell. Sometimes we can tell by a new avatar, or if she follows someone new (she did several days ago, even though she went all the way from July 14 to the 26th without saying anything).
Thank goodness Hayley doesn't post ridiculous photos like the ones you describe! Is that what the seductive Lucy Kay does? Well, whoopdee-doo! Hayley's a far better singer than her, and she'll never be that kind of celebrity. That's one thing that drew me to her at first, because she was a breath of fresh air after Charlotte went the way she did. And Hayley's posts, despite being few and far between these days, are much better than most because they are thoughtful and clever, not just a selfie of herself supposedly doing something or being somewhere in particular, but not really seeing anything other than their face. Classical Reflection post cute selfies of themselves quite a bit, but they all are practically the same (in more ways than one)! True, at least they communicate with their fans more regularly.
Oh, just to let you know, it's been only less than 8 years since Hayley's last post on the official forum... but, then, I'm not sure you'd be able to find that anymore since it was on the old forum. Oh yes, and once she did participate in the Hayley chat, except when it was the old chat room, by Belinda, I think. But... what does that have to do with anything?
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Post by Jeff on Jul 29, 2015 8:52:10 GMT
No Libby of course I don't think Hayley is callous ! I just think other singers use social media a lot better to involve their fans in choosing material for their next album, like Rebecca Newman does for example. I do think it is futile to speculate what might be on Hayley's next album, although you could argue most of this thread is speculation ! She may well surprise us all. After all, who would have guessed that after "Paradiso" we'd get "Hushabye" ? Not me for sure ! I was convinced the next album would be in the same vein, i.e. orchestral songs based on movie or classical tunes rather than lullabies ! We may yet again get something we were not expecting, especially when (as others have said) she may have reinvented herself. The title of this thread may have to be changed though. It's looking more and more as if Hayley's next album will be out in 2016 rather than 2015 ! |
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Post by martindn on Jul 29, 2015 11:50:13 GMT
I woulnd't be so sure Jeff, things can happen very quickly once the decision is taken to release. I seem to recall, correct me if I'm wrong, that we only had a few weeks warning of Hushabye for example. And perhaps longer ago, My Gift to You was famously created and marketed very quickly over in NZ. And with Hayleys penchant for keeping things close to her chest, a lot can be going on in the background we know nothing about.
Of course the other point about artists like Rebecca Newman and Classical Reflection, who use the social media so effectively is that they are all up and coming artists, working to grow their fanbase, and to make themselves better known. Hayley is not in that category - she is an established artist who takes things much slower. The same is true as I mentioned, of people like KJ and Sarah Brightman who are also pretty quiet except when they have something new to promote. Hayley is by no means unique in that respect.
I suspect all of these, Hayley included, take time out to enjoy life after several years of intensive work to get established. I suspect that they are no longer under pressure to make quick money, so they can take things easier and spend more time perfecting their new material.
But perhaps a bigger question is how the new album will be promoted. Will there be a big splash, a relaunch, as there was with Pure? Or will it all be low key, as it has been with her other recent? releases? Will the album qualify for the classical chart? If not will it be aimed at light music stations like BBC Radio 2?
As for Hayley herself, she has always had her head screwed on. She is an intelligent lady, who has always known where she wanted to go and what she wanted to do. I'm sure that has not changed. That she is not hugely attracted by fame and fortune has always been the case. But she does but effort into pleasing her fans and fulfilling their expectations, and she does enjoy making music. I suspect these days that is more important to her.
John Lennon's song "Watching the Wheels" comes to mind.....
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