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Post by gra7890 on Jan 11, 2008 19:40:49 GMT
Dave I did as you suggested and hope this is not another 'steal' from HWI. Just on YOUTUBE from 'My Gift To You ' , Hayley singing Somewhere over the Rainbow. The video is of beautiful castles and rainbows, if you want to see it...... Somewhere over the RainbowI enjoyed it, mind you I do like castles and it is Hayley !!! Graham |
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Post by roger on Jan 11, 2008 20:42:58 GMT
Hi Graham, No, that one hasn't been stolen from HWI. However, as you say, it is the version from MGTY which means the soundtrack has been stolen from Universal Music.  Roger |
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Post by gra7890 on Jan 11, 2008 20:51:36 GMT
Oh Dear Roger, I can't seem to get any link to YOUTUBE right. However this means most of YOUTUBE is 'stolen' from somewhere !!  Graham |
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Post by roger on Jan 11, 2008 21:13:16 GMT
Hi Graham, It is highly likely that most video posted to YouTube (of commercial artists anyway) is subject to copyright and even more likely that no concent has been given to use it. Don't worry though, you have done nothing wrong.  Roger |
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Post by milewalker on Jan 11, 2008 22:05:58 GMT
Hi Graham and Roger,
As a YouTube junkie, I can affirm that most of the content there is technically in violation of copyright in some way. There seems to be a considerable difference of opinion on the part of the artists and producers involved as to just how seriously to take this - in many cases it is tolerated I think because the additional exposure may help a borderline or emerging artist more than it hurts them.
In Hayley's case, the powers that be are either singularly inattentive, or dont think it is that big a deal. I am reaching this conclusion predicated on the fact that a number of entire songs from her first two albums have been on there for quite a long time. I am somewhat surprised that Celtic Woman also apparantly is willing to tolerate it - more than half of the Slane Castle DVD is on there.
Personally, I have somewhat mixed feelings about it myself. I can certainly understand the proprietary concerns but at the same time, a lot of us got our first exposure to Hayley through such "illegal" sharing.
Jon
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Post by martindn on Jan 11, 2008 23:15:50 GMT
There is a lot of stuff on YouTube though that is not commercially available, although it may be subject to copyright. I would never have seen this one, or many others otherwise. I have enjoyed a lot of videos from that source, including many of Hayley, that I would not otherwise have seen or known of the existence of.
I would suggest that the presence of such things might well encourage people to buy the CDs and DVDs. I had for example seen many of the CW Slane Castle songs on YouTube, and it was that that persuaded me to buy the DVD, although I already had the "A New Journey" CD (incidentally, both are gorgeous).
Those who see Hayley and like what they see through YouTube are likely to buy her records and attend her concerts, so I think it is generally a good thing. Strictly illegal yes, but good publicity.
Martin
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Post by milewalker on Jan 12, 2008 2:40:09 GMT
Hi Martin
Very good points - I might add that You Tube can also provide international exposure to local artists who wouldnt get it otherwise - as well as some truly charming rare material from more famous people. There is, for example, an early John Denver video of a song called "Amsterdam" - a wicked little song much more intense that what he normally would be associated with. I do recall it being on one of his first couple of releases - I loaned it out some years ago and tragically never got it back. I had completely forgotten about the song until I ran across it on You Tube.
And there are others like Becky Taylor who would get no exposure at all if not for You Tube.
There are easily a dozen cases similar to what you describe in my record collection - artists I only became aware of through a technically illegal file swap of some kind. It is very hard to buy the work of an artist when you dont know they exist.
Jon
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Post by roger on Jan 12, 2008 5:07:32 GMT
Hi Martin and Jon, I totally agree that You Tube can be an excellent promotional vehicle for aspiring and established artists but it could do likewise by using short clips without breaking any copyright law. Btw, 'Amsterdam' was from the album entitled 'Take Me To Tomorrow' released in 1972. Roger |
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Post by milewalker on Jan 12, 2008 19:01:51 GMT
Hi Roger,
The very best (and therefore most impressive) work of an artist usually involves a song which displays a very wide range - or different vocal abilities in different parts of the song.
The only problem I have with short clips is that there are times when no sample can have the same impact as the entire song. Becky Taylor's "Once Upon a December" comes to mind. The song essentially has three parts, with the middle third displaying an entirely different ability than the first and last parts. All parts of the song certainly suggest she can sing, but none of those parts in isolation are anything like as impressive as the fact that the same singer can accomplish both of those things in one song. Many songs are like that. A similar case might be the perforance by Hayley of "Love Changes Everything", where sampling the beginning of the song gives no sense of the range she can cover.
Jon
Btw - thank you for providing the name of the album. At one point I had a pretty solid collection of JD (though I suspect it never rivalled yours) - but a few tapes here and there have oddly disappeared over the ages. I think I do probably still have 20 titles in one media or another......
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Post by roger on Jan 12, 2008 20:36:59 GMT
I absolutely agree with you, Jon. Very rarely, IMO, does a short clip include the part which would pursuade me to buy an album. In one case (I don't recall what it was) a 30-second clip included 26 seconds of the instrumental intro.  Roger Btw, I have 23 original albums (20 vinyl and 3 audio cassettes) and a few compilation CDs. JD has often been mentioned on this forum. Maybe one day we'll get round to starting a new thread! |
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Post by martindn on Jan 12, 2008 21:36:31 GMT
Jon and Roger,
Yes, I agree too. I find that the sort of short clips that Amazon, for example, use are not very useful. From time to time I have perhaps heard of or remembered an artist that I would like to buy recordings of. Where there are several recordings which should I buy? The short clips are not very helpful, longer videos on YouTube etc,. are much better. Websites like "Rate Your Music" can help as well, but I somtimes find that my opinions are different from the "consensus", so there are no guarantees that I will like an artist's highest rated album on such a site.
This will be my 100th post. I wonder if my membership status will change!
Wow, it has done! Isn't technology wonderful?
Martin
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