Hayley on Premier TV

[petertong]

Hi Eric,

I have no doubts at all that she is... although it seems to me that she is the type that values/enjoys walking it out in actions instead of communicating it so much in words (unless she is asked). Wise! Or perhaps its some English/NZ reserve at work

One thing I really enjoy when watching these interviews... you can tell there is a very fine and logical mind behind all of her responses. She also always accentuates the positive!

Peter

[Stephany]

martin said:

The interviewer dropped a huge clanger however with her woeful pronunciation of "Shenandoah".

Oh yes, that was too funny! But that raised a question in my mind, because the last "a" is clearly audible when you pronounce "Shenendoah" alone, but in Hayley's song, you can hear only "Shenendo"...or is it just me?!

Stephany
PS : Peter, many congratulations for you 100th post and for becoming a "full member"! i.postimg.cc/9fYxy370/smilie-big-grin.gif

[grant]

petertong said:

Hi Eric,

I have no doubts at all that she is... although it seems to me that she is the type that values/enjoys walking it out in actions instead of communicating it so much in words (unless she is asked). Wise! Or perhaps its some English/NZ reserve at work

I totally agree with you and think you have hit the nail on the head when it comes to Christian beliefs. Certainly in England, talking about religion can be a 'turn off' as much as it can be an 'inspiration'.

My initial reaction to that part of the interview was one of sadness, because it appeared Hayley did not want to get too drawn about her Christian beliefs. However, if you think about it, Hayley draws her audience/fanbase from a very diverse range of people from many different religious backgrounds.

It is likely therefore, that she tries to appear neutral. As you say Peter, Hayley thinks very carefully about her answers.

Best wishes
Grant

[postscript]

grant said:

petertong said:

Hi Eric,

I have no doubts at all that she is... although it seems to me that she is the type that values/enjoys walking it out in actions instead of communicating it so much in words (unless she is asked). Wise! Or perhaps its some English/NZ reserve at work

...My initial reaction to that part of the interview was one of sadness, because it appeared Hayley did not want to get too drawn about her Christian beliefs. However, if you think about it, Hayley draws her audience/fanbase from a very diverse range of people from many different religious backgrounds....

Now I'm going completely off topic, but here's another question I would like to ask Hayley:-

"Would you like to go to church in the morning" (after a Saturday evening concert)

Best wishes
Grant

I think you are quite correct Grant in Hayley wishing to keep the private person private away from the public gaze, which is the more positive way I would have expressed the subject you touch upon. I suggest there could be multiple reasons for this:

• private is private and good manners do not thrust one's views--although there are many religious people who seem anxious to turn the whole world off religion by doing just that, thrusting or proclaiming where they stand regardless of the sensitivities of those around them or the effect they have on others. Let us remember CC went through a period proclaiming her Catholicism and then behaved in almost every way as to effectively denounce her beliefs through her actions/attitude.
  
• Were Hayley's beliefs Christian-orientated (I deliberately choose not to make assumptions) her musical interests immediately place her in an area of conflict/contradiction. She is fascinated by her Irish/Celtic roots. That brings her immediately into Catholic country and it is noticeable (so far) how she is Eire-orientated rather than visiting Northern Ireland. Were she to hold Protestant leanings, it is not sensible for her to make that obvious.
  
• The same applies to the UK. She is fascinated by our churches and cathedrals. She loves them for their history and their acoustics. I do not recollect she has ever performed in a Catholic church (perhaps purely for the acoustic options are fewer) but all Anglican churches are of course originally Catholic in their construction, simply denuded of Catholic influence by the Reformation. Were she Catholic-orientated, it is not appropriate for her to thrust her Catholicism.
  
• In America, let me just look at Boston. Despite the fact that Stormont is back in business, the history of Northern Ireland for the last hundred years will require at least that time again to mellow. Boston was a centre for much fund-raising for the IRA. As I have said elsewhere, there is much division there under the surface. She needs to tread with sensitivity
  

The extent to which Hayley is aware of these conflicts is difficult to say. Her journey throughout is all to do with her music, its history and development. It is all to do with spreading understanding and appreciation of music across as wide an audience as she can--hence her understanding of the therapeutic value of music.

There is also another factor. May be her religion runs a parallel to her diet? As with her diet where she has been brought up with one set of values she now appears to be formulating her own. May be she has been brought up with one set of religious values and is examining where she herself actually stands?

A good way to conclude this monologue would therefore be to quote Ecclesiastes 3:1-8. Before I do, it is my view that too much religion contains too little spirituality. Give me spiritual values in preference to dogmatic ritual. This is a spiritual girl finding her own way. She will reveal in her time when it is right to do so. Hence my closing reference to Ecclesiastes 3:1-8.

To every thing there is a season
And a time to every purpose under the heaven
A time to be born, and a time to die
A time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted
A time to kill, and a time to heal
A time to break down, and a time to build up
A time to weep, and a time to laugh
A time to mourn, and a time to dance
A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together
A time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing
A time to get, and a time to lose
A time to keep, and a time to cast away
A time to reap, and a time to sow
A time to keep silent, and a time to speak
A time to love, and a time to hate ~
A time of war, and a time of peace.

Addendum: Your last point I quoted was about her wish to go to church in the morning following a concert. I think that invades the private world and is too personal a question for anyone privileged to be close enough to her to have her time to ask questions.

Again, as a personal view, one of the many failings of religiosity is the preoccupation that a specific place is required to commune with one's concept of God. I generally find myself closer and more regularly in contact with my concept of God walking Ashridge, my eyes taking in the vista and my other senses appreciating the gentle breeze upon my cheek; the scent of the gorse in the heat of the sun, or of the pines, the murmur of innumerable insects in the world around me and the sigh of branches swaying gently, than I am in any church.

Peter S.

[grant]

Thank you Peter for such an eloquent take on a delicate subject. I don't think (for me anyway) any more needs to be said on the matter, other than this:

[I was not aware that I knew the quote from Ecclesiastes. Of course, I and many others, will recognise it as being the words of "Turn, Turn, Turn" by the Byrds.

Best wishes
Grant

[Richard]

Hello everybody.

A respectful word of caution...

Please remember that Hayley's religious beliefs are private and should not be discussed on a public forum, except for matters that she chooses to make public in her interviews.

Many thanks,

Richard

[milewalker]

Let us remember CC went through a period proclaiming her Catholicism and then behaved in almost every way as to effectively denounce her beliefs through her actions/attitude.

Peter S.

Just one quibble in an otherwise outstanding post Peter. I was not aware that CC ever "proclaimed" her Catholicism in the way you are suggesting here. What she would usually say is something like "My whole family is Catholic" which to me seems to be a deflection of the issue somewhat similar to what Hayley did with "Christian music" in this interview.

I agree however that for whatever reason, Hayley said just enough to satisty the interviewer without really saying anything at all.

Jon

[Dave]

Well said, Richard ( ).

I hope everyone (you know who you are ) has got the message.

Cheers, Dave

[milewalker]

stephany said:

martin said:

The interviewer dropped a huge clanger however with her woeful pronunciation of "Shenandoah".

Oh yes, that was too funny! But that raised a question in my mind, because the last "a" is clearly audible when you pronounce "Shenendoah" alone, but in Hayley's song, you can hear only "Shenendo"...or is it just me?!

Stephany

Hi Stephany

There are a number of words in the US which are actually pronouced different regionally - in the state of Missouri for example, you can tell where within the state a person grew up by the way they pronouce the word "Missouri" . I have heard "Shenendoah" pronounced three ways - Shen-an-doe-ah, Shen-an-doe, and Shen-an-doe-uh. The latter pronunciation is probably the most common one, but a lot of people do pronouce it differently here. (There is a street in St Louis by the name, so we tend to hear the word more often than most I suspect).

Jon

[postscript]

milewalker said:

Just one quibble in an otherwise outstanding post Peter. ...
I agree however that for whatever reason, Hayley said just enough to satisty the interviewer without really saying anything at all.
Jon

Thank you for your compliment Jon (Milewalker). In your concluding point you hit the nail firmly on the head--she has complete mastery of the interviewing technique.

Peter S.

[postscript]

grant said:

Thank you Peter for such an eloquent take on a delicate subject. I don't think (for me anyway) any more needs to be said on the matter, other than this:

• I was not aware that I knew the quote from Ecclesiastes. Of course, I and many others, will recognise it as being the words of "Turn, Turn, Turn" by the Byrds.
  

Best wishes
Grant

Hi Grant. Thank you for reassuring me I was sufficiently delicate in my interfering with a personal view that a point was accepted without causing umbrage. As Richard has said in a later post--and it was really for a moderator to say so specifically rather than just another member, which is why I didn't state such specifically, we really should keep off the subject of Hayley's private life generally but specifically matters of religion.

I find your reference to The Byrds and 'Turn. Turn, Turn' interesting.Your quotation threw me totally. I referred to Cruden to check I had quoted correctly as that is one of my favourite quotations and one of the few passages of 'The Bible' I can quote from heart, so I didn't check it before posting.

Peter S.

[Dori]

It still doesn't work for me, any way we can retrieve it and put it on the HWI video menu???
Dori

[Dave]

Hello Dori and everyone,

I have not yet fathomed out how to save the interview video stream, they are using some clever techniques to prevent this. But I am making progress, I now have the Shenandoah clip saved (but we've seen that promo video elsewhere) and I have the interview audio recorded so I will make that available in a day or two's time.

But I haven't yet given up on the interview video so watch this space

Cheers, Dave

[graemek]

Dave I'm amazed.

I have you on the 'he knows everything there is to know about video clips & editing' pedestal & you're stumped.

I have a very sketchy knowledge myself and don't deserve Stephany's lumping me together with you for video capture ability.

I'm more in the "haven't got a clue" stage & am not progressing very fast at all.
Graeme
PS I just downloaded the latest mozilla browser & am happy to say that our controversial little interview played perfectly full screen.
ATTENTION DORI

[Dori]

But how do you downlaod it in Mozilla Browser??
Dori